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Trying to defend my decision to my family to not to vax my daughter.

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I'm currently trying to defend my decision to my family not to vax my daughter.

I had a few questions for you guys:

1) I've heard that doctors are required to recommend vaccines in order to keep their license, yet never learn about the pharmacology of vaccine ingredients in school.  Does anyone know if that is true?  Is it the AMA that sets this requirement to recommend vaccines?

2) My sister-in-law is worried that my unvaxed kid is going to endanger her vaxed 3 year old daughter.  I think I'm going to tell her:

a) if vaccines work, then what is she so afraid of?

b) if she understands that vaccines aren't 100% effective, then she should also understand that her daughter is likely to be exposed to these diseases by vaxinated kids too who have caught the diseases.  

c) she should worry more about how her daughter's nutrition is affecting her immune system instead of worrying about what my daughter is doing

d) if I vax my daughter then I'm exposing her daughter to some virus sheading from the vaccine.  Since I'm not vaxing, I'm elminating this method of transfering the disease.

Do you guys have any more ideas on this one?

3) what are the flaws with herd immunity theory?



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happytexasCM
by Gold Member on Dec. 1, 2009 at 9:03 PM

Give this list (and possibly a book to your SIL) and tell them that when they have answered every question for every vaccine you would be willing to talk about it.


 Here are some questions to answer for yourself in deciding about vax.

1. Name of the disease
2. Description of the disease
3. Length of time from initial infection to end of all symptoms
4. Infectious period
5. Normal symptoms of the disease
6. Known serious consequences of the disease
7. Proportion of persons infected developing serious consequences
8. Transmission route of the disease
9. Prevalence of the disease
10. Treatments of the disease and efficacy of those treatments
11. Relevant research about the disease
12. Name of the vaccine
13. Company that makes the vaccine
14. Contents of the vaccine
14A. The significance of whether or not the vaccine is live
15. History of development of the vaccine
16. Known side-effects of the vaccine and rate of incidence of those side-effects
17. Possible side-effects not yet acknowledged by the vaccine maker
18. Relevant research into the vaccine
19. How effective is the vaccine at preventing the disease?
20.What is the vaccine meant to do? (Many vaccines are not meant to prevent infection or transmission).
21.Number of cases reported each year.
22.Number of deaths reported each year from the vaccine and natural disease.

Here are some sources to help you out:

Vaccines: The Risks, The Benefits, The Choices 1/18 DVD, By Sherri J. TENPENNY



http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/mmwr_wk.html (download the current issue)
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/pink-chapters.htm
http://vaers.hhs.gov/pdf/PackageInserts.pdf
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7018835240451107552&q=
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6351515212287981735&hl=en
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/G/cases&deaths.pdf

Health Sentinel Graphs

WHO GRAPH

Vaccine Injury Table


Beyond Conformity Resources Page

Do you have a quick-fire summary?

Inside Vaccines

kailu1835
by Member on Dec. 1, 2009 at 10:25 PM


Quoting SandiElder:

I'm currently trying to defend my decision to my family not to vax my daughter.

I had a few questions for you guys:

1) I've heard that doctors are required to recommend vaccines in order to keep their license, yet never learn about the pharmacology of vaccine ingredients in school.  Does anyone know if that is true?  Is it the AMA that sets this requirement to recommend vaccines?

Doctors spend more time learning more about prescribing medicine in school than they do on how to treat a problem without.  I have heard the time they spend on this is even more than they spend on the actual anatomy and physiology of the human body.  Some never even do a disection of a human body.  But because vaccines are changing all the time, it is impossible to teach anymore than the bare minimum, such as how vaccines are supposed to work.

2) My sister-in-law is worried that my unvaxed kid is going to endanger her vaxed 3 year old daughter.  I think I'm going to tell her:

Actually, your daughter is more at risk from getting something from your neice than the other way around.  If she gets vax'd, keep your daughter away from her for at least 4 days.

a) if vaccines work, then what is she so afraid of?

b) if she understands that vaccines aren't 100% effective, then she should also understand that her daughter is likely to be exposed to these diseases by vaxinated kids too who have caught the diseases.  

This is a biggie - most people think that if you get vax'd, you have immunity, but this is far from correct.  You are more likely - in some cases - to get the disease from the vaccination itself than you are to get it from someone else.  Also, vaccines are only 70% effective in some, meaning they get the toxins, AND the illness.

c) she should worry more about how her daughter's nutrition is affecting her immune system instead of worrying about what my daughter is doing

d) if I vax my daughter then I'm exposing her daughter to some virus sheading from the vaccine.  Since I'm not vaxing, I'm elminating this method of transfering the disease.

Do you guys have any more ideas on this one?

3) what are the flaws with herd immunity theory?

 This I don't know.  Hopefully someone will be able to tag this one. 


Myroslava
by Bronze Member on Dec. 2, 2009 at 1:09 AM

 Herd immunity theory is based on the WILD disease- meaning, if certain percentage of the populations gets a particular infectious desease, everyone else is protected (sorry, can't remember where i've read that or the actual percentage number). And it has been adopted for vaccines, but never has been really tested/studied, i don't think.

 Plus, there have been several cases of outbreaks of diseases in populations90%-100 vaccinated against that speciific disease!(again, right now i can not remember from the top ofmy head exact dates/places,always have been bad with that stuff:( )

I know, it is not very helpful, unless you have the details, but the info is out there.

