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  • rnbwbrite
  on Nov. 7, 2007 at 8:38 AM

• Why is it so diffcult to find evidence and hard proof of harm by vaccines?
  
  There simply has been NO studies properly done on the SOLE issues of side effects or long term effects of vaccines. No one has hard evidence b/c there isn't any to be had. The studies that are done are done on irrelevent things like how much Mercury is in each shot and if that much mercury is harmful. They forget to study the rest of the chemicals in teh shots and to test how harmful each one of those are alone and when mixed together or how this shot effects my child five, ten and fifteen years from now, and what effect it has getting one vaccine at a time vs. three or five, or if vaccinated children get sick more or less often than unvaccinated children. And all the studies that have been conducted are by the companies making the vaccines inthe first place - so they are a bit biased if you ask me. Not to mention that it is literally impossible to do a long term study on any one particular vaccine becasue the formulas used to produce them change VERY often (a great question is 'why do they?" Could it be due to the fact that there are so many negative side effects to each of them? Perhaps there is a better explaination.)
  To do a real study that actually got absolutely true results you would have to purposely not vaccinate a large amount of people over a very long period of time. The government really believes vaccines work and they believe that if they did choose not to vaccinate a large population then they would be sending them to slaughter, then they would be blamed for their deaths/illnesses. You would also have to have a study independant of any drug company that makes the vaccine. That requires funding and things that no one is really interested in using on vaccine research apparently (or else it would have been done by now). If suddenly a large population of people stopped vaccinating there would certainly be a sudden rise in the rates of incidence of the diseases which we would need to be prepared for. Doctors have not been trained to recognize or treat many of the illnesses that have been kept at bay by vaccines since before they were born so this might be a pretty serious issue (and this is also why you NEED to know the symptoms of the illnesses that your children are not vaccinated for - you can help the doctor to consider the possiblity of an illness he/she may never have seen or thought of, due to the fact that every other child they see is vaccinated against it.) 
  Some people believe that the goverment does know how dangerous vaccines are but is somehow tied to the billion-dollar medical industry. No one knows for sure but I can tell you that most every presidential candidate in the past has recieved campaign funding from pharmaceutical companies (Bush recieved $14 million for example). If someone gave you a whole bunch of money to help you out, would you start a crusade against them? Probably not. The medical industry spends billions of dollars a year in lobbying to get ceratin laws and regulations passed or overlooked, so the issue is up for debate.

   

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  • rnbwbrite
  on Nov. 10, 2007 at 4:43 PM

• My children recieve governmant assitance, don't they HAVE to recieve all their vaccines, or at least some of them?
  My husband is/I am in the military, aren't my children required to be up to date on their vaccines?
  
  No! Everyone has a right to refuse vaccines for their children. My son recieves Medicaid and does not recieve vaccines at all. 
  Military persons and some medical health professionals are required to recieve certain vaccines depending on their area of work and where they are required to travel. But their children are not required to have them at all.
  If you have been told by someone working ofr the state that you must have your chidlren vaccinated politely inform them that you are sure that you do not and furnish them with your notarized letter of exemption to keep on record. (I personally have a few copies notarized and ready to present should anyone ask.)

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  • happytexasCM
  on Jan. 26, 2008 at 8:59 PM
• Submitting an exemption for dependents to use military facilities in not so easy as it may be in the civilian world.  Here are some resources:
  
  DODEA Administrators Manual. On page 80 (section 18.2) covers vaccine exemptions.
   
  "18.2.1.3 Religious — A student’s parent/sponsor may claim exemption from the DoDEA immunization requirements for religious reasons. If the parent maintains the need to continue the religious exemption during a documented outbreak of a contagious disease, the student will be excluded from school for his/her protection and the safety of the other students until the contagious period is over. Religious exemptions require a written statement from the parent/sponsor stating that he/she objects to the vaccination based upon personal beliefs. "
  
  

  Quote:
  
  http://www.mothering.com/discussions/member.php?u=51507

   
  AFI 34-276 is the AFI that governs Family Child Care.
  
  http://www.e-publishing.af.mil/share.../AFI34-276.pdf
  
  "A5.40.3. The provider maintains medical information for each child, including permission to treat emergencies signed by the parent(s), child’s allergies, chronic illness and other known health prob-lems, and immunizations (or written documentation of parents’ objections for religious reasons). This information is recorded on the AF Form 1181, Youth Flight Patron Registration Form."
  
