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All because some mom's won't vaccinate...

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Do you agree that this is the reason that the measles are back or do you think there is more to it?

From Prince Edward Island to British Columbia, doctors across Canada are grappling with a highly infectious disease the likes of which they’ve never seen before: measles.

Measles was supposedly stamped out years ago, along with whooping cough, polio and other nasty maladies. But now it’s made a comeback, thanks to people who don’t believe in vaccinations. France, northern England and Wales have all been hit with serious measles outbreaks. Wales alone has had 1,200 cases since November of last year, mostly among children and adolescents under 18. Dozens more cases have appeared in pockets of the United States.

Canada has recorded about 30 cases in 2013, including eight in B.C. since June. “It’s been three years since we have seen measles in B.C.,” Dr. Paul Martiquet of the Vancouver Coastal Health Authority told Canadian Press.

The modern anti-vaccination scare began in the late 1990s, when a British physician named Andrew Wakefield began warning people that the MMR vaccine (measles, mumps and rubella) causes autism in children. Medical experts refuted his claims, but parents panicked. Vaccination rates in Britain sank from 92 per cent to 73 per cent. Dr. Wakefield’s research has since been widely condemned as a giant fraud, and many of the current crop of measles victims were never vaccinated because of him.

In Canada, the good news is that the new infections have been imported from elsewhere, either from infected people who travelled to Canada and passed it along, or from Canadians who were infected abroad. The bad news is that Canada’s vaccination rate is just 85 per cent – lower than it should be to confer population immunity. Our worst recent outbreak occurred in 2011, when 725 people came down with it in Quebec.

Even though Dr. Wakefield was thoroughly disgraced, anti-vaxxers aren’t hard to find. Plenty of chiropractors, homeopaths and other practitioners of “natural” medicine believe vaccines are unnecessary or dangerous. Activist-actress Jenny McCarthy (the new girl on The View) has been waging a high-profile war on childhood vaccines for years. Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the environmental activist, is another anti-vax crackpot. He’s claimed that we’re poisoning our children with thimerosal, a preservative in vaccines, and that a vast conspiracy of government agencies has covered up the truth.

Some anti-vaxxers belong to fringe religious groups. But some are highly educated, hyper-vigilant, holistically minded parents who believe the environment is full of toxic substances that are potential threats to their children. Some think the medical establishment has no right to tell them what to do.

“Measles is not a life-threatening disease,” goes one typical online comment. “Parents have every right not to vaccinate their children, especially when big pharma still uses toxins such as mercury (still in flu shots) and aluminum (still in most infant/child vaccines).” These people get plenty of affirmation on the Internet, which is a bottomless cornucopia of junk science and scare stories.

It’s true that measles rarely kills. But it can have serious side effects, including deafness and pneumonia. It travels the globe at the speed of airplanes. It is also easy to prevent and totally unnecessary. In some countries, and also some Canadian provinces, you have to get your kids vaccinated or else they can’t go to school. Good idea. As we learned with seat belts, a little coercion can be a good thing.

by on Jul. 25, 2013 at 7:33 PM
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by Gold Member on Jul. 26, 2013 at 12:09 AM

Couldn't DISAGREE more!

by Gold Member on Jul. 26, 2013 at 12:11 AM
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Vaccines are not forced here in the US either.It's just that most people do not realize that they are not mandatory.Not even for school.

Quoting tyrelsmom:

Bullshit bullshit bullshit.

I'm Canadian. Here they recognize that it is unconstitutional to force vaccinations and hold children's education hostage to do so. Only a couple provinces even ask for your child's shot record (and mine isn't one of them), and those that do, well, essentially you need to sign a waiver that says you don't wanna. There is NO forced vaccinations in Canada.

by Silver Member on Jul. 26, 2013 at 12:16 AM

I swear I had read something recently about the measles virus starting to mutate and the vaccine failing. I could be wrong though. 

by on Jul. 26, 2013 at 12:22 AM
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That's a good philosophy except...

Vaccines prevent the severest form of a disease but they don't prevent infection. So, last year ds's classmate was infected with pertussis. No biggie to us. He's immunized and all his sibs are older and also immunized. However if any of his classmates had younger sibs, say infants, that had not been immunized yet, they could possibly spread it to them.