YannysMummy
by Bronze Member on Dec. 2, 2009 at 3:10 PM

This might help:

When my oldest child was a baby, after telling the health visitor I didn’t vaccinate, she promptly exclaimed, “Oh well, she’s lucky as she has herd immunity from the vaccinated children to protect her!”
She then went on to say that not everyone had the luxury of my decision because if less than 95% of children were vaccinated, then it wouldn’t work anymore. I thought this was a silly concept because if vaccination truly worked, then any child who was vaccinated would be protected from disease, no matter how many ‘infectious’ unvaccinated kids there were, and if the 95% herd immunity figure was a genuine argument, it only points to one thing: the medical profession don’t really believe in the effectiveness of their own vaccines.

What Is The Herd Immunity Theory?

The herd immunity theory was originally coined in 1933 by a researcher called Hedrich. He had been studying measles patterns in the US between 1900-1931 (years before any vaccine was ever invented for measles) and he observed that epidemics of the illness only occurred when less than 68% of children had developed a natural immunity to it. This was based upon the principle that children build their own immunity after suffering with or being exposed to the disease. So the herd immunity theory was, in fact, about natural disease processes and nothing to do with vaccination. If 68% of the population were allowed to build their own natural defences, there would be no raging epidemic.
Later on, vaccinologists adopted the phrase and increased the figure from 68% to 95% with no scientific justification as to why, and then stated that there had to be 95% vaccine coverage to achieve immunity. Essentially, they took Hedrich’s study and manipulated it to promote their vaccination programmes.

(MONTHLY ESTIMATES OF THE CHILD POPULATION "SUSCEPTIBLE' TO MEASLES, 1900-1931, BALTIMORE, MD, AW HEDRICH, American Journal of Epidemiology, May 1933 - Oxford University Press).


Why Vaccine Induced Herd Immunity is Flawed

If vaccination really immunises, then your vaccinated child will be immunised and therefore protected against any disease an unvaccinated child gets. If he isn’t, his shots didn’t work.
We should also examine whether or not the vaccines actually do provide immunity and in which populations epidemics occurred. Was it the unvaccinated children spreading disease as they would have parents believe? Or were those epidemics already in previously vaccinated people?
To do this I have listed several epidemics that have occurred in the last 100 years or so, including Smallpox, which medics claim that vaccination eradicated.

There was a Smallpox epidemic in Pittsburgh, USA, in 1924. This epidemic was started by a mandatory vaccination campaign in which people were imprisoned if they refused the shot. A health club then started a suit against Dr. Voux, who had headed the vaccination drive, for bringing disease upon the people. Legal council for the health club stated: ‘There have been NO deaths from Smallpox in Pittsburgh during the previous nine years from 1915 to 1924, including the years when there was no vaccination or re-vaccination, at all – and hence, no vaccine immunity.’
They pointed out that the vaccine campaign had caused 22 deaths and 112 cases of vaccine-induced Smallpox. (You can read a detailed history of vaccination in Eleanor McBean’s book, Vaccination Condemned, Better Life Research, 1981).

In Germany between 1947-1974, there were ten outbreaks of Smallpox including 94 people who had been previously ‘immunised’, who then became ill with the disease. (The Vaccination Nonsense, 2004 lectures, Dr. Gerhard Buchwald).

Here are some more recent epidemics in vaccinated populations:
In March 2006, 245 cases of mumps were confirmed in Iowa, US, where the law requires vaccination for school entry. Eleven year-old Will Hean of Davenport was diagnosed with mumps, and his 21 year old sister Kate.Both children had gotten the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine, or MMR. “He had all the shots and everything. You don’t think you’re going to get the mumps after you’ve been inoculated,” said Will’s father, Wayne Hean. (2006, The Associated Press).

In 2002 an outbreak of Varicella (Chickenpox) occurred in a US daycare centre for fully vaccinated children. Varicella developed in 25 of 88 children (28.4 percent) between December 1, 2000, and January 11, 2001. A case occurred in a healthy child who had been vaccinated three years previously and who infected more than 50 percent of his classmates who had no history of varicella. The effectiveness of the vaccine was 44.0 percent against disease of any severity.Children who had been vaccinated three years or more before the outbreak were at greater risk for vaccine failure than those who had been vaccinated more recently.
Conclusions: In this outbreak, vaccination provided poor protection
against varicella. Longer interval since vaccination was associated with an increased risk of vaccine failure. Breakthrough infections in vaccinated, healthy persons can be as infectious as varicella in unvaccinated persons. (Outbreak of Varicella at a Day-Care Centre despite Vaccination)
2002
Karin Galil, M.D., M.P.H., Brent Lee, M.D., M.P.H., Tara Strine, M.P.H.,
Claire Carraher, R.N., Andrew L. Baughman, Ph.D., M.P.H., Melinda Eaton,
D.V.M., Jose Montero, M.D., and Jane Seward, M.B., B.S., M.P.H.).

And here’s some vaccine failures for measles: Five cases of measles secondary vaccine failure with confirmed seroconversion after live measles vaccination. (Scandinavian Journal of Infectious Disease vol. 29, no. 2, 1997, pp.187-90): Two, five, seven and twelve years after vaccination with further attenuated live measles vaccine, three of five patients experienced modified measles infection, and the remaining two had typical measles. "This may be the first SVF case report that confirms the existence of completely waning immunity in recipients of the further attenuated live measles vaccines."

And Whooping Cough: Journal of Infectious Diseases, vol. 179, April 1999; 915-923. Temporal trends in the population structure of bordetella pertussis during 1949-1996 in a highly vaccinated population- "Despite the introduction of large-scale pertussis vaccination in 1953 and high vaccination coverage, pertussis is still an endemic disease in The Netherlands, with epidemic outbreaks occurring every 3-5 years." One factor that might contribute to this is the ability of pertussis strains to adapt to vaccine-induced immunity, causing new strains of pertussis to re-emerge in this well-vaccinated population.

Just recently, Dr. Kari Simonsen, a pediatrician at the University of Nebraska Medical Center, USA, said one in five children who are vaccinated for whooping cough will still get the disease. She said efficacy of the vaccine was 'comparatively low', but said
'It's the best vaccine we can build to date.'
Despite admitting this, she still believes that parents should get the vaccine for their children.

At St. Robert Bellarmine School in west Omaha, 12 children had confirmed whooping cough, of those, most had been vaccinated.

The Nebraska Department of Health and Human Services reported Thursday that the state has had 117 confirmed cases this year, up from 70 all of last year and 99 in 2006. There were 312 cases in Nebraska in 2005.

In Douglas County, 48 cases have been reported this year. Last year, 21 cases were reported.

This is in a country that gives five doses of the vaccine in the first four years of life and then another dose at 11 years of age!

(Omaha World Herald, 'Vaccine Didn't Stop Whooping Cough', 31st October 2008).

Victor Plotkin - an epidemiologist from Lake County in the US has reported that there have been 82 cases of pertussis in the county so far this year.

'Plotkin said the county did see very high numbers of cases during a nationwide outbreak of pertussis in 2004 and 2005. In 2004, there were 152 cases of pertussis and 135 cases in 2005. However, before that, pertussis cases in the county had averaged about 8 to 10 a year for many years.

Plotkin said the 2004 and 2005 pertussis outbreak appears that it may have been attributed to waning immunity among older children and adults who had not received booster shots. He said the most recent outbreak is a bit more puzzling because many of the children who are becoming ill are younger children who were recently vaccinated.

"Unfortunately, during this outbreak, even people that have been recently vaccinated are becoming sick anyway," he said. "Their symptoms are milder, but they still can pass the bacteria along to others and make others sick."

(Whooping Cough Increases in Lake County - the Vernon Hills Review 20th November 2008).

So What Happens if People don’t Vaccinate?
Are the unvaccinated really infectious?

According to Archives of Disease in Childhood, vol. 59, no. 2, February 1984, pp. 162-5): ‘Severity of whooping cough in England before and after the decline in pertussis immunisation’, "Since the decline of pertussis immunisation, hospital admission and death rates from whooping cough have fallen unexpectedly… The severity of attacks and the complication rates in children [who were] admitted to hospital were virtually unchanged. – i.e. hospital admissions and death rates reduced when people WEREN’T getting vaccinated, meaning that avoiding shots is actually good for your child’s health and may save his life, and in those cases which were admitted to hospital, there were no increased complications in the unvaccinated group. Basically, at best the shots don’t make a difference and at worse, they kill or disable.
But there has never been one double-blind controlled study of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated children. Why? The medical profession say it is unethical to withhold vaccination from children. Therefore they cannot gain an accurate indication of what health is because everyone is getting the shots and suffering colds, ear infections, eczema, asthma and there is nothing to compare it with. If they did do a study, they would undoubtedly find the unvaccinated are healthier and maybe that it why they refuse.
Not one of my four daughters ever suffered from any of the common childhood ailments that so many of their friends did. Whilst all the babies in the nursery were catching colds every other week, my baby was happy and healthy. “She’s got an excellent immune system even though she’s never been vaccinated”, remarked the health visitor at her check.”No” I corrected, “She has an excellent immune system BECAUSE she’s never been vaccinated.”

Why the Social Responsibility Argument is Nonsense

The guilt trip method is a common vaccine marketing technique. If a parent is concerned, say about the ingredients in the shot for their child, they are told that they 'have to' vaccinate for the good of all other children to prevent the spread of disease in the community. This concept is flawed for a variety of reasons that I will explore here:

1. As stated above, diseases occur in 95% vaccinated communities and in outbreaks, the majority of those affected are already vaccinated. See pages http://www.vaccineriskawareness.com/Diseases-In-The-Vaccinated and http://www.vaccineriskawareness.com/Diseases-In-The-Vaccinated-Page-2 for regularly updated citations and articles about diseases in highly vaccinated populations.

2. Some vaccines are live and can shed in the child's urine, excrement and saliva. Vaccine viruses can end up in our water supply by entering the sewage system and infect unvaccinated children, as reported in the 'diseases in the vaccinated' pages and http://www.vaccineriskawareness.com/Vaccine-Shedding. Killed virus vaccines have also been known to mutate and spread disease. For instance, a 16 year old girl died of meningitis B after kissing her boyfriend who'd just had the meningitis C vaccine. Scientists proved the bug was a mutated version of the vaccine virus - New England Journal of Medicine,Volume 342:219-220, January 20, 2000, number 3.

