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With my previous 2 pregnancies, I had the Rhogam shot, since my blood type is O- and my husband is B positive.  Anyway, I'm considering getting pregnant again and I don't want to get it.  My feeling is that it really isn't necessary.   Anyone have any info or opinions on this? 

by on Feb. 1, 2013 at 1:25 PM
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DragonBoy2012
by Member on Feb. 3, 2013 at 9:20 AM
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I too am concerned.....why to docs push @28wks....???

I am rH -, DH is+, DS is +

Why cant the docs check on my blood titers?? That is...PRIOR to giving the 28wk shot? Isnt it absurd, considering this shot is supposedly very costly~$500.

I also am aware that the shot contains other people blood,....that concerns me.

I fought really hard, to NOT have the28 wk shot...i told my doc+ his nurses they should draw a blood titer FIRST and if i was producing antibodies THEN AND ONLY THEN, rhogham. I. Was sioo peeved at this doctor(for other things as well) that i actually called Merck and spoke DIRECTLY WITH SOME science/lab guy who actually listened to my fuming and ranting and yhe dude actually agreed the 28 week shot is a "preventivr measure that alot of docs push. Duh, theyarejust taught that in medical school, if only they could/would take a step back and think outside of their dangnabbit box!!!
The dude said the docs REALLY SHOULD draw a titer but dont, mOstly b/c of cost?? Huh??

What the heck, docs are soo greedy.

Our nation is so greedy, i despise Greedy Big Pharma, i want to live on a planet , in a country where the truth is spoken, greed and all the other 6deadly sins are not even thought of, where food/produce is grown without harmful pesticides , where vaxxing is a SIN, aand NOT ALLOWED.

PLEASE LET ME KNOW if you have ever travelled to that planet!!?? I tra cf el there often in my daydreams...
kitty8199
by Silver Member on Feb. 3, 2013 at 9:46 AM
Ok I always wondered what happened before this shot, but even in school they taught about this and made it seem like baby wouldn't live.
Dammit I was a sheep and I know better. Stupid me


Quoting nicki.hemingway:

If you had the shot after dd, then you should be fine.  If you have another child  you will not need the shot until after birth unless there is trauma to the abdomen.  If after birth the child tests positive then you have 72 hours to get the shot. 

Quoting kitty8199:

Is there a way to test for rh antibodies? I'm neg my dd is pos, and bf is pos, so if we have a child, baby could be, too.

I had it after my dd, so that should take care of the next child right?




Quoting nicki.hemingway:

The risk occurs when the blood crosses.  The baby's blood and mom's does not mix during a pregnancy unless there is birth or trauma.  Therefore there is no risk to baby unless there is trauma or birth.  The shot during pregnancy does nothing unless it occurs within 72 hours of blood mix (such as after a fall).  I understand RH incompatibility disease, but the risk to the baby is not present unless there is a blood mix.  If baby 1 is positive then the shot is given after birth (within 72 hours) to mitigate the blood mix.  Therefore there is no risk in waiting until after baby is born to get the shot.  Given at 28 weeks the shot is long worn off before birth.  Here is an article that explains it better. 

Unless there is trauma (ie blood mix) there is no need to get the shot until baby is born and tests rh+

http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/rhogam-vaccine-big-pharma-profit-ploy/

http://www.vaccinetruth.org/rhogam.htm

Quoting kitty8199:

The risk isn't to mom but to the developing fetus. If mom had a rh positive baby all future babies are at risk. If dad is negative, no need.
But if a second or greater pregnancy is positive, after one positive baby already, your body will kill the fetus.
The risk is DURING pregnancy, to the baby. Not mom.
After birth it's too late, it wouldn't make it term.
Quoting nicki.hemingway:

Hence why it is necessary if the baby tests positive after birth.  There is no reason to give the shot during pregnancy, especially up to 12 weeks before the edd.

Quoting kitty8199:

After the first pregnancy, your body attacks subsequent pregnancies.

First child I agree, but if not the shot prevents your body from killing the new baby.










Quoting nicki.hemingway:

You can always choose to wait until after the baby is born and tests positive to get the shot.  It only works after blood exposure anyway which can occur in labor.  Also unless there is suspected trauma, like a fall or accident, there is no reason to get the shot.  If there is an issue you have 72 hours to get the shot.




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nicki.hemingway
by Bronze Member on Feb. 3, 2013 at 12:56 PM
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It is my understanding that even if you should completely refuse the shot the risk of rh disease is less than 1-2% since yet again blood must cross in order for the antibodies to cross to the baby.  Now in our heavy intervention world of amnio, cvs, and intervention heavy birth the risk is higher but still it is 1-2% or less.  In a natural birth situation the risk is even lower and RH disease is treatable even while the baby is still in the womb. 

Quoting kitty8199:

Ok I always wondered what happened before this shot, but even in school they taught about this and made it seem like baby wouldn't live.
Dammit I was a sheep and I know better. Stupid me


Quoting nicki.hemingway:

If you had the shot after dd, then you should be fine.  If you have another child  you will not need the shot until after birth unless there is trauma to the abdomen.  If after birth the child tests positive then you have 72 hours to get the shot. 

Quoting kitty8199:

Is there a way to test for rh antibodies? I'm neg my dd is pos, and bf is pos, so if we have a child, baby could be, too.

I had it after my dd, so that should take care of the next child right?




Quoting nicki.hemingway:

The risk occurs when the blood crosses.  The baby's blood and mom's does not mix during a pregnancy unless there is birth or trauma.  Therefore there is no risk to baby unless there is trauma or birth.  The shot during pregnancy does nothing unless it occurs within 72 hours of blood mix (such as after a fall).  I understand RH incompatibility disease, but the risk to the baby is not present unless there is a blood mix.  If baby 1 is positive then the shot is given after birth (within 72 hours) to mitigate the blood mix.  Therefore there is no risk in waiting until after baby is born to get the shot.  Given at 28 weeks the shot is long worn off before birth.  Here is an article that explains it better. 

Unless there is trauma (ie blood mix) there is no need to get the shot until baby is born and tests rh+

http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/rhogam-vaccine-big-pharma-profit-ploy/

http://www.vaccinetruth.org/rhogam.htm

Quoting kitty8199:

The risk isn't to mom but to the developing fetus. If mom had a rh positive baby all future babies are at risk. If dad is negative, no need.
But if a second or greater pregnancy is positive, after one positive baby already, your body will kill the fetus.
The risk is DURING pregnancy, to the baby. Not mom.
After birth it's too late, it wouldn't make it term.
Quoting nicki.hemingway:

Hence why it is necessary if the baby tests positive after birth.  There is no reason to give the shot during pregnancy, especially up to 12 weeks before the edd.

Quoting kitty8199:

After the first pregnancy, your body attacks subsequent pregnancies.

First child I agree, but if not the shot prevents your body from killing the new baby.










Quoting nicki.hemingway:

You can always choose to wait until after the baby is born and tests positive to get the shot.  It only works after blood exposure anyway which can occur in labor.  Also unless there is suspected trauma, like a fall or accident, there is no reason to get the shot.  If there is an issue you have 72 hours to get the shot.





Please excuse my typos. I baby wear at the computer and I have to type around a bobbing head.


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graycalico
by on Feb. 3, 2013 at 11:16 PM
My grandma lost a baby because of this so I've always gotten the shot. I had cvs so I got a dose already this pregnancy but I'm thinking about waiting until after to get another.
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DragonBoy2012
by Member on Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:13 AM

BUMP!

DragonBoy2012
by Member on Feb. 4, 2013 at 9:58 AM
arrrggh!!! So essentially the percentage 1–2%, of possibily having an rH incompatibility is roughly same as your perfect baby being born with HDN (hemorragix Disease of Newborn) hence the giant push from drs for vit. K .
During Labir ( in retrospect a waaaay far too vulnrable time to be asking a laboringg mom any BIG QUEATIONS.....there is a reason why animals in the wild seek a quiet hidden area to birth----TO FOCUS and PROTECT !!!)
i was Sheeple, i admit. i thought, yes my perfect baby had a rough entry (COERCED Epi/pit drip) I T was rather fairly common birth, Posterior, yes back labor, but hey baby was just coekscrewing his way down the birth canal!
i thought oh geez he is probably that 1-2% and i thought oooohh better make sure he gets vit. K versus having a baby rather raising a brain damagwd child. Yeah silly me....rather stupid me!!!! ugh!!!
I researched ...duh after the fact..arrgh ....that Colostrum has PLENTY OF available vit. K for baby. And also that dangnabbit vit K injection has Waaaaayy more than necessary something like 20 000times!!
yes, my son has constant raised bumps on his leg they gave him injection....he almost year old now..it isnt ecxema, i dont consume dairy, his skin on the entire rest of his body is perfect as they say ..Baby Soft.....
also he never ever had baby acne ..just those bumps and
gmapoohz
by Member on Feb. 4, 2013 at 12:17 PM

When mom is RH- and dad is RH+, the rhogam injection should be given immediately AFTER baby is born.

I had the shot right after each of my 2 children was born, in 1979 and 1980. I was told I would always need the shot after each baby, to protect the next baby. 

They used to only give it to the mom right after giving birth.  I don't know when they started giving it during pregnancy or what justification was given to start doing that.

It should not be given routinely during pregnancy, it is useless and senseless and I have concerns regarding possible ill effects to both mom and baby of giving it routinely 2 to 3 times during pregancy. It only makes sense during pregnancy as a precaution to give within 72 hours after mom gets injured in some kind of accident.

Gma Poohz

Ginnygurl97
by New Member on Feb. 5, 2013 at 7:39 AM
I've had it in all my pregnancies. My first I spotted the entire time almost, so I had it during AND after. They said it would protect baby. My second pregnancy ended in a miscarriage at 6-7 weeks for unknown reasons. I again received the shot to "protect" next baby. Third pregnancy also ended in miscarriage at 13 weeks. They blamed it on the rh incompatibility. But I received the shot? It can still happen they say. Fast forward a few years and remarried to a man who isn't do sure about the vax issue either. Unlike my ex husband. This time I also have a doc who isn't pushy. I LOVE him. He doesn't buy the rh thing as a reason for my previous miscarriage. So fourth pregnancy comes around, and we all decided to not do it. Wouldn't you know, the one time I refused it my placenta abrupted :-( little man was very ill. He was very jaundiced and had lost a lot of blood. So they gave me the injection immediately after. I'm done now. Two beautiful boys :-). I can't go through another pregnancy after all the bad luck I've had. So had I gotten the shot during pregnancy would it have saved grief and prevented what happened. According to doc....... NO. Anything can still happen during pregnancy, no matter what precautions we take. So it appears I completely agree w you. It is only necessary after pregnancy if baby tests positive it if there is some complication where blood can cross through the placenta, as on my case of the abruption. :-/.
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tansyflower
by on Feb. 7, 2013 at 10:38 AM

this is a serious facter.  my grandma had her babies before the shot was ever invented.  every pregnancy made it worse and worse.  her 5th and 6 child needed full blood transfusions and she was induced with #6 because she was not doing well and almost died even with the transfusion that lasted over 2 weeks.  baby #7 died in utero at 7 months gestation :(

Quoting kitty8199:

After the first pregnancy, your body attacks subsequent pregnancies.
First child I agree, but if not the shot prevents your body from killing the new baby.


Quoting nicki.hemingway:

You can always choose to wait until after the baby is born and tests positive to get the shot.  It only works after blood exposure anyway which can occur in labor.  Also unless there is suspected trauma, like a fall or accident, there is no reason to get the shot.  If there is an issue you have 72 hours to get the shot.


nicki.hemingway
by Bronze Member on Feb. 7, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Yes but our grandmothers were giving birth when way beyond questionable practices such as routine x-rays, twilight sleep, mysterious drugs such as Thalidomide, routine use of forcepts, and physically pushing on the mamma's belly during labor were common.  Keep in mind that the risk of blood exchange may have been much much higher. 


Quoting tansyflower:

this is a serious facter.  my grandma had her babies before the shot was ever invented.  every pregnancy made it worse and worse.  her 5th and 6 child needed full blood transfusions and she was induced with #6 because she was not doing well and almost died even with the transfusion that lasted over 2 weeks.  baby #7 died in utero at 7 months gestation :(

Quoting kitty8199:

After the first pregnancy, your body attacks subsequent pregnancies.
First child I agree, but if not the shot prevents your body from killing the new baby.


Quoting nicki.hemingway:

You can always choose to wait until after the baby is born and tests positive to get the shot.  It only works after blood exposure anyway which can occur in labor.  Also unless there is suspected trauma, like a fall or accident, there is no reason to get the shot.  If there is an issue you have 72 hours to get the shot.



Please excuse my typos. I baby wear at the computer and I have to type around a bobbing head.


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