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Yes it does PISS me off, but I can not really do anything about it.

It pisses me off that someone can get a large tax payment, more than they even paid in taxes in the first place for things they "want", while we, as the people that make too much, still must pay for the rest of their needs.

It pisses me off that a person that doesn't  work can have basically the same exact things that my husband and I work hard to have.

It pisses me off that people that receive assistance (other than those disabled) are not required to work full time and continue doing so for many, many years.

I am really not against those that need assistance, just those that are not trying to better their situation. It really upsets me to see when someone is a SAHM, there husband only works 20-30 hours a week, and they get everything paid for then get to take that same vacation my husband and I take on their tax money. I am not saying that people on assistance deserve zero fun but the MAJORITY of that money they get back should be used for things they need or saved for a time they will need something. Sorry for this rant.

by on Dec. 8, 2012 at 9:44 PM
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sucker4myloves
by on Dec. 9, 2012 at 8:25 AM

I don't care what you pay or who you pay for--you don't pay for me or mine, and never have. Do your math again, I was making slightly above minimum wage at that time, 5.65, and they didn't have to pay me overtime because of a loophole. I was required by law to sleep at least two hours in between sixteen hour shifts, and they had employee cots set up exactly for that on premises. Unfortunately, when you sleep at a job, that gives them a certain right now to pay you overtime. Nobody there got overtime because they set up rooms with cots. To this day, the employees there don't get overtime for working like slaves, though I hear they do make upwards of 12 dollars an hour now. Again, do your math, 23,000 a year? After taxes, I was pulling in a little under 17,000 a year. If I'd had kids then, you bet your ass I would have been on every form of PA imaginable.

Quoting Tea4Tas:


Quoting sucker4myloves:

Bahahaha, I have never made 60k in my life. They took 200 out of my 900 dollar check, BI WEEKLY. Brings it down to 700, there's rent, because I lived a college town. Then there's the $200 for electric, because we didn't get to pick our electric company, and were paying out the ass. Take out $200 a month in gas, because work was thirty minutes away from home, and that's JUST the gas spent for work, never mind anywhere else. Minus thirty for water, and that left a whopping $270 a month to divvy up among groceries and other necessities.

What world do you live in? Not the poor world, obviously. This was seven years ago.

Oh, and my big fat tax return of about $1,000? Each year, it was spent on a new shitty falling apart car, because inevitably, the previous year's shitty car would die a resounding death.

I think if I had to work that same job today, in today's economy, with a child this time, I'd be on every welfare program imaginable too.

Quoting Tea4Tas:


Quoting sucker4myloves:

I do. I used to work 80 hours a week at a thankless job that drove me to drink and paid so little that 80 hours a week barely enabled me to pay all my bills and have enough to eat. And 200 a paycheck being taken out for taxes, 200 that meant I go from eating twice a day to once a day. Don't know about SOCO, but I've been there, and I was poor doing it. Don't feel sorry for the big wigs, no sir not one bit.

Quoting Tea4Tas:


Quoting SOCO101:

TBH, what pisses me off is seeing the wealthy bitch about paying higher taxes. Maybe not you OP, but look at all these ppl that have so much money they don't know what to do with it. Would it really hurt them to help out the lower class? Believe me, they're not giving anything up. They're still gonna go on their fancy vacations and buy the most expensive vehicles. While the majority of the county works their ass off just to get by. 

Why do they have to pay for you? They are already taxed at 35%. They are already FUNDING the poor.  Why should they be required to do more?

That means that 35% of their time is spent earning money to pay taxes....many of the very high wage earners wourk ridiculously long hours-60-90 hour work weeks.   Tell me do you know what it is like to work a 70 hour work week?


So they should have to do it and you shouldn't have had to?  How is that fair?  At $200 a week for Federal taxes, you paid out $10,400 in taxes yearly (assuming no refund) that is what you would pay on about 60K in income-how come you couldn't live off of that?