So in actual fact, the vaccinated are the ones who carry the disease and risk infecting the unvaccinated, rather than the other way around.

3. Doctors argue that people should be vaccinated to 'protect' those who are immuno-suppressed through cancer or some other cause. However, as vaccines mutate and shed, then an immuno-compromised person is at risk by being around a recently vaccinated person. For instance, the Merck Manual says 'Immunocompromised patients should not receive live-virus vaccines, which could provoke severe or fatal infections.
Occasionally, within 1 mo of (chickenpox) vaccination, a mild maculopapular or varicella-like rash develops. Patients who develop this rash should avoid contact with immunocompromised people until it resolves. Spread of the virus from vaccine recipients to susceptible people has been documented in < 1% of recipients but only from those who developed a rash.

The same manual also states that 15% of children vaccinated with MMR will get a mild form of measles. They say it is noncommunicable but as it is live, the same as varicella vaccine, it could confer the same risk to the immuno-compromised. My eldest daughter actually got measles from a baby who'd just come straight from the MMR clinic. She broke out with classic measles rash and other symptoms 14 days later, which is the incubation period for measles.

No other child had it and there were no other cases in the area. I believe that my daughter, although she was hardly ever sick, was immuno-compromised to an extent because she was bottle fed due to me nearly dying from an infected episiotomy at her birth. Not having the antibodies and live white blood cells from my milk would have put her at extra risk for picking up vaccine derived viruses - http://www.vaccineriskawareness.com/Contraindications-people-who-shouldn-t-be-vaccinated-and-side-effects-From-The-Merck-Manual-vaccine-manufacturer-

I have had calls from nurses asking if it's okay to vaccinate with live vaccines when there was a cancer ward next door and the patients were in direct contact. I said no. There are many documented cases of transmission to close contacts after live virus vaccine and the affect on an immuno-compromised person could be disasterous.

For instance, data for Flu Mist live flu vaccine spray states:

'This medication should not be used if you have certain medical conditions. Before using this medicine, consult your doctor or pharmacist if you have: history of allergy to egg or egg products, immune deficiency.

After receiving the vaccine, you may shed influenza virus through the nose for up to 3 weeks. Tell laboratory personnel that you have used this medication. Nasal/oral specimens will test positive for influenza virus during this time. Also avoid close contact (e.g., same household) with people who are immunocompromised (e.g., HIV infection, cancer therapy) for at least 21 days. '

http://www.medicinenet.com/influenza_virus_vaccine_live-nasal/page2.htm

4. Vaccination is an invasive procedure on an otherwise healthy individual where no treatment is indicated. Vaccinations are not harmless sugar pills, they are drugs and like all drugs they have side-effects, sometimes serious. A person should never undergo any procedure involving risk for the benefit of someone else. Doctors argue that only '1 in a million' are seriously injured or killed by vaccination, but if your child is that one, the risk to your child is 100%.

5. The responsibility of a parent is towards her own child. That is why we have something called Parental Responsibility (PR) in law. If your child is one of the 1 in 1000 children who suffer a seizure after MMR (http://www.immunisation.nhs.uk/Vaccines/MMR/Having_the_vaccination/after_mmr) then you will have essentially caused a seizure in your child to protect another child.
My own personal OPINION as a mother myself is that each parent is responsible for their own child and that child's health and I will not risk my child's health for a highly debatable perceived benefit to somebody else. If anything happened to my child as a result, I would be failing in my law given PR to protect my child.

Doctors argue that I am putting my children at risk by not vaccinating - but as stated further up the page, the majority of epidemics are occuring in the vaccinated as reported in many medical journals and newspapers.

6. The cancer patient who lives next door to you is not going to come around and give 24 hour a day care to your DPT brain injured child. He does not take social responsibility for your child - so why should your child take responsibility for him? According to Longmount Clinic, whole cell DPT causes brain damage in 1 in every 140,000 children - 'Convulsions occur in 1 of 1750 vaccinations. Pertussis vaccine has also been associated with acute encephalopathy with permanent brain damage. Serious neurologic illness associated with whole cell pertussis vaccine is estimated at 1 in 140,000 - http://www.longmontclinic.com/Resources/A%20Guide%20to%20Childhood%20Immunizations

This is a truly SHOCKING figure. Although they argue that DTaP has now been developed that cuts the risk, but it only reduces MILD reactions, not serious ones. A data sheet for DTaP vaccine states:

'Over the entire study period, 6 seizures were reported in the DAPTACEL™ group, 9 in the DT group and 3 in the
whole-cell pertussis DTP group, for overall rates of 2.3, 3.5 and 1.4 per 1,000 vaccinees, respectively. One case of infantile spasms was
reported in the DAPTACEL™ group.' - so the seizures were actually more in the DTaP group than the whole cell group.

And:

'The common local and systemic adverse experiences, after all 3
doses, for DAPTACEL™ and the participating acellular vaccines that have subsequently been licensed in the US were generally similar
in type and frequency and were reduced in comparison to the whole-cell pertussis DTP vaccine.'

