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Purchasing Vitamin K drops

Posted by on Apr. 15, 2008 at 11:38 AM
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Hello,

I just learned that you can't purchase Vitiamin K drops in the U.S. without a prescription.  Seems pretty strange.

We checked on line to purchase them from Canada, but since our daughter's baby is due at the end of April, we're concerned even if we order them today if they will arrive in time.  We want to refuse the Vitamin K injection for baby at the hospital and give the baby the drops instead, at birth, 1 week, and then 1 month.

I understand most hospitals have the drops, but since they are so pro-injection, they may refuse to supply them.

Anybody have experience getting the Vitamin K drops ?

Thanks,

Gma Poohz
by on Apr. 15, 2008 at 11:38 AM
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segrau
by Member on Apr. 15, 2008 at 11:50 AM
I thought you could buy them directly from birthwithlove.com for $20 plus shipping...or maybe you need a midwife to buy them for you?

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MamaCass
by Bronze Member on Apr. 15, 2008 at 12:49 PM
Vit K is oil-soluble so I believe it would be pretty yucky tasting.  If it were me, I would get Vit K for ME to take and let it pass through the breast milk.  Here is an article I saved from Dr. Mercola.com

Vitamin K at Birth: To Inject or Not

 

By Linda Folden Palmer, DC

Newborn infants routinely receive a vitamin K shot after birth in order to prevent (or slow) a rare problem of bleeding into the brain weeks after birth. Vitamin K promotes blood clotting. The fetus has low levels of vitamin K as well as other factors needed in clotting. The body maintains these levels very precisely.1 Supplementation of vitamin K to the pregnant mother does not change the K status of the fetus, confirming the importance of its specific levels.

Toward the end of gestation, the fetus begins developing some of the other clotting factors, developing two key factors just before term birth.2 It has recently been shown that this tight regulation of vitamin K levels helps control the rate of rapid cell division during fetal development. Apparently, high levels of vitamin K can allow cell division to get out of hand, leading to cancer.

What's the Concern?

The problem of bleeding into the brain occurs mainly from three to seven weeks after birth in just over five out of 100,000 births (without vitamin K injections); 90 percent of those cases are breastfed infants3 because formulas are supplemented with unnaturally high levels of vitamin K. Forty percent of these infants suffer permanent brain damage or death.

The cause of this bleeding trauma is generally liver disease that has not been detected until the bleeding occurs. Several liver problems can reduce the liver's ability to make blood-clotting factors out of vitamin K; therefore extra K helps this situation. Infants exposed to drugs or alcohol through any means are especially at risk, and those from mothers on anti-epileptic medications are at very high risk and need special attention.

Such complications reduce the effectiveness of vitamin K, and in these cases, a higher level of available K could prevent the tragic intracranial bleeding. This rare bleeding disorder has been found to be highly preventable by a large-dose injection of vitamin K at birth.

The downside of this practice however is a possibly 80 percent increased risk of developing childhood leukemia. While a few studies have refuted this suggestion, several tightly controlled studies have shown this correlation to be most likely.4,5 The most current analysis of six different studies suggests it is a 10 percent or 20 percent increased risk. This is still a significant number of avoidable cancers.6

Apparently the cell division that continues to be quite rapid after birth continues to depend on precise amounts of vitamin K to proceed at the proper rate. Introduction of levels that are 20,000 times the newborn level, the amount usually injected, can have devastating consequences.

The Newborn's Diet

Nursing raises the infant's vitamin K levels very gradually after birth so that no disregulation occurs that would encourage leukemia development. Additionally, the clotting system of the healthy newborn is well planned, and healthy breastfed infants do not suffer bleeding complications, even without any supplementation.7

While breastfed infants demonstrate lower blood levels of vitamin K than the "recommended" amount, they show no signs of vitamin K deficiency (leading one to wonder where the "recommended" level for infants came from). But with vitamin K injections at birth, harmful consequences of some rare disorders can be averted.

Infant formulas are supplemented with high levels of vitamin K, generally sufficient to prevent intracranial bleeding in the case of a liver disorder and in some other rare bleeding disorders. Although formula feeding is seen to increase overall childhood cancer rates by 80 percent, this is likely not related to the added vitamin K.

The Numbers

Extracting data from available literature reveals that there are 1.5 extra cases of leukemia per 100,000 children due to vitamin K injections, and 1.8 more permanent injuries or deaths per 100,000 due to brain bleeding without injections. Adding the risk of infection or damage from the injections, including a local skin disease called "scleroderma" that is seen rarely with K injections,8 and even adding the possibility of healthy survival from leukemia, the scales remain tipped toward breastfed infants receiving a prophylactic vitamin K supplementation. However, there are better options than the .5- or 1-milligram injections typically given to newborns.

A Better Solution

The breastfed infant can be supplemented with several low oral doses of liquid vitamin K1 (possibly 200 micrograms per week for five weeks, totaling 1 milligram, even more gradual introduction may be better). Alternatively, the nursing mother can take vitamin K supplements daily or twice weekly for 10 weeks. (Supplementation of the pregnant mother does not alter fetal levels but supplementation of the nursing mother does increase breastmilk and infant levels.)

Either of these provides a much safer rate of vitamin K supplementation. Maternal supplementation of 2.5 mg per day, recommended by one author, provides a higher level of vitamin K through breastmilk than does formula,10 and may be much more than necessary.

Formula provides 10 times the U.S. recommended daily allowance, and this RDA is about two times the level in unsupplemented human milk. One milligram per day for 10 weeks for mother provides a cumulative extra 1 milligram to her infant over the important period and seems reasonable. Neither mother nor infant require supplementation if the infant is injected at birth.11

The Bottom Line

There is no overwhelming reason to discontinue this routine prophylactic injection for breastfed infants. Providing information about alternatives to allow informed parents to refuse would be reasonable. These parents may then decide to provide some gradual supplementation, or, for an entirely healthy term infant, they may simply provide diligent watchfulness for any signs of jaundice (yellowing of eyes or skin) or easy bleeding.

There appears to be no harm in supplementing this vitamin in a gradual manner however. Currently, injections are provided to infants intended for formula feeding as well, although there appears to be no need as formula provides good gradual supplementation. Discontinuing routine injections for this group alone could reduce cases of leukemia.

One more curious look at childhood leukemia is the finding that when any nation lowers its rate of infant deaths, their rate of childhood leukemia increases.12 Vitamin K injections may be responsible for some part of this number, but other factors are surely involved, about which we can only speculate.

Dr. Linda Folden Palmer consults and lectures on natural infant health, optimal child nutrition and attachment parenting. After running a successful chiropractic practice focused on nutrition and women's health for more than a decade, Linda's life became transformed eight years ago by the birth of her son. Her research into his particular health challenges led her to write Baby Matters: What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Caring for Your Baby. Extensively documented, this healthy parenting book presents the scientific evidence behind attachment parenting practices, supporting baby's immune system, preventing colic and sparing drug usage. You can visit Linda's Web site at www.babyreference.com.


Dr. Mercola's Comment:

Administering vitamin K to newborns becomes an even greater issue when you consider the source. The vitamin K injections administered by hospitals to newborns are synthetic and may contain benzyl alcohol as a preservative.

The only known reported cases of vitamin K toxicity result from having used this synthetic form.

It certainly seems wise to instead use an oral form of liquid vitamin K, gradually supplemented with several low doses as discussed in the above article. The ideal form to use would be a high-quality vitamin K1, or phylloquinone, which is found naturally in plants. The vitamin K that I recommend is the natural vitamin K1 and it comes in a liquid form for a very reasonable price.

Please note that pregnant and nursing mothers should avoid vitamin K supplemental intakes higher than the RDA (65 mcg) unless specifically recommended and monitored by their physician.

Related Articles:

Seven Reasons to Breastfeed Your Child That You Need to Know

20 Percent of Pregnant Women Suffer From Depression

How the Cord Clamp Injures Your Baby's Brain

Letter From Parents to Their Doctor on Their Upcoming Delivery

Skin-to-Skin Contact With Mom Helps Newborns

More Than 300,000 Newborns Get Mercury From Fish Every Year


Notes

1.      L.G. Israels et al., "The riddle of vitamin K1 deficit in the newborn," Semin Perinatol 21, no. 1 (Feb 1997): 90-6. 2.      P. Reverdiau-Moalic et al., "Evolution of blood coagulation activators and inhibitors in the healthy human fetus," Blood (France) 88, no. 3 (Aug 1996): 900-6.3.      A.H. Sutor et al., "Late form of vitamin K deficiency bleeding in Germany," Klin Padiatr (Germany) 207, no. 3 (May-Jun 1995): 89-97. 4.      L. Parker et al., "Neonatal vitamin K administration and childhood cancer in the north of England: retrospective case-control study," BMJ (England) 316, no. 7126 (Jan 1998): 189-93. 5.      S.J. Passmore et al., "Case-control studies of relation between childhood cancer and neonatal vitamin K administration," BMJ (England) 316, no. 7126 (Jan 1998): 178-84. 6.      E. Roman et al., "Vitamin K and childhood cancer: analysis of individual patient data from six case-control studies," Br J Cancer (England) 86, no. 1 (Jan 2002): 63-9. 7.      M. Andrew, "The relevance of developmental hemostasis to hemorrhagic disorders of newborns," Semin Perinatol 21, no. 1 (Feb 1997): 70-85. 8.      E. Bourrat et al., "[Scleroderma-like patch on the thigh in infants after vitamin K injection at birth: six observations]," Ann Dermatol Venereol (France) 123, no. 10 (1996): 634-8. 9.      A.H. Sutor, "Vitamin K deficiency bleeding in infants and children," Semin Thromb Hemost (Germany) 21, no. 3 (1995): 317-29.10.  S. Bolisetty, "Vitamin K in preterm breast milk with maternal supplementation," Acta Paediatr (Australia) 87, no. 9 (Sep 1998): 960-2. 11.  K. Hogenbirk et al., "The effect of formula versus breast feeding and exogenous vitamin K1 supplementation on circulating levels of vitamin K1 and vitamin K-dependent clotting factors in newborns," Eur J Pediatr 152, no. 1 (Jan 1993): 72-4. 12.  A. Stewart, "Etiology of childhood leukemia: a possible alternative to the Greaves hypothesis," Leuk Res (England) 14, nos. 11-12 (1990): 937-9.
 
iamom05
by Member on Apr. 15, 2008 at 1:03 PM
I like the article above, very good! If you are really concerned, you could simply start taking good quality alfala capsules and your baby will get it through your breastmilk. Also alfafa is good for energy :)
Lisathena
by Member on Apr. 15, 2008 at 1:49 PM

Thank you for the article. I will definatly be getting a bottle of Vita K to take myself. I will not allow them to shoot him up w/ that much vita K when it is not nessaricy for them to have that much!!!!

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hillary_rose
by Member on Apr. 15, 2008 at 2:16 PM
Your Chiropracter can get you Vit K. Thats what I did with my baby. We rejected the Vit K shot at birth and started the drops. I think the Chiro tested for 1 drop every other day at first and then decresed from there. Check out the website below. Thats the brand we used. Just click on products then click Bio Mulsion K.


http://www.bioticsresearch.com/
hillary_rose
by Member on Apr. 15, 2008 at 2:30 PM
One more thing this is how I decided to say no to the Vit K shot was the package insert that comes with the shot
http://www.fda.gov/medwatch/SAFETY/2003/03Jun_PI/AquaMEPHYTON_PI.pdf

Also another good article
http://www.vaclib.org/basic/vitamin-k.htm
Lisathena
by Member on Apr. 15, 2008 at 2:48 PM
I heard in our state (Montana) that you are REQUIRED to get this. And this was coming from a family that does not vax and didnt have the hep B or the eye drops. 

How would i find that info out? My midwife? the hospital?

I will ask next appointment. ..
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iamom05
by Member on Apr. 15, 2008 at 3:08 PM
I can't see it being "Required" but I don't live there either...so idk. Here's a website about state exemption forms and law, etc.... it might help find your answer???
http://poisonevercure.150m.com/cover.htm
Quoting Lisathena:

I heard in our state (Montana) that you are REQUIRED to get this. And this was coming from a family that does not vax and didnt have the hep B or the eye drops.

How would i find that info out? My midwife? the hospital?

I will ask next appointment. ..

MamaCass
by Bronze Member on Apr. 15, 2008 at 5:56 PM
To my knowledge you can sign a waiver for everything.  It may be hospital specific...you might want to consider a home birth with a midwife if you are low risk...That is what I am going to do for my next baby.


Quoting iamom05:

I can't see it being "Required" but I don't live there either...so idk. Here's a website about state exemption forms and law, etc.... it might help find your answer???
http://poisonevercure.150m.com/cover.htm
Quoting Lisathena:

I heard in our state (Montana) that you are REQUIRED to get this. And this was coming from a family that does not vax and didnt have the hep B or the eye drops.

How would i find that info out? My midwife? the hospital?

I will ask next appointment. ..

Kari78
by Bronze Member on Apr. 15, 2008 at 6:21 PM
I ordered oral Vitamin K myself from birthwithlove.com...I didn't have any trouble getting it.  My baby didn't seem to mind the taste of it, or even really notice that I was giving it to him.
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