And on 23,000 a year with kids you would have been on every form of PA imaginable. I am not sure why you were having 20% taken out for taxes though-the tax rate on that income should have been about 11%.

And why were you earning about $4.75 per hour?  Because if it was one job and you were earning $450 per week, and working 80 hours, you were making less than that-how would that be legal?


And why would I live in the world of the poor? I spent years in college living off $20 a week for food so I wouldn't have to live in the world of the poor....Studying in bed because it was 50 degrees in my room and I couldn't afford to turn up the heat.

And because I did all of that, I should pay for people who don't want to do that?


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SOCO101
by on Dec. 9, 2012 at 8:36 AM


Quoting Tea4Tas:


Quoting SOCO101:


Quoting Tea4Tas:


Quoting SOCO101:

TBH, what pisses me off is seeing the wealthy bitch about paying higher taxes. Maybe not you OP, but look at all these ppl that have so much money they don't know what to do with it. Would it really hurt them to help out the lower class? Believe me, they're not giving anything up. They're still gonna go on their fancy vacations and buy the most expensive vehicles. While the majority of the county works their ass off just to get by. 

Why do they have to pay for you? They are already taxed at 35%. They are already FUNDING the poor.  Why should they be required to do more?

That means that 35% of their time is spent earning money to pay taxes....many of the very high wage earners wourk ridiculously long hours-60-90 hour work weeks.   Tell me do you know what it is like to work a 70 hour work week?

Trust me, I know. I also know that you are not paying for me. We are not on any type of PA. Maybe you should get your facts straight before you start jumping down ppl's throats. My husband works at a state penitentiary, working around ppl all day that you lock your doors at night to keep out. We are considered middle class, half of his paycheck goes to TAXES and insurance every month. Do you know what it's like to work in an environment like that, well over 40hrs/week, and still be living paycheck to paycheck all because you pay so much to the government. When we get our taxes back, it's the one time of the year we have the opportunity to get things done to our house that we need, get ahead on a few bills, insurance for our vehicles. All that fun shit. So tell me how it will hurt the 1% to pay a higher tax rate? They're still going to be living their luxurious lifestyles w/o having to sacrifice a damn thing. 

How do you get taxes back?   I pay out $450 a week in FEDERAL taxes alone and never see a return. EVER. IF you qualify for EITC then that is the reason for your refund-if you do not-for God's sake change his witholding!

Preview of 2012 Tax Year

Earned Income and adjusted gross income (AGI) must each be less than:

  • $45,060 ($50,270 married filing jointly) with three or more qualifying children
  • $41,952 ($47,162 married filing jointly) with two qualifying children
  • $36,920 ($42,130 married filing jointly) with one qualifying child
  • $13,980 ($19,190 married filing jointly) with no qualifying children

Tax Year 2012 maximum credit:

  • $5,891 with three or more qualifying children
  • $5,236 with two qualifying children
  • $3,169 with one qualifying child
  • $475 with no qualifying children

Investment income must be $3,200 or less for the year.

Let's just say you must make WAY more than we do. For your taxes to be that high you'd have to be grossing about $5,000 per week. That's double what we make in a month. I don't feel sorry for you. 

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CABZS
by Ruby Member on Dec. 9, 2012 at 8:37 AM

Just throwing this out there, could have had it before falling on hard times.

Nice car, had it before hard times. Sometimes they still owe to much to sell it

You never know.

Anyway, OP for the most part I agree w/you.  I can't stand that people abuse the system & that so many in this country expect things to be given to them anymore.

Quoting SRUsarahSC:

I could have screamed today, was at a Christmas parade and the woman next to me was screaming into her i-phone about her welfare and FS....if you're on welfare and FS, WHY DO YOU HAVE AN I-PHONE???? 


SRUsarahSC
by Member on Dec. 9, 2012 at 8:42 AM

I live in one of the poorest counties in the country.  I am extremely lucky, I make more on my own by $12,000/yr than the average family of four brings in....and I still refuse to have a data package, it's just too much money.  Very few people living around here can afford much, yet  I see all these women paying with FS at the store but they have an i-phone, a coach wallet etc....I feel like no one down here prioritizes because they aren't forced to.  We have ALOT of generational welfare down here.  When I had my daughter, the OBGYN office was all excited because I had actual insurance and a steady paycheck.