So the evidence suggests that only COMMON MILD side-effects are reduced, meaning a child's risk from brain damage from a DPT containing vaccine could still be 1 in 140,000. - https://www.vaccineshoppe.com/image.cfm?image_type=product_pdfπ=286-10

7. Even if vaccines did work at preventing disease, there is no compensation for those who choose to partake in the programme. The UK government does not offer compensation to children injured or killed who were under the age of 2, and this is when most of the vaccines are given - http://www.vaccineriskawareness.com/Vaccine-Damage-Payments-Unit

If the person was older than that at the time of injury or death, then you have a slim chance of getting compensated but even then, you have to prove you are 60% disabled or more and if you do, you will only get a maximum payout of £120,000 - which will not pay for the life time care of a severely injured person.

Most of the time, an injury or death is passed off as 'coincidence' - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/swine-flu/6467984/People-will-die-after-swine-flu-vaccine---but-its-just-coincidence.html

If we are going to have a system of medicine where it is okay to sacrifice some for the benefit of the majority, which is the argument of vaccination, then we need to stand up and acknowledge those sacrificed and properly honour and compensate the families of the dead in the same way we honour our war dead.

Until such a system is implimented, parents choosing to 'protect others' via vaccination have no protection themselves if something goes wrong.

YannysMummy
by Bronze Member on Dec. 2, 2009 at 3:12 PM

Here is the text from my popular leaflet, 'NO, I don't vaccinate.  Here's why.'

I have made my decision. I am educated and have researched the issue fully. I don't want to be pressured, bullied or belittled. Please respect my right to choose. All of my sources of vaccine information come from reputable sources such as medical journals, vaccine manufacturers, the NHS, the CDC and respected healthcare practitioners.

1. Vaccines are made with toxic ingredients that don't promote health, such as 2-phenoxyethanol. According to the data sheet, 2-phenoxyethanol is 'harmful if swallowed, inhaled or absorbed through the skin. May cause reproductive defects. Severe eye and skin irritant' - emc.medicines.org and http://tinyurl.com/r8lnyd

2. The CDC pink book says that even vaccines listed as thimerosal free still have thimerosal in them, such as DTaP vaccine, HIB, DT, Hep A and B, influenza and meningococcal vaccines - http://tinyurl.com/25s65v

3. Although the CDC say trace amounts of thimerosal have 'no biological effect', vaccine manufacturers disagree. According to Merck, thimerosal is 'very toxic, inhalation, swallowing or absorption through the skin in very small amounts can cause considerable damage to health and may sometimes be lethal' - http://tinyurl.com/qctanp

4. According to an NHS training pack for immunisers, the new GSK swine flu vaccine contains thimerosal even though it was supposed to have been phased out for safety reasons - http://tinyurl.com/or2szq

5. According to all vaccine manufacturers, vaccines have never been tested to see if they affect fertility, cause cancer or mutate into other illnesses. For instance, the data sheet for pneumonia vaccine says 'has not been evaluated for any carcinogenic or mutagenic potential or impairment of fertility' - http://www.tinyurl.com/r4qfz3

6. Some vaccines are cultured on aborted foetal tissue which is a disrespectful use of human remains. MMR and varicella vaccines currently contain foetal tissue. Proponents of vaccination argue that the tissue was from decades ago and no new tissue has been used since, but this is untrue. New cell lines are being developed. The latest one was from 1995 and unborn baby's retinal (eye) tissue was used to create flu vaccines, a new TB vaccine as well as maleria, rabies and experimental HIV vaccines, according to an FDA document - http://www.tinyurl/op24br

7. Children produce antibodies to ALL ingredients in the vaccine, not just the viruses, so using foetal tissue in vaccines has caused some children to develop antibodies to their own brain tissue, as has been found in autistic children - Journal of Neuroimmunology, Instituto Gulbenkian de Ciencia, Observatorio da ciencia e do ensino superior, Portugal, July 23, 2004.

8. The polio vaccine is cultured on monkey kidney tissue. This was later found to contain Simian Virus 40 (SV40) which contaminated the polio vaccine and caused cancers. Despite this it was not withdrawn and the only safety measures that were put in place were monitoring the culture for 14 days to see if it turned cancerous and using tissue from the African Green Monkey instead of the Rhesus Monkey. However, SV40 has also been found in the African Green Monkey, according to the In Vitro medical journal. This tissue is now being used to make the new swine flu vaccine - http://www.tinyurl.com/oy9a3e and http://tinyurl.com/or2szq

9. The risks of diseases have been hyped up to promote vaccination. For instance, the 1985 version of the British National Formulary states on page 385 that 'since mumps and its complications are rarely serious there is little indication for routine use of a mumps vaccine.' This was repeated in the 1986 version, yet only two years later, MMR was introduced and mumps is now described as causing meningitis and sterility.

10. The DOH say that 1 in 15 children will have 'serious' side effects from measles, yet the 1996 version of 'Immunisation Against Infectious Disease' (the green book) says on page 125 ear infections and bronchitis occur in 1 in 15 cases. Neither of these conditions are 'serious'. The rate of encephalitis is also hyped. In the 1996 edition, it is quoted as occuring every 1 in 5000 cases, yet in the 2006 edition this has risen to 1 in 1000 cases.