About a month later, this same student came down with the measles. Again, ds was fine, he's the youngest and therefore no sibs to worry about. But what about the child in his class whose mother has an infant that hasn't been immunized?

It would be one thing if vaccines guaranteed that you couldn't contract a disease at all. But they don't. So it puts everyone at risk that the child comes in contact with and everyone they come in contact with as well.

Quoting sahmw2010:I think, unless the child allergic to the vaccines, u should vaccinate. HOWEVER, since thats my views, thats what i do with MY kids. Ur views, u treat ur kids ur way and we both will see if we have to take care of the child with this issue or not
by on Jul. 26, 2013 at 12:37 AM
It's possible. Any virus will mutate over time if they have a host to grow in. No host, no mutation. Smallpox was completely eradicated so it doesn't mutate, it's extinct except a few samples in labs. The more people unimmunized that get infected the higher the chance that a virus will mutate to a point where the current vaccine is useless.

Quoting aritoyh:

I swear I had read something recently about the measles virus starting to mutate and the vaccine failing. I could be wrong though. 

by Gold Member on Jul. 26, 2013 at 12:53 AM

Some of it is people not vaccinatiing. But they also say vaccination does not last for life. You got to get a booster at some point.

by on Jul. 26, 2013 at 1:11 AM

 But your child is vaccinated, what is there to worry about?

Quoting mistressflora:

I think its insane someone would rather risk their child catching something like that than giving them a shot, but its their choice...What I think is even more messed up is that these women who think its ok to skip out of them, try to get the parents who do, not to!!! Im sorry, I want my kid going to school without catching something like that! I am all for vaccinations before going into school! its a way to keep everyone safe. My child will not die bc of your pride!


by Platinum Member on Jul. 26, 2013 at 1:20 AM



             I do agree, with "Vaccinations".

     There is a risk, with anything medical.

     I do not believe, your decision to not vaccinate- ,

       Should hurt MY CHILD.

                                    At the play-ground .


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by Silver Member on Jul. 26, 2013 at 3:34 AM
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I must say that I have some questions and concerns when it comes to vaccinations.

When our son was young we selectively vaccinated. I honestly can't remember which was which now but on the advice of our doctor we gave him two of the MMR vaccines separately and didn't do the third one. There were, at the time, some concerns about that one part and due to the medical histories of our families our doctor thought that the risk outweighed the benefits for that segment for our son. Since we trusted our doctor and had read of the same concerns we felt it was justified.

The other issue I have vaccinations stems from our experience with the vaccine for the chicken pox. It was just being introduced when our son was young. Like many vaccines and medicines it was touted by the company that produced it in a pamphlet in which the company itself said that the chicken pox really wasn't dangerous and that the reason they had researched and introduced the vaccine was financial. Since there were so many families in which both parents worked and since the normal course of the chicken pox was approximately two weeks the vaccine would insure that the parents would not be in the position of having to miss so much work. We declined the vaccine since that wasn't an issue for us, I was a SAHP, and in due course our son got the chicken pox, no problem.

Since that time twenty some years the intention of the vaccine has morphed into one of medical importance although the chicken pox have not changed and aren't that dangerous and the risk of complications very low. They also administer it several times over the course of childhood and adolescence and now advocate for the adult version to fight off shingles although its efficacy against shingles has really not been proven. So my thought is that you sell more vaccine and make more money if it's about "dire health concerns" rather than whether or not working parents must miss work when their child/children have the chicken pox.

So I am all for vaccinations when appropriate for individual children for diseases that are proven to be dangerous or deadly or for children with compromised immunity. On the other hand for common childhood diseases that are generally not threats to the healthy children or others in the community I believe that parents should make the choice. If children who are not vaccinated do get such diseases they will then have the same immunity as provided by the vaccine and the disease itself should not be of consequence to the larger community since even though vaccination rates have fallen most children still are vaccinated. 

by on Jul. 26, 2013 at 3:44 AM

I have been given the shot twice (once as a child and once as an adult) and after this baby is born I have to get another MMR shot. 

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