Quoting CABZS:

Just throwing this out there, could have had it before falling on hard times.

Nice car, had it before hard times. Sometimes they still owe to much to sell it

You never know.

Anyway, OP for the most part I agree w/you.  I can't stand that people abuse the system & that so many in this country expect things to be given to them anymore.

Quoting SRUsarahSC:

I could have screamed today, was at a Christmas parade and the woman next to me was screaming into her i-phone about her welfare and FS....if you're on welfare and FS, WHY DO YOU HAVE AN I-PHONE???? 



Tea4Tas
by on Dec. 9, 2012 at 8:46 AM


Quoting SOCO101:


Quoting Tea4Tas:


Quoting SOCO101:


Quoting Tea4Tas:


Quoting SOCO101:

TBH, what pisses me off is seeing the wealthy bitch about paying higher taxes. Maybe not you OP, but look at all these ppl that have so much money they don't know what to do with it. Would it really hurt them to help out the lower class? Believe me, they're not giving anything up. They're still gonna go on their fancy vacations and buy the most expensive vehicles. While the majority of the county works their ass off just to get by. 

Why do they have to pay for you? They are already taxed at 35%. They are already FUNDING the poor.  Why should they be required to do more?

That means that 35% of their time is spent earning money to pay taxes....many of the very high wage earners wourk ridiculously long hours-60-90 hour work weeks.   Tell me do you know what it is like to work a 70 hour work week?

Trust me, I know. I also know that you are not paying for me. We are not on any type of PA. Maybe you should get your facts straight before you start jumping down ppl's throats. My husband works at a state penitentiary, working around ppl all day that you lock your doors at night to keep out. We are considered middle class, half of his paycheck goes to TAXES and insurance every month. Do you know what it's like to work in an environment like that, well over 40hrs/week, and still be living paycheck to paycheck all because you pay so much to the government. When we get our taxes back, it's the one time of the year we have the opportunity to get things done to our house that we need, get ahead on a few bills, insurance for our vehicles. All that fun shit. So tell me how it will hurt the 1% to pay a higher tax rate? They're still going to be living their luxurious lifestyles w/o having to sacrifice a damn thing. 

How do you get taxes back?   I pay out $450 a week in FEDERAL taxes alone and never see a return. EVER. IF you qualify for EITC then that is the reason for your refund-if you do not-for God's sake change his witholding!

Preview of 2012 Tax Year

Earned Income and adjusted gross income (AGI) must each be less than:

  • $45,060 ($50,270 married filing jointly) with three or more qualifying children
  • $41,952 ($47,162 married filing jointly) with two qualifying children
  • $36,920 ($42,130 married filing jointly) with one qualifying child
  • $13,980 ($19,190 married filing jointly) with no qualifying children

Tax Year 2012 maximum credit:

  • $5,891 with three or more qualifying children
  • $5,236 with two qualifying children
  • $3,169 with one qualifying child
  • $475 with no qualifying children

Investment income must be $3,200 or less for the year.

Let's just say you must make WAY more than we do. For your taxes to be that high you'd have to be grossing about $5,000 per week. That's double what we make in a month. I don't feel sorry for you. 

I pay out about 22K a year in taxes-and gross no where near 250K a year.  Look AMT and how that works.

How do you figure that i would need to make 250,000 a year?  Because that would be less than 10% tax bracket!

Here are the actual tax brackets- a person making $5000 a week would lose $1650 of it to income tax. And of course exemptions and the AMT figure in as well.