11. The Health Protection Agency (HPA) say that all deaths from measles in England and Wales since 1940 were in 'older people', except for one child death in 1992 and one death of a boy with a lung disease. Since the antibodies from MMR vaccine only last about 5 years, according to the journal Vaccine, vaccinating children is dangerous as it leaves them open to getting measles at an older age when the disease is more serious, so the vaccine programme may be contributing to the adult deaths - http://www.tinyurl.com/r2kd8n and http://www.tinyurl.com/py8csj

12. Vaccines can cause the diseases they were supposed to immunise against. The American Thoracic Society reported in a press release on 19 May 2009 that children who had had the flu vaccine were THREE TIMES MORE LIKELY to be hospitalised than those who hadn't. The Journal of Pediatrics also reported that children who had the hib vaccine had an INCREASED risk of getting hib in the week following vaccination - Pediatrics, 1990 Apr;85 (4 PT 2):698-704. According to Dr. Kari Simonsen, one in five people who are vaccinated with DPT containing vaccines still go on to develop whooping cough. Not all unvaccinated children will get whooping cough, so the vaccine may be totally ineffective.

13.Vaccines can cause serious side-effects and even death. According to a Wyeth data sheet for Pediacel 5 in 1 vaccine, 1 in 10,000 children will have difficulty breathing after vaccination. Less than 1 in 1000 will have a seizure or become less responsive. The NHS website says that 1 in 1000 children will have a seizure after MMR vaccine. According to the CDC vaccine information statements, 'a vaccine..could cause serious problems, such as a severe allergic reaction. The risk of a shot causing serious harm or death is extremely small.' Extremely small is not good enough for my child. The risk of death should be zero - www.wyeth.com, http://www.tinyurl.com/pwgpde and http://www.tinyurl.com/hhtdqf

14. The DOH deny vaccines cause autism but they fail to mention three cases in American courts where the court admitted that vaccination caused the autism and brain damage of Hannah Poling, Ben Zeller and Bailey Banks. Vaccine manufacturers also list autism as a side effect of vaccines, 'adverse events reported during post-approval use of Tripedia DTaP vaccine include ITP, SIDS, anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis, AUTISM, convulsion, encephalopathy, hypotonia, neuropathy, somnolence and apnea' - http://www.tinyurl.com/ol8422

jess227ny
by Member on Dec. 2, 2009 at 3:49 PM


Quoting YannysMummy:

Here is the text from my popular leaflet, 'NO, I don't vaccinate.  Here's why.'

I have made my decision. I am educated and have researched the issue fully. I don't want to be pressured, bullied or belittled. Please respect my right to choose. All of my sources of vaccine information come from reputable sources such as medical journals, vaccine manufacturers, the NHS, the CDC and respected healthcare practitioners.

1. Vaccines are made with toxic ingredients that don't promote health, such as 2-phenoxyethanol. According to the data sheet, 2-phenoxyethanol is 'harmful if swallowed, inhaled or absorbed through the skin. May cause reproductive defects. Severe eye and skin irritant' - emc.medicines.org and http://tinyurl.com/r8lnyd

2. The CDC pink book says that even vaccines listed as thimerosal free still have thimerosal in them, such as DTaP vaccine, HIB, DT, Hep A and B, influenza and meningococcal vaccines - http://tinyurl.com/25s65v

3. Although the CDC say trace amounts of thimerosal have 'no biological effect', vaccine manufacturers disagree. According to Merck, thimerosal is 'very toxic, inhalation, swallowing or absorption through the skin in very small amounts can cause considerable damage to health and may sometimes be lethal' - http://tinyurl.com/qctanp

4. According to an NHS training pack for immunisers, the new GSK swine flu vaccine contains thimerosal even though it was supposed to have been phased out for safety reasons - http://tinyurl.com/or2szq

5. According to all vaccine manufacturers, vaccines have never been tested to see if they affect fertility, cause cancer or mutate into other illnesses. For instance, the data sheet for pneumonia vaccine says 'has not been evaluated for any carcinogenic or mutagenic potential or impairment of fertility' - http://www.tinyurl.com/r4qfz3

6. Some vaccines are cultured on aborted foetal tissue which is a disrespectful use of human remains. MMR and varicella vaccines currently contain foetal tissue. Proponents of vaccination argue that the tissue was from decades ago and no new tissue has been used since, but this is untrue. New cell lines are being developed. The latest one was from 1995 and unborn baby's retinal (eye) tissue was used to create flu vaccines, a new TB vaccine as well as maleria, rabies and experimental HIV vaccines, according to an FDA document - http://www.tinyurl/op24br

7. Children produce antibodies to ALL ingredients in the vaccine, not just the viruses, so using foetal tissue in vaccines has caused some children to develop antibodies to their own brain tissue, as has been found in autistic children - Journal of Neuroimmunology, Instituto Gulbenkian de Ciencia, Observatorio da ciencia e do ensino superior, Portugal, July 23, 2004.

8. The polio vaccine is cultured on monkey kidney tissue. This was later found to contain Simian Virus 40 (SV40) which contaminated the polio vaccine and caused cancers. Despite this it was not withdrawn and the only safety measures that were put in place were monitoring the culture for 14 days to see if it turned cancerous and using tissue from the African Green Monkey instead of the Rhesus Monkey. However, SV40 has also been found in the African Green Monkey, according to the In Vitro medical journal. This tissue is now being used to make the new swine flu vaccine - http://www.tinyurl.com/oy9a3e and http://tinyurl.com/or2szq

9. The risks of diseases have been hyped up to promote vaccination. For instance, the 1985 version of the British National Formulary states on page 385 that 'since mumps and its complications are rarely serious there is little indication for routine use of a mumps vaccine.' This was repeated in the 1986 version, yet only two years later, MMR was introduced and mumps is now described as causing meningitis and sterility.

