Being swayed to vax for certain shots.

[mommysuperwoman]

Hi guys,

I havent vaxed at all with my daughter angelina.  She has had the whooping cough, coxsackie. h1n1 and recovered from them.  But i am really frightened cause i heard the mumps are going around in my area.  Do anyone selective vax and if so what do you do?  I was considering giving my daughter the polio vax and tenantus just because we live near farm animals and stuff.  She seems to be catching everything that is going around.  Any advice please.  Have you heard of the polio or tenatus shot doing any damage? 

anixety stricten mom right now.  Please help.

[YannysMummy]

Why are you frightened of mumps?  It's so mild, it's one of the mildest illnesses there are next to a cold.  The UK's British National Formulary for 1985 and 1986 said 'Since mumps and its complications are rarely serious, there is little indication for routine use of a mumps vaccine' (p. 385).  Yet only 2 years later in 1988 they brought the MMR to the UK.

I had mumps when I was a kid, it was no big deal.  I got a sore throat and a swollen neck, it hurt to turn my head and hurt to swallow or eat hard stuff for a week so I ate ice cream to sooth it.  I stayed off school for a week, watched films and ate ice cream.  It was fun! 

[nessy1980]

Ok before you give your daughter these vaccines ask yourself this have you recieved your tetanus boosters? because I havent since I was a child and now im a adult im fine. Think of this if vaccines are soooo important why arent adults made to get them too? Ive been to the doctor many times and Ive never been asked to get a booster on my vaccines. Mumps arent that bad our parents and grandparents got them and they are fine. My father did get the measles and got the measles behind his eye which made him need glasses. As for the polio unless you are going to a 3rd world country I wouldnt be worried. I know that all vaccines have mercury in them. Ok I just looked up what tetanus vaccine has and here it is Aluminum,saline solution,formaldehyde,mercury, cow serum. Its called the DTAP or DTP My oldest had a welp on his arm, I thought someone punched him and when I took him to his pediatrician, I was told its normal. Im like getting welp on the area is normal hmmmm kay. I got the ingrediants from the doctors sears book. 

[tnick]

Most of the women in this group have felt that anxiety at one point.  The only cases of polio in this country recently to my knowledge were caused by the vaccine.  As far as mumps, they are no big deal at all.  They just like to scare the crap out of everyone with false information.  Tetanus is caused by infection with the bacteria Clostridium tetani. These bacteria are common in the soil, but are quickly killed by oxygen.   Given this fact it isn't as easy to contract as they would like you to believe.  If your child was to receive a deep puncture wound from an item that had just been pulled from the ground it would be a concern.   You can always get the immunoglobulin wich contains the antibodies.   Once I found it was so easily killed by exposure to air, my concerns vanished.  Hope this info does the same for you. I also highly recommend a daily vitamin that contains probiotics and extra vit c and d3 supplements during the winter months.  A natural food store or an all natural online one are the best places to get vitamins.  The usual mainstream brands have more sugar and food coloring than candy in many cases. I have found the vitamins to make a very big difference in the level of illness we deal with. Hope this is helpful in relieving some of your anxiety.

[happytexasCM]

Mumps: "Though it is well recognized that mumps is generally harmless and that natural infection confers permanent immunity, the ocasional severe complication led to the use of the mumps vaccine." (Romm, 63) What complication does everyone consider when thinking of mumps? Orchitis, the inflamation of a testies that may cause sterility in post pubesent males. The incidence of this is so rare that there are no statistics, and as Dr. Mendelsohn said, a male with one testicle can populate the whole world.

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DTaPIn the United States, tetanus is primarily a disease of older adults. Persons greater than or equal to 50 years of age now account for over 70% of reported cases. An average of 43 people per year contract Tetanus and there are 0-2 deaths out of a population of 301,139,947 (over 300 MILLION) in the US. (In comparison (FEMA) estimates there are 200 deaths and 750 severe injuries from lightning each year in the U.S.). A Tetanus vax at time of injury is supposed to be a booster to those current on vax and TIG (tetanus immunoglobulin) is for the unvaxed.

From 1992 through 2000 (9 years), 15 cases of tetanus in children <15 years of age were reported from 11 states. Two cases were in neonates <10 days of age;the other 13 cases were in children who ranged in age from 3to 14 years. The median length of hospitalization was 28 days; 8 children required mechanical ventilation. There were no deaths. (I don't have info on their state of health or wound care).

It is not the rust that causes tetanus, so a rusty nail in and of itself is not the issue. Tetanus needs an anaerobic environment to thrive. A wound that has bled is not typically that environment. Keep it clean and covered.

"Keep in mind that the tetanus vaccine became available for widespread civilian use in the late 1940's. Thus tetanus mortality had declined from 205 deaths per 100,000 wounds in the American Civil War (1860) to about .4 deaths per 100,000 population in 1947 at the beginning of widespread civilian use of the vaccine. This means that sanitation, nutrition, year around nutritional improvements, general hygiene, and wound hygiene had reduced the mortality and incidence of tetanus by as much as 99.8 percent before the widespread use of tetanus vaccine." Hilary Butler 89wds


http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/medical/clostridium_tetani.htm
http://www.textbookofbacteriology.net/clostridia.html
Clostridium tetani: the bacterial species that causes tetanus; it produces a potent exotoxin (neurotoxin) that is intensely toxic for humans horses, and other animals when formed in tissues or injected, but not when ingested. The organism is found in soil, especially heavily-manured soils, and in the intestinal tracts and feces of various animals. Carrier rates in humans vary from 0 to 25%

Tetanus as a clinical entity is linked to a bacteria, Clostridium tetani. Obviously, the germ is not as malicious as one may think because it lives as a harmless commensal in the animal and human intestinal tract (1). It is not the very presence of the bacteria which causes the trouble, but the toxins that are produced by the bacteria under anaerobic conditions, that is, where the bacteria operates in an environment free of oxygen. These toxins can be spread through the blood vessels and finally affect the nervous system causing tetanic muscle contraction and pain.

The causative bacterium Clostridium tetani is a hardy organism capable of living many years in the soil in a form called a spore. Tetanus occurs when a wound becomes contaminated with bacterial spores. Infection follows when spores become activated and develop into gram-positive bacteria that multiply and produce a very powerful toxin (poison) that affects the muscles. Tetanus spores are found throughout the environment, usually in soil, dust, and animal waste. The usual locations for the bacteria to enter your body are puncture wounds, such as those caused by rusty nails, splinters or insect bites. Burns, any break in the skin, and IV drug access sites are also potential entryways for the bacteria Tetanus is acquired through contact with environment; it is not transmitted from person to person. http://www.emedicinehealth.com/tetanus/article_em.htm


Caring for a puncture wound
Several times a day for four or five days, soak the wound in warm water. Use a bathtub or basin if the wound is on the foot or leg. Soaking helps clean the wound from the inside out.

Monitor carefully for signs of infection. Because puncture wounds go deep, an infection may not become visible for several days after the injury.

When to seek immediate medical help
When the wound becomes infected. Signs of infection include pus, increased pain, swelling, redness, tenderness, a sensation of warmth or visible redness radiating from the wound, or a fever of 100 degrees F or more.

http://iier.isciii.es/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00000940.htm

Treatment of Tetanus

http://www.healthscout.com/ency/68/291/main.html#TreatmentofTetanus

Immune globulin, given intramuscularly, is the immediate treatment of unimmunized individuals exposed to material likely to contain the tetanus bacteria. Treatment includes bed rest and quiet conditions. Immune globulin (also called gamma globulin or immune serum globulin) is a substance made from human blood plasma. The plasma, processed from donated human blood, contains antibodies that protect the body against diseases. When you are given an immune globulin, your body uses antibodies from other people's blood plasma to help prevent illness.

Sedation, paralysis with certain medications, and mechanical ventilation (i.e., respirator) may be necessary to control the spasms.
Antimicrobial drugs, such as penicillin, are used to eradicate the bacteria.


Recovery
For patients who survive tetanus, recovery can be long (1 to 2 months) and burdensome. Muscle spasms may begin to decrease after 10 to 14 days and disappear after another week or so. Residual weakness, stiffness, and other complaints may persist for a prolonged period, but complete recovery can occur from uncomplicated tetanus.
Patients with tetanus are hospitalized in an intensive care unit until it is clear that the progression of the disease has stabilized at a level that does not interfere with vital functions, and that therapy can be managed outside the unit.


There are four forms of tetanus immunization.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002031.htm
The DTaP vaccine is a "3-in-1" vaccine that protects against diphtheria, pertussis, and tetanus. It can be given to children less than 7 years old. It is injected, usually into the arm or the thigh. DTaP is a safer version of an older vaccine known as DTP, which is no longer used in the United States.
The DT vaccine is a "2-in-1" vaccine that can be given to children less than 7 years old. It does not contain pertussis vaccine, but does contain vaccine that protects against diphtheria and tetanus. It is injected, usually into the arm or thigh.
The Td vaccine is the "adult" vaccine. It is a "2-in-1" vaccine that protects against tetanus and diphtheria. It contains a slightly different dose of diphtheria vaccine than the DT vaccine. It can be given to anyone older than 7 years old. It is injected, usually into the arm.
A booster Td vaccine should be given at ages 11-12. Older children who need a booster Td vaccine at ages 11 or 12 should receive the tetanus toxoid, reduced diphtheria toxoid and acellular pertussis (Tdap) vaccine. Older children between age 11 and 18 who have not already recieved a TD booster vaccine should receive the new Tdap vaccine.
Instead of the standard Td booster every 10 years, adults between the ages of 19 and 65 should receive Tdap one time.
Tetanus vaccine (T vaccine) can be given as a single vaccine, but this is not generally available. It is also injected, usually into the arm.
Tetanus immune globulin is not actually a vaccine. It is a preparation that is made from serum (part of the blood) from a person or animal (such as a horse) that contains antibodies against tetanus.
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[happytexasCM]

http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/?page_id=26

Quote:

Poliomyelitis, often called polio or infantile paralysis, is an acute viral infectious disease spread from person to person, primarily via the fecal-oral route. Although around 90% of polio infections have no symptoms at all, affected individuals can exhibit a range of symptoms if the virus enters the blood stream. In fewer than 1% of cases the virus enters the central nervous system preferentially infecting and destroying motor neurons leading to muscle weakness and acute flaccid paralysis. Different types of paralysis may occur, depending on the nerves involved. Spinal polio is the most common form, characterized by asymmetric paralysis that most often involves the legs. Bulbar polio leads to weakness of muscles innervated by cranial nerves. Bulbospinal polio is a combination of bulbar and spinal paralysis.