Tax Bracket Married Filing Jointly Single
10% Bracket $0 – $17,400 $0 – $8,700
15% Bracket $17,400 – $70,700 $8,700 – $35,350
25% Bracket $70,700 – $142,700 $35,350 – $85,650
28% Bracket $142,700 – $217,450 $85,650 – $178,650
33% Bracket $217,450 – $388,350 $178,650 – $388,350
35% Bracket Over $388,350 Over $388,350

And here are a few related points:

  • The personal and dependency exemption will rise to $3,800
  • The standard deduction for married filing jointly will rise to $11,900
  • The standard deduction for singles will rise to $5,950
Tea4Tas
by on Dec. 9, 2012 at 8:48 AM
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Quoting sucker4myloves:

I don't care what you pay or who you pay for--you don't pay for me or mine, and never have. Do your math again, I was making slightly above minimum wage at that time, 5.65, and they didn't have to pay me overtime because of a loophole. I was required by law to sleep at least two hours in between sixteen hour shifts, and they had employee cots set up exactly for that on premises. Unfortunately, when you sleep at a job, that gives them a certain right now to pay you overtime. Nobody there got overtime because they set up rooms with cots. To this day, the employees there don't get overtime for working like slaves, though I hear they do make upwards of 12 dollars an hour now. Again, do your math, 23,000 a year? After taxes, I was pulling in a little under 17,000 a year. If I'd had kids then, you bet your ass I would have been on every form of PA imaginable.

And if you have 2 kids now and earn under 45 K you are on pA.

Why DO people have kids whent hey can't afford them?

MrsErdos2011
by on Dec. 9, 2012 at 8:50 AM

You know, all this worrying you do about other people's lives is gonna give you wrinkles and shorten your life...

FooLynRoo
by on Dec. 9, 2012 at 8:50 AM
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i read in one of these forums last night about a youngish lady with a family so proud that she lives off 900 dollars a month etc etc on NO assitance.

Comes to learn their 3 bedroom 1.5 bath house they live in - is FREE courtesy of her parents.

I mean, pat yourself on the back and all that - but seriously. LOL you live rent free... you SHOULD be making it work on 900 a month .

ha ha ha hah

heartnhidin
by on Dec. 9, 2012 at 8:50 AM
I know right. If its not one thing its another.

Quoting little.worthen:

wait, it's not even tax season yet! It's still Christmas season!! I thought I didnt have to listen to people bitching about taxes for another few weeks at LEAST!! grr..

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momdoes
by Platinum Member on Dec. 9, 2012 at 8:51 AM
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Very true, but at the same time.......... If you had it and fell on hard times, get rid of it, sell it whatever.

When I got divorced, my ex and I werent rich, nor poor and when he walked out, so did half the income in that house I got to stay in. The car we had? Went bye bye. I could not afford to pay the note on it by myself so I took the credit puch and gave it back to dealer. The phones we had just got? yup, gave them back too. I didnt sell the stuff we had but gace it up. Cleared and got rid of a bill I could not afford at that time. Same thing now. My dh and I. I am in school full time, not working. We have a car still making payments on. There have been a few months I comtiplated driving that car to the dealer and handing them the keys! All because my mortgage comes first. (we manage to somehow get it paid tho but if we get to a point before graduation we cant, I have no issue giving it up)

Also, when I graduate, I will be making a six figure salary as well as my dh does now. I have paid my dues, sacrificed, suffered, etc. So has dh. The only people I feel we should "help" out after all we have done to get us where we are......is our kids. And even then it will be limited because they should be working hard too.

Thats the thing, we want to teach our kids to work hard, dont take the easy route, and it will pay off in the end. Why ask and demand that of our children and not of society itself?

Quoting CABZS:

Just throwing this out there, could have had it before falling on hard times.

Nice car, had it before hard times. Sometimes they still owe to much to sell it

You never know.

Anyway, OP for the most part I agree w/you.  I can't stand that people abuse the system & that so many in this country expect things to be given to them anymore.

Quoting SRUsarahSC:

I could have screamed today, was at a Christmas parade and the woman next to me was screaming into her i-phone about her welfare and FS....if you're on welfare and FS, WHY DO YOU HAVE AN I-PHONE???? 

 


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