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Posted by on Jan. 2, 2013 at 2:43 AM
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Please pardon any spelling/grammar errors or difficult to understand parts, or longwindedness. I'm mobile and in the middle of an anxiety attack, and I just need your help.
I truly believe not vaxing is the healthiest route to take. I feel very strongly about not vaxing, but I don't have much knowledge to feel entirely confident. I'm panicking, because my son's 9 month well-baby is coming up and vaxing is going to come up because I refused the 6 month shots and said I wanted to hold off. Pedi and I talked a little. He's not going to kick us out if we don't but "would prefer his kids vaxed." He doesn't seem to know very much about vaccines, which freaked me out even more than him not knowing much about not vaxing. He "doesn't check titers" and seemed to not really know about checking them, and he "doesn't think he can order the vaccines separately" if I wanted them separate. He gave me his "top 3" vaxes to get, one of which was the mmr because it can kill kids- and recently a distant family member who doesn't vax told me the cdc website lists autism as a known side effect of the mmr. I haven't checked that yet for myself though. I remember learning in biology about the body's immune system and vaccines, and how getting a shot messes with immune system because it bypasses primary and secondary responses. At the time I found it weird but brushed it off because I then learned about herd immunity. I am so terrified of making this decision. I'm so not comfortable with vaccines (and I myself got every vax except chicken pox). But I am so afraid of my son being the one to catch some outdated illness and dying/being seriously maimed because I chose not to get him vaxed. Plus, I'm afraid of being pushed to vax because I don't argue my point well enough or have enough "good reasons." I'm not afraid to argue bf or erf, because I know those are best. But I'm at a complete loss when it comes to this. I feel in my heart I shouldn't get him vaxed (anymore than he has been) but I need more than just a feeling backed up by small arguments. I need to KNOW I'm making the right choice either way. And I need help because I'm panicking and having an anxiety attack and all I know is I'm going to be told to do my research but I don't know how or where to look... Help me. Someone. Anyone.
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nicki.hemingway
by Bronze Member on Jan. 2, 2013 at 6:18 AM

First off breathe we'll try to help you anyway we can here.

Second, I'd start by heading over to the CDC's website and pulling up the ingredient list and full side effect list from their website.  Familiarize yourself with the ingredients.  There is no shame in using google to look up an ingredient that you don't know what it is. 

Third, look up the actual symptoms of the illness that the vaccine is set to prevent.  Many are mild or the symptoms are overstated.  For example polio is very very mild for most people and only 1% or so gets the symptoms that doctors use to scare parents.  Of those 1% most will recover with no issues.  The WHO websie will give you current stats on just how many cases of illnesses are out there and how many are in this country.  For example diptheria is very very rare if you live in the US, but more common in places without running water. 

Fourth, head over to VAERS and look at the # of reported reactions in the last year or so for the vaccine you are considering giving.  Some vaccines do have a risk of death that a doctor will try to tell you is less common than it really is. 

Just keep calm and educate yourself as much as you can.  You can always catch up if you choose to vaccinate later, but you can never take a vaccine back once given.  My son had a very severe vaccine reaction and there isn't a day that goes by that I wish I could take it back.  


emmy526
by New Owner on Jan. 2, 2013 at 6:36 AM

Another thing to tell your dr is your'e still going to delay further, until you've educated yourself some more on the issue..if he asks what kind of materials you're reading, tell him CDC, FDA, and other science digests on the issue, and ask him for refs on some.  My first son had such bad reactions to his vaccines, and this was back in '87, when he only got the DPT, and oral polio....denial was the first thing the dr had for us.  He got sicker and sicker his first year, to the point i hardly remember him being in good health, which is sad.  Excema all over, worsened with every vaccine, and at two, i said no more... by this time, i was reading the physician desk ref's, as there was no internet back then, and i had to rely on the library, and ordering books, mags, etc...There are many many wonderful links thruout this group, and i urge you to look thru them, and gain some insight on these diseases, which are pretty benign in healthy children, and the fearmongering, bullying and scare tactics mainstream media uses to sway the masses of people.   Stay away from mainstream media stories, as they are very biased, full of fearmongering, vaccine pushing, and lies, and pharma most likely paid for their printing.  Please keep posting any questions you have.  In my 25yrs as a mom, with kids in school, i haven't had to deal with any of the diseases, and my kids were never kept out of school due to an outbreak.  

micheledo
by Bronze Member on Jan. 2, 2013 at 7:19 AM
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My first suggestion (besides RELAX!!) is to just decide to delay.  We choose to delay until our son was 2 years old.  That gave me plenty of time to breathe and research.  It also was much easier to walk in and tell my doctor we are delaying. 

THEN, start researching.  First of all, check out the vaccines he suggests.  If you come to the conclusion he doesn't even need this, you are just going to be even more solid on your decision. 

You'll do fine.  This group is a huge help and there is SO much information out there to help you with this.

emmy526
by New Owner on Jan. 2, 2013 at 7:23 AM


here is a link to the inserts so you can see the poison they deem is "safe" to inject into your child

http://vactruth.com/vaccine-inserts/

Here are some questions to answer for yourself in deciding about vaccination:

1. Name of the disease
2. Description of the disease
3. Length of time from initial infection to end of all symptoms
4. Infectious period
5. Normal symptoms of the disease
6. Known serious consequences of the disease
7. Proportion of persons infected developing serious consequences
8. Transmission route of the disease
9. Prevalence of the disease
10. Treatments of the disease and efficacy of those treatments
11. Relevant research about the disease
12. Name of the vaccine
13. Company that makes the vaccine
14. Contents of the vaccine
14A. The significance of whether or not the vaccine is live
15. History of development of the vaccine
16. Known side-effects of the vaccine and rate of incidence of those side-effects
17. Possible side-effects not yet acknowledged by the vaccine maker
18. Relevant research into the vaccine
19. How effective is the vaccine at preventing the disease?
20.What is the vaccine meant to do? (Many vaccines are not meant to prevent infection or transmission).
21.Number of cases reported each year.
22.Number of deaths reported each year from the vaccine and natural disease.

Here are some sources to help you out:

Vaccines: The Risks, The Benefits, The Choices 1/18 DVD, By Sherri J. TENPENNY-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OORHqEedtUY



http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/mmwr_wk.html (download the current issue)

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/pink-chapters.htm

http://vaers.hhs.gov/pdf/PackageInserts.pdf

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7018835240451107552&q

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6351515212287981735&hl=en

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/G/cases&deaths.pdf


WHO GRAPH-http://apps.who.int/immunization_monitoring/en/globalsummary/timeseries/tsincidencepol.htm


Beyond Conformity Resources Page- http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/resources

Do you have a quick-fire summary?- http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/questions#

Inside Vaccines- http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/

http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/

http://het.sagepub.com/content/early/2011/05/04/0960327111407644.full.pdf+html
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/G/cases&deaths.pdf

http://vaers.hhs.gov/index

http://www.thinktwice.com/sids.htm

jellyphish
by Bronze Member on Jan. 2, 2013 at 9:33 AM
Among what everyone else has said, I'd just like to point out that measles, mumps, and rubella all used to be childhood diseases that were common and, I believe, used to be sought out like chicken pox. Yup, it can kill- when untreated and severe, just like every other disease ever.
Do you know that prevention and treatment of measles is vitamin a?

My point is, it sounds like your dr is using scare tactics already, and if it were me, I'd search out another more educated and ethical ped I was comfy with. GL!
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jellyphish
by Bronze Member on Jan. 2, 2013 at 9:34 AM
Oh, and what an ass, drs don't test titers, blood labs do. You should be able to go to a blood lab and ask for a titer.
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graycalico
by on Jan. 2, 2013 at 5:20 PM
I would just tell him you are delaying for now until you know more about it. I still say that at our appts and my son is 16 months. They don't bug me about it so far.
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kmugs
by Member on Jan. 2, 2013 at 9:53 PM

Posting to remind you to breath and to cheer you on as you tell your doctor you want to delay.

I think the advice above is spot on; do not vax until (if) you feel it is the best decision and that takes time to figure out.

Is a 9 month well baby visit necessary?  Just asking - here we have them at 6 months and then not until 12 months...  You can just postone the visit until you feel a little less anxiety prone.

One last thing - if your partner is on board with delaying vaccines, bring him to the appointment.  Some doctors are less likely to give parents a hard time when there are 2 of them in the room.

Mschrissy007
by Member on Jan. 3, 2013 at 7:09 AM
First off let me start off by saying RELAX, and that everyone single lady here will help you in any way possible! This forum is the BEST WHEN IT COMES TO ADVICE AND SUPPORT. I too was feeling the same way especially when it was coming to my daughters 12mth well visit, I told the dr that the moment I'm choosing not vaccinate and he questioned me and my faith. I felt so upset because I didn't feel like I gave good enough facts BUT as soon as I got home I prayed and also came to the forum and spoke with ALOT of great women who not only supported me but have continued to guide me thru the process! I HAVE FAITH THAT EVERYTHING WILL WORK OUT FOR THE BEST:) and there's nothing wrong with you delaying till you feel certain about your OWN RESEARCH.



With the ancient is wisdom; and in length of days understanding. (Job 12:12 KJV)
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emmy526
by New Owner on Jan. 3, 2013 at 7:14 AM

you should have told him right then and there it's against the Constitution to ask you about your faith, and said no more to him about it.  

Quoting Mschrissy007:

First off let me start off by saying RELAX, and that everyone single lady here will help you in any way possible! This forum is the BEST WHEN IT COMES TO ADVICE AND SUPPORT. I too was feeling the same way especially when it was coming to my daughters 12mth well visit, I told the dr that the moment I'm choosing not vaccinate and he questioned me and my faith. I felt so upset because I didn't feel like I gave good enough facts BUT as soon as I got home I prayed and also came to the forum and spoke with ALOT of great women who not only supported me but have continued to guide me thru the process! I HAVE FAITH THAT EVERYTHING WILL WORK OUT FOR THE BEST:) and there's nothing wrong with you delaying till you feel certain about your OWN RESEARCH.



With the ancient is wisdom; and in length of days understanding. (Job 12:12 KJV)


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