10. The DOH say that 1 in 15 children will have 'serious' side effects from measles, yet the 1996 version of 'Immunisation Against Infectious Disease' (the green book) says on page 125 ear infections and bronchitis occur in 1 in 15 cases. Neither of these conditions are 'serious'. The rate of encephalitis is also hyped. In the 1996 edition, it is quoted as occuring every 1 in 5000 cases, yet in the 2006 edition this has risen to 1 in 1000 cases.

11. The Health Protection Agency (HPA) say that all deaths from measles in England and Wales since 1940 were in 'older people', except for one child death in 1992 and one death of a boy with a lung disease. Since the antibodies from MMR vaccine only last about 5 years, according to the journal Vaccine, vaccinating children is dangerous as it leaves them open to getting measles at an older age when the disease is more serious, so the vaccine programme may be contributing to the adult deaths - http://www.tinyurl.com/r2kd8n and http://www.tinyurl.com/py8csj

12. Vaccines can cause the diseases they were supposed to immunise against. The American Thoracic Society reported in a press release on 19 May 2009 that children who had had the flu vaccine were THREE TIMES MORE LIKELY to be hospitalised than those who hadn't. The Journal of Pediatrics also reported that children who had the hib vaccine had an INCREASED risk of getting hib in the week following vaccination - Pediatrics, 1990 Apr;85 (4 PT 2):698-704. According to Dr. Kari Simonsen, one in five people who are vaccinated with DPT containing vaccines still go on to develop whooping cough. Not all unvaccinated children will get whooping cough, so the vaccine may be totally ineffective.

13.Vaccines can cause serious side-effects and even death. According to a Wyeth data sheet for Pediacel 5 in 1 vaccine, 1 in 10,000 children will have difficulty breathing after vaccination. Less than 1 in 1000 will have a seizure or become less responsive. The NHS website says that 1 in 1000 children will have a seizure after MMR vaccine. According to the CDC vaccine information statements, 'a vaccine..could cause serious problems, such as a severe allergic reaction. The risk of a shot causing serious harm or death is extremely small.' Extremely small is not good enough for my child. The risk of death should be zero - www.wyeth.com, http://www.tinyurl.com/pwgpde and http://www.tinyurl.com/hhtdqf

14. The DOH deny vaccines cause autism but they fail to mention three cases in American courts where the court admitted that vaccination caused the autism and brain damage of Hannah Poling, Ben Zeller and Bailey Banks. Vaccine manufacturers also list autism as a side effect of vaccines, 'adverse events reported during post-approval use of Tripedia DTaP vaccine include ITP, SIDS, anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis, AUTISM, convulsion, encephalopathy, hypotonia, neuropathy, somnolence and apnea' - http://www.tinyurl.com/ol8422

Wow very impressed....you are good!! I have to say this group is so informative. I too will not vax and I am 10000% confident in my decision, but it is so nice to know there are other educated Mom's out there that feel the same way. My family doesn't really bother me about it anymore they now trust I know what I'm talking about. As far as other Mom's though it's hard because they don't understand why I still BF and am somewhat strict with our eating habits. It's really all related. Anyway, I just want to say thank you to all the Mom's in this group!!

 

 

Thanks,

 

Jess

EBF, non-vaxing, co-sleeping, taking everyday as it comes, trying to make healthier choices and loving being a SAH Mommy to our amazing son, Maximilian born 1.15.08.

DieMutter
by New Member on Dec. 4, 2009 at 3:25 AM

First - This is an excellent compilation of vaccine research, and thank you so much for sharing! With your permission, I'd like to share this with others.

Second - There were 2 important links in your sourced research below that didn't work for me (I pointed out in red below). Can you provide the actual original URL, or if no longer available, is there a way to find it?

Quoting YannysMummy:

Here is the text from my popular leaflet, 'NO, I don't vaccinate.  Here's why.'

I have made my decision. I am educated and have researched the issue fully. I don't want to be pressured, bullied or belittled. Please respect my right to choose. All of my sources of vaccine information come from reputable sources such as medical journals, vaccine manufacturers, the NHS, the CDC and respected healthcare practitioners.

1. Vaccines are made with toxic ingredients that don't promote health, such as 2-phenoxyethanol. According to the data sheet, 2-phenoxyethanol is 'harmful if swallowed, inhaled or absorbed through the skin. May cause reproductive defects. Severe eye and skin irritant' - emc.medicines.org and http://tinyurl.com/r8lnyd

2. The CDC pink book says that even vaccines listed as thimerosal free still have thimerosal in them, such as DTaP vaccine, HIB, DT, Hep A and B, influenza and meningococcal vaccines - http://tinyurl.com/25s65v

3. Although the CDC say trace amounts of thimerosal have 'no biological effect', vaccine manufacturers disagree. According to Merck, thimerosal is 'very toxic, inhalation, swallowing or absorption through the skin in very small amounts can cause considerable damage to health and may sometimes be lethal' - http://tinyurl.com/qctanp

4. According to an NHS training pack for immunisers, the new GSK swine flu vaccine contains thimerosal even though it was supposed to have been phased out for safety reasons - http://tinyurl.com/or2szq

5. According to all vaccine manufacturers, vaccines have never been tested to see if they affect fertility, cause cancer or mutate into other illnesses. For instance, the data sheet for pneumonia vaccine says 'has not been evaluated for any carcinogenic or mutagenic potential or impairment of fertility' - http://www.tinyurl.com/r4qfz3

6. Some vaccines are cultured on aborted foetal tissue which is a disrespectful use of human remains. MMR and varicella vaccines currently contain foetal tissue. Proponents of vaccination argue that the tissue was from decades ago and no new tissue has been used since, but this is untrue. New cell lines are being developed. The latest one was from 1995 and unborn baby's retinal (eye) tissue was used to create flu vaccines, a new TB vaccine as well as maleria, rabies and experimental HIV vaccines, according to an FDA document - http://www.tinyurl/op24br

This link does not work for me, and is one that I'm most interested in... I have been looking for a good concrete source for the aborted fetal issue.


7. Children produce antibodies to ALL ingredients in the vaccine, not just the viruses, so using foetal tissue in vaccines has caused some children to develop antibodies to their own brain tissue, as has been found in autistic children - Journal of Neuroimmunology, Instituto Gulbenkian de Ciencia, Observatorio da ciencia e do ensino superior, Portugal, July 23, 2004.

8. The polio vaccine is cultured on monkey kidney tissue. This was later found to contain Simian Virus 40 (SV40) which contaminated the polio vaccine and caused cancers. Despite this it was not withdrawn and the only safety measures that were put in place were monitoring the culture for 14 days to see if it turned cancerous and using tissue from the African Green Monkey instead of the Rhesus Monkey. However, SV40 has also been found in the African Green Monkey, according to the In Vitro medical journal. This tissue is now being used to make the new swine flu vaccine - http://www.tinyurl.com/oy9a3e and http://tinyurl.com/or2szq

9. The risks of diseases have been hyped up to promote vaccination. For instance, the 1985 version of the British National Formulary states on page 385 that 'since mumps and its complications are rarely serious there is little indication for routine use of a mumps vaccine.' This was repeated in the 1986 version, yet only two years later, MMR was introduced and mumps is now described as causing meningitis and sterility.

10. The DOH say that 1 in 15 children will have 'serious' side effects from measles, yet the 1996 version of 'Immunisation Against Infectious Disease' (the green book) says on page 125 ear infections and bronchitis occur in 1 in 15 cases. Neither of these conditions are 'serious'. The rate of encephalitis is also hyped. In the 1996 edition, it is quoted as occuring every 1 in 5000 cases, yet in the 2006 edition this has risen to 1 in 1000 cases.

11. The Health Protection Agency (HPA) say that all deaths from measles in England and Wales since 1940 were in 'older people', except for one child death in 1992 and one death of a boy with a lung disease. Since the antibodies from MMR vaccine only last about 5 years, according to the journal Vaccine, vaccinating children is dangerous as it leaves them open to getting measles at an older age when the disease is more serious, so the vaccine programme may be contributing to the adult deaths - http://www.tinyurl.com/r2kd8n and http://www.tinyurl.com/py8csj

12. Vaccines can cause the diseases they were supposed to immunise against. The American Thoracic Society reported in a press release on 19 May 2009 that children who had had the flu vaccine were THREE TIMES MORE LIKELY to be hospitalised than those who hadn't. The Journal of Pediatrics also reported that children who had the hib vaccine had an INCREASED risk of getting hib in the week following vaccination - Pediatrics, 1990 Apr;85 (4 PT 2):698-704. According to Dr. Kari Simonsen, one in five people who are vaccinated with DPT containing vaccines still go on to develop whooping cough. Not all unvaccinated children will get whooping cough, so the vaccine may be totally ineffective.

13.Vaccines can cause serious side-effects and even death. According to a Wyeth data sheet for Pediacel 5 in 1 vaccine, 1 in 10,000 children will have difficulty breathing after vaccination. Less than 1 in 1000 will have a seizure or become less responsive. The NHS website says that 1 in 1000 children will have a seizure after MMR vaccine. According to the CDC vaccine information statements, 'a vaccine..could cause serious problems, such as a severe allergic reaction. The risk of a shot causing serious harm or death is extremely small.' Extremely small is not good enough for my child. The risk of death should be zero - www.wyeth.com, http://www.tinyurl.com/pwgpde and http://www.tinyurl.com/hhtdqf

I could not get the second link to work. I'm assuming that was for the CDC reference?


14. The DOH deny vaccines cause autism but they fail to mention three cases in American courts where the court admitted that vaccination caused the autism and brain damage of Hannah Poling, Ben Zeller and Bailey Banks. Vaccine manufacturers also list autism as a side effect of vaccines, 'adverse events reported during post-approval use of Tripedia DTaP vaccine include ITP, SIDS, anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis, AUTISM, convulsion, encephalopathy, hypotonia, neuropathy, somnolence and apnea' - http://www.tinyurl.com/ol8422


suschi
by Member on Dec. 4, 2009 at 10:50 AM

Does she collect the vax status of EVERY SINGLE ADULT her child comes in contact with?  Is she aware that most children who get whooping cough catch it from an OLDER FAMILY MEMBER?

 

"Fear kills more people than death."   General George Patton

ResearchQueen
by Member on Dec. 4, 2009 at 11:03 AM

Why?

Quoting SandiElder:

I'm currently trying to defend my decision to my family not to vax my daughter.

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