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Posted by on Dec. 9, 2012 at 10:37 AM
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Hello, I am new to this group. I always said I would vaccinate as long as my child did not have an adverse reaction that concerns me. My daughter is fully vaccinated. She never had an adverse reaction...... not even fussiness after vaccines. I never worried. For whatever reason with Fin I worried about getting him his first set of vaccines. He never received the Hep B vaccine at birth, nor did he receive vitamin K via injection. At his 2 month check-up I reluctantly agreed to the Pediarex and rotavirus vaccines. When pressing his care provider for more information I was only given vague incomplete information. He cried more than usual over the next few days (sometimes 30 minutes at a time). It was not a fussy cry either, it was high pitched scream. He did not want to nurse as much as usual.

I decided to allow him to receive his 4 month vaccines (Thursday). I was thinking that maybe I was overly worried, and that he was fine (not unusual for me). That night after he received his vaccines was horrible. He screamed and cried for over an hour. He is an amazing baby and hardly ever cries, so this very unusual for him. It was once again a high pitched scream that reminded me of how he screamed when receiving the vaccines. I couldn't get him to nurse, I just walked around our living room trying to calm him down. He finally passed out due to what I believe was exhaustion. Yesterday he seemed like he was getting better. Today he seems back to normal. He is back to squealing with delight instead of screaming and being fussy/not wanting to nurse.   

After this experience I am going to try to first, find a pediatrician that is more knowledgeable and accepting of parents that decide to delay/selective/no vax. Mine was no help. I was made to feel guilty when expressing concern. I am also going to delay anymore vaccines. I don't want to find out what happens next time. He seems to negatively react to the vaccines more so with each set. It is kind of scary.

Has anyone else experienced this? Can you share your story with me, and what you eventually decided to do? I am not going to lie, I  still very nervous about what happened. I am glad to see that he is going back to normal, but I am still anxious. We never had issues with Saylor. We are both concerned.  

Mommy to little Miss. Saylor, and little Mr. Finley. 

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dedicatedrider
by Bronze Member on Dec. 9, 2012 at 10:44 AM
This article mentions that high pitched screaming you referred to: http://www.mercola.com/article/vaccines/neurological_damage.htm
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mylovey
by on Dec. 9, 2012 at 11:39 AM

Thank you for the link. I am going to watch him carefully. He was acting so strange during that first night, and the day after. Today he seems to be back to his normal self. I know I had read that uncontrollable crying can be considered "normal", to me that indicates that something is wrong. Especially considering his personality.

Quoting dedicatedrider:

This article mentions that high pitched screaming you referred to: http://www.mercola.com/article/vaccines/neurological_damage.htm


Mommy to little Miss. Saylor, and little Mr. Finley. 

jellyphish
by Bronze Member on Dec. 9, 2012 at 11:51 AM
I didn't click on the link so I don't know if this is redundant, but screaming like that can be caused by encephalitis- brain swelling- which is commonly caused by vaccines.

Since the chemicals in vaccines can not be expelled by the body, they accumulate and it is very common for reactions to get worse with each subsequent vaccine.

I'm glad you're listening to your gut. I suggest you read up on vaccines before getting anymore. I like dr sears vaccine book, but you have to be able to sift through opinion. He offers great info, but his opinions and suggestions contradict a lot of his facts, so just stick to the facts.

There's a sticky link in this group, I believe, that offers info on accepting pediatricians.

Welcome. Good luck. And, on behalf of your son, thank you for trusting your instincts and researching more before getting more shots.
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emmy526
by New Owner on Dec. 9, 2012 at 2:25 PM
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Chances are good the screaming will get worse and worse with each subsequent round...you can always delay until you are comfortable with what you are doing, but you cannot undo the vaccines once they are given.  Here is a list of things to get you started in the right direction with researching this topic. Any more questions, please feel free to post ANY time, as we are a great group of mamas with lots of advice and soothing words of wisdom.  


here is a link to the inserts so you can see the poison they deem is "safe" to inject into your child

http://vactruth.com/vaccine-inserts/

Here are some questions to answer for yourself in deciding about vaccination:

1. Name of the disease
2. Description of the disease
3. Length of time from initial infection to end of all symptoms
4. Infectious period
5. Normal symptoms of the disease
6. Known serious consequences of the disease
7. Proportion of persons infected developing serious consequences
8. Transmission route of the disease
9. Prevalence of the disease
10. Treatments of the disease and efficacy of those treatments
11. Relevant research about the disease
12. Name of the vaccine
13. Company that makes the vaccine
14. Contents of the vaccine
14A. The significance of whether or not the vaccine is live
15. History of development of the vaccine
16. Known side-effects of the vaccine and rate of incidence of those side-effects
17. Possible side-effects not yet acknowledged by the vaccine maker
18. Relevant research into the vaccine
19. How effective is the vaccine at preventing the disease?
20.What is the vaccine meant to do? (Many vaccines are not meant to prevent infection or transmission).
21.Number of cases reported each year.
22.Number of deaths reported each year from the vaccine and natural disease.

Here are some sources to help you out:

Vaccines: The Risks, The Benefits, The Choices 1/18 DVD, By Sherri J. TENPENNY-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OORHqEedtUY



http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/mmwr_wk.html (download the current issue)

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/pink-chapters.htm

http://vaers.hhs.gov/pdf/PackageInserts.pdf

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7018835240451107552&q

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6351515212287981735&hl=en

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/G/cases&deaths.pdf


WHO GRAPH-http://apps.who.int/immunization_monitoring/en/globalsummary/timeseries/tsincidencepol.htm


Beyond Conformity Resources Page- http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/resources

Do you have a quick-fire summary?- http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/questions#

Inside Vaccines- http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/

http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/

http://het.sagepub.com/content/early/2011/05/04/0960327111407644.full.pdf+html
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/G/cases&deaths.pdf

http://vaers.hhs.gov/index

http://www.thinktwice.com/sids.htm

BEXi
by Member on Dec. 10, 2012 at 1:32 PM

My boys have been vaccinated up to 1 year and 6 months. Like you, I had a pediatrician that didnt bother explaining the ingredients, side effects, etc. Just stick em and say "give them tylenol". Even when asked, I was only reassured that the vaccines were safe and effective. Really? Tell that to the children who have died due to vaccine injury. Thats when I got curious and decided to research myself. My SO researched with me for who knows how long. We not only researched vaccines, but we researched how to boost our immune systems naturally without toxic chemicals. Even though the ingredients made my stomach turn, the DENIAL of vaccine injury is what sickened me the most. IMO- it's all for profit and control but I dont judge what others decide what's best for their family..

Proud2BWeird
by Member on Dec. 10, 2012 at 9:51 PM
Don't you love the way high-pitched screaming, a cardinal sign of brain swelling, is considered a "normal" vaccine reaction?

Why don't people see how indicative that is?
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mylovey
by on Dec. 11, 2012 at 7:32 AM

Yes, for now he will not be receiving any vaccines. When he was first born I looked into alternative schedules, in particular ones that delay vaccines until age 2. I am starting to think that delaying till that age, and then adding select vaccines would be best. At least though now I will have time to make that decision. I looked into vaccines with my daughter, and then again when I was pregnant. After Fin reacting this way I want to really look into it. 

Quoting jellyphish:

I didn't click on the link so I don't know if this is redundant, but screaming like that can be caused by encephalitis- brain swelling- which is commonly caused by vaccines.

Since the chemicals in vaccines can not be expelled by the body, they accumulate and it is very common for reactions to get worse with each subsequent vaccine.

I'm glad you're listening to your gut. I suggest you read up on vaccines before getting anymore. I like dr sears vaccine book, but you have to be able to sift through opinion. He offers great info, but his opinions and suggestions contradict a lot of his facts, so just stick to the facts.

There's a sticky link in this group, I believe, that offers info on accepting pediatricians.

Welcome. Good luck. And, on behalf of your son, thank you for trusting your instincts and researching more before getting more shots.


Mommy to little Miss. Saylor, and little Mr. Finley. 

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