Sister Elizabeth Kenny, developed a physical therapy treatment for limbs affected by paralysis where hot woolen blankets were applied to the limbs and the muscles were stretched by massage; she is considered to be the founder of modern physical therapy.

Read here:
http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=356355
http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=252526
http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showpost.php?p=5149286&postcount=4

http://www.mothering.com/discussions/forumdisplay.php?f=113

From Neil Z. Miller's book
Nutritional deficiencies: A poor diet has also been shown to increase susceptibility to polio [25]. In 1948, during the height of the polio epidemics, Dr. Benjamin Sandler, a nutritional expert at the Oteen Veterans' Hospital, documented a relationship between polio and an excessive use of sugars and starches. He compiled records showing that countries with the highest per capita consumption of sugar, such as the United States, Britain, Australia, Canada, and Sweden (with over 100 pounds per person per year) had the greatest incidence of polio [26]. In contrast, polio was practically unheard of in China (with its sugar use of only 3 pounds per person per year) [26].
Dr. Sandler claimed that sugars and starches lower blood sugar levels causing hypoglycemia, and that phosphoric acid in soft drinks strips the nerves of proper nourishment. Such foods dehydrate the cells and leech calcium from the body. A serious calcium deficiency precedes polio [26-29]. Weakened nerve trunks are then more likely to malfunction and the victim loses the use of one or more limbs [26:146].
Researchers have always known that polio strikes with its greatest intensity during the hot summer months. Dr. Sandler observed that children consume greater amounts of ice cream, soft drinks, and artificially sweetened products in hot weather. In 1949, before the polio season began, he warned the residents of North Carolina, through the newspapers and radio, to decrease their consumption of these products. That summer, North Carolinians reduced their intake of sugar by 90 percentCand polio decreased by the same amount! The North Carolina State Health Department reported 2,498 cases of polio in 1948, and 229 cases in 1949 (data taken from North Carolina State Health Department figures) [26:146;29].
One manufacturer shipped one million less gallons of ice cream during the first week alone following the publication of Dr. Sandler's anti-polio diet. Soft drink sales were down as well. But the powerful Rockefeller Milk Trust, which sold frozen products to North Carolinians, combined forces with soft drink business leaders and convinced the people that Sandler's findings were a myth and the polio figures a fluke. By the summer of 1950 sales were back to previous levels and polio cases returned to "normal" [26:146;29].

[buzymamaof3]

You've been given great info already, I just wanted to add that yes, my dd had a reaction to the Dtap.  She had the high pitch screaming and high fever for several days.  My peds wrote me off as a neurotic (sp?) first time mother who was just paranoid.  My nephew also had a reaction to the Dtap, he had a huge lump under his arm for weeks, it was very large and hard and very painful.  my dd also had this, but in her thigh.  My nephew also broke out with measles after the mmr.  My children will NEVER receive a vax again.  I would suggest that you do some more reading into these diseases and vaccines and weigh out the risks and benefits.

[rabbit4]

yes, keep reading and your fears will diminish.  my thoughts on the ones you mentioned:  tetanus was one of the last ones i crossed off my list.  because it was only available in a combination shot, i wasn't willing to consider it.  i was worried about tetanus until i realized that if my son were to get a deep cut that worried me, i could take him to the ER and get a shot directly into the surface of the wound.  much easier decision.  polio was the first marked off my list because there hasn't been a wild case of polio in this country for something like 20 years.  my sister-in-law said, "but it's only a plane ride away."  but what are the chances that her kid is going to come in contact with someone who just got off a plane from india, has polio (but is well enough and wealthy enough for international travel) and has a reason to be in small town southern maryland shopping at target?  i don't have many thoughts on the mumps.  i just know my mom had it and said everyone used to get it when she was little and it was no big deal.  think of it this way, would you rather take the known, documented risk of an illness that you know how to treat and recover from or take the unknown risk of getting the shot and seeing what happens?  hang in there.  it gets easier.   

[littlelambe]

And just a side note on tetnus....

If something bad happens to your daughter (eg, getting slashed by a rusty dirty old piece of metal) and you would feel better and safer with her getting the tetnus shot, note that the tetnus shot can be given AFTER the gash... So you really have a lot of wiggle room for this.

[mommysuperwoman]

thank you so much for your posts ladies.  I feel so much better about it.  I am hanging in there vax free.  It is truly amazing having such a great support system in this group.  Thank you for all the information and you guys truly calmed my anxiety.

gina

[mommysuperwoman]

thank you for your post.  it truly meant alot.