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New Yorkers Please Help!

Posted by on Jun. 26, 2010 at 3:18 PM
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My husband is in the Army and we are about to be stationed up at Fort Drum, NY.

I was trying to get some information for vaccine exemptions up there.  I don't intend on putting my son in a daycare but I am going to be attending a few college courses and if I can't find a in home sitter I will have to find a daycare. 

From what I found...I think they only give religious exemptions? The website I was looking at was really confusing so I was hoping someone in here has dealt with this already and could just tell me what to do.

Are they very strict on giving out exemptions? I know some states are more lenient then others. 

**Formula feeding(not by choice), non-vaxing, baby food making, cloth diapering, circumcising, babywearing, living as green as possible, SAHM to Bryson 8/11/09 and PROUD Army Wife to my best friend Brian.**


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DevynHummer
by on Jun. 26, 2010 at 10:06 PM

BUMP!

Cooper1220
by Member on Jun. 27, 2010 at 7:09 AM
I live in NJ. in private schools, like day care its hit or miss. I think NY is the same. Yes religious or medical exemption only. Good luck.
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happytexasCM
by Gold Member on Jun. 27, 2010 at 1:37 PM

I have military daycare infor as well.


Your religious beliefs can change, so you can exempt a previously vaxed child.  You could also pretend your child is not vaxed to make life easier.


Some states, like NY(contact Gary Krasner  for help -- On the NYS form they request that your letter:

-explains why are you are requesting the exemption
-describes the religious principles that guide your objection to vaxes
-indicates whether you are opposed to all vaxes, and if not, why you are opposed to some vaxes but not others

As long as your letter covered those 3 points then they shouldn't ask for any "supporting evidence".)


and NJ allow the state to question the sincerity of your beliefs; the following is VERY important.


 -For a religious exemption you need to be "against the practice of vaccination". If you give your reasons to be against vaccinations as:

"I'm against vaccination because they use aborted fetal cells" - This is a philosophical reason.

"I'm against pre-marital sex and some vaxes are for sexually transmitted diseases." This is a philosophical reason.

    Again, you have to be against the the practice of vaccination. For a more through explanation of why this is read the Wexler decision below.

-Also, you DO NOT have to be a member of a religion doctrinally opposed to vaccination. You can be Wiccan, Lutheran, Catholic, Jewish, church of the flip flops, and still claim a religious exemption do to your personal religious beliefs against the practice of vaccination. Dr. Mercola does a good job of explaining this in my Religious Exemptions link below (you may have to register to read it).

-One more thing, you do not want to include specific biblical verses as your interpretation could be challenged. You need to describe your personal religious beliefs.


-Require that all questions regarding your exemption be in writing and give answers in writing.  Do not give verbal responses.


How to Legally Avoid Vaccinations

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Religious Exemptions

The Wexler Decision

To find out what exemptions are offered by your state (for school and such) check here:
http://www.nvic.org/Vaccine-Laws/state-vaccine-requirements.aspx

http://www.novaccine.com/law-exemptions/


All states except West Virginia and Mississippi offer religious and/or philosophical exemptions, and the supreme court ruled that you do not have to belong to a non-vaxing religion or have clergy sign your religious exemption. Exemptions can be submitted in lieu of vaccination records (I would do it this way).


Quote:

State mandatory vaccination laws have their roots in the 1905 U.S. Supreme Court decision, Jacobsen v Massachusetts. A Swedish Lutheran pastor, Reverend Henning Jacobsen and his son objected to a law requiring revaccination with smallpox vaccine because they had suffered severe reactions to the first vaccination. The nine Supreme Court justices at the turn of the century denied Jacobsen and his lawyers the right to present scientific evidence for harm caused by the smallpox vaccine, preferring to believe the lawyers representing public health officials who convinced them that doctors could predict ahead of time who would be injured by vaccination.

100wds.


  A US Federal Court ruling (binding on NY only) that determined that you do not have to belong to a particular religion to use a religious exemption is:
Sherr v. Northport-East Northport Union Free Sch. Dist., 672 F. Supp. 81, 89-90 (E.D. N.Y. 1987)
http://www.vaclib.org/exempt/consent.htm

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/policies/downloads/vacc_mandates_chptr13.htm


"Just say that you believe God (I personally prefer the Universe, but it's best just to conform to the typical Judeo-Christian thing for the sake of getting it done) created us perfect and you believe that it is wrong and arrogant to believe we can improve upon God's perfect creation. Therefore, it would be a violation of your religious principle's to vaccinate your perfectly healthy children."

Sample Religious Exemption Letter (change the state law reference to your state):

Quote:
To whom it may concern;



(We / I) {First and Last name(s)}, as the {(parent (s) / guardian(s)} of ______________________(name of newborn child) are exercising (our/my) rights under the US Constitution, PUBLIC HEALTH LAW, ARTICLE 21. CONTROL OF ACUTE COMMUNICABLE DISEASES,TITLE VI. POLIOMYELITIS AND OTHER DISEASES, NY CLS Pub Health § 2164 (2002), to receive Religious Exemption from Vaccination, ALL injections, prophylaxis, & testing due to our genuine and sincere religious beliefs which are contrary to the practices herein required.

The U.S. Supreme Court held in  Frazee V. Illinois Dept. of Security, 489 U.S. 829,   that a religious belief is subject to protection even though no religious group espouses such beliefs or the fact that the religious group to which the individual professes to belong may not advocate or require such belief.  This ruling is also reflected in Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 as amended Nov. 1, 1980; Part 1605.1-Guidelines on Discrimination Because of Religion.



Sincerely,

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Jessmomto2
by Member on Jun. 28, 2010 at 7:52 AM

The above info is what you mostly need to know.  But yes only a religious or medical reason is allowed in NY, and you won't find a Dr here that will give you a medical exemption even if your kid meets the criteria for one.

For now we've chosen for me to be a SAHM and to begin homeschooling.  We'll deal with the religious exemption when the kids are in high school or if they ever go off to a camp that requires vaxing.  I truelly believe vaccines are NOT of God, and i waited to long to listen to him.

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