  It's on page 53 of the publication.
  
  
  

  Quote:
  
  http://www.e-publishing.af.mil/pubfiles/af/34/afi34-248/afi34-248.pdf
  
  AFI34-248 1 OCTOBER 1999 43
  Chapter 11
  HEALTH
  11.1. Health Protection. Protect the health of staff, children, and parents while they are in the program.
  Use Caring for Our Children: Health and Safety Guidelines for Out-of-Home Care as general guidance on
  health issues not covered by this instruction.
  11.2. Access. Limit the access of well children to children or adults with contagious illnesses.
  11.2.1. Do not provide care to children without immunizations required by Air Force policy unless it
  is an emergency.

  
  

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  http://www.vaccines.mil/documents/969r40_562.pdf
  
  2–6. Exemptions
  There are 2 types of exemptions from immunization: medical and administrative. Granting medical exemptions is a
  medical function that can only be validated by a health care professional. Granting administrative exemptions is a
  non–medical function, usually controlled by the individual’s unit commander....
  
  (3) Religious.
  (a) For Service personnel, immunization exemptions for religious reasons may be granted according to Service–
  specific policies to accommodate doctrinal religious beliefs. This is a command decision made with medical and
  chaplain advice.
  1. Requests for religious exemption must include name, rank, social security number (SSN), occupational specialty
  code or branch, and a description of the religious tenet or belief contrary to immunization. Army: (see AR 600–20,
  para 5–6). Air Force: Permanent exemptions for religious reasons will not be granted. The major command (MAJCOM)
  commander is the designated approval and revocation authority for temporary immunization exemptions. Coast
  Guard: CG–122 is the designated approval and revocation authority for temporary immunization exemptions.
  2. A military physician must counsel the applicant. The physician should ensure that the Service personnel is
  making an informed decision and should address, at a minimum, specific information about the diseases concerned;
  specific vaccine information including product constituents, benefits, and risks; and potential risks of infection incurred
  by unimmunized individuals.
  3. The commander must counsel the individual and recommend approval or denial of the exemption request, by
  endorsement. The commander must counsel that noncompliance with immunization requirements may adversely impact
  deployability, assignment, or international travel, and that the exemption may be revoked under imminent risk
  conditions. The commander, in making his or her recommendation, should consider the potential impact on the
  individual, the unit, and the mission.
  4. Forward exemption requests through command channels to the respective Service approval authority for decision.
  Individuals with active requests for religious exemption are temporarily deferred from immunizations pending outcome
  of their request. For USCG, forward through appropriate chain to G–WPM, via CG–1121.
  (b) Civilian employees submit religious–exemption requests to their supervisors. Such requests will be processed in
  accordance with 29 CFR 1605 and component and local policies.
  c. Bargaining units. Civilian personnel affected by this document who are members of bargaining units will be
  considered for exemption consistent with applicable personnel management policies.
  d. Other categories. Administrative or medical personnel will appropriately annotate electronic ITS with exemption
  codes denoting separation, permanent change of station, emergency leave, missing or prisoner of war, deceased, and
  other appropriate categories.
  

  
  
  
  
  

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  http://www.dodea.edu/foia/iod/pdf/1005_1.pdf
  
  If you go to page 80 section 18.2 it clearly states and outlines that military dependents have both medical and religious exemptions available to them. This document was written in Oct. of 2007 and is a DoDEA document so I don't know how they could deny the existance of exemptions.
  
  
  

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  • rnbwbrite
  on Feb. 28, 2008 at 12:45 PM
• What is a notarized letter of exemption and how do you get them?
  
  You write a leter of exemption yourself - or you print one from the internet (just google "Louisiana vaccination exemption forms"). You can bring it to your local notary (mine is in the Chase bank I go to) and have it notarized for free. It's just a stamp and a signature they put on it a the bottom. This should be enough documentation for most schools but some do require that you fill out a form that they have already drawn up. I would still make my own and request that they kep mine on file as well.

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  • rnbwbrite
  on Jun. 11, 2009 at 7:13 PM

• Do doctors recieve kickbacks for using vaccines?

  Yes - they sometimes do.

  Please see post:

  http://www.cafemom.com/group/4388/forums/read/9100435/Do_Docs_receive_incentives_to_vaccinate_patients_From_Dr_Sears

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