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Confused about what not to give, help!

Posted by on Dec. 15, 2008 at 9:06 AM
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I received a letter from the state that read my son is due for the MMR, Varicella, Hepatitis A and flu shot. My son is 21 months old and I just recently started to delay vaccinations for him after stumbling across Jenny McCarthy and her story. I love her! Anyhoo, what vaccinations are harmful for him? I read the FAQ list and couldn't find anything specifically addressing my question. I am not doing a flu shot either way. I feel that shot is totally unneccessary unless you are a senior citizen. So please help........ P.S. he isn't getting these shots either way but I want to be informed about them because my mother is on me about not getting him his shots even though he is in better health than the ones who do receive their immunizations!

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ladysavage
by Member on Dec. 15, 2008 at 9:11 AM

Well, I know I'm not the only one here who feels that ALL of the vaccines given are harmful and not needed.

I suggest you go through each vaccine your son is supposed to be getting - read up on it, and make your mind up.

I researched each vaccination given where I live, and decided that I didn't want my daughter having any of them.

happytexasCM
by Gold Member on Dec. 15, 2008 at 9:52 AM

None.



1. Name of the disease
2. Description of the disease
3. Length of time from initial infection to end of all symptoms
4. Infectious period
5. Normal symptoms of the disease
6. Known serious consequences of the disease
7. Proportion of persons infected developing serious consequences
8. Transmission route of the disease
9. Prevalence of the disease
10. Treatments of the disease and efficacy of those treatments
11. Relevant research about the disease
12. Name of the vaccine
13. Company that makes the vaccine
14. Contents of the vaccine
14A. The significance of whether or not the vaccine is live
15. History of development of the vaccine
16. Known side-effects of the vaccine and rate of incidence of those side-effects
17. Possible side-effects not yet acknowledged by the vaccine maker
18. Relevant research into the vaccine
19. How effective is the vaccine at preventing the disease?
20.What is the vaccine meant to do? (Many vaccines are not meant to prevent infection or transmission).
21.Number of cases reported each year.
22.Number of deaths reported each year from the vaccine and natural disease.

Here are some sources to help you out:

Inside Vaccines

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/mmwr_wk.html (download the current issue)
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...k-chapters.htm
http://vaers.hhs.gov/pdf/PackageInserts.pdf
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...40451107552&q=
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...87981735&hl=en
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...ses&deaths.pdf

Vax Research Post-JUST A LITTLE PRICK-Tabled Vax Injuries-Inside Vaccines-Over Vaccination?
-Age of Autism-VACCINES: WHY FEAR SELLS

Vaccines-The Risks, the Benefits, the Choices DVD, By Sherri J. TENPENNY
http://www.minimum.com/b.asp?a=vaccines-risks-benefits

"A new mother’s mammary glands take over from the placenta to provide the development guidance to ensure a baby’s genetic destiny is fulfilled." http://www.sciencealert.com.au/news/20081102-16879.html

aeneva
by on Dec. 15, 2008 at 12:35 PM

As others have said all of them are harmful IMHO.  Some probably worse then others, but the only vax I have even considered is the tetanus which he has most likely already gotten.  All the others are not neccassary IMHO. 



Courtney
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Mom to Zac 5-11-05, Neva 6-2-07
HaydensMommy007
by on Dec. 15, 2008 at 3:10 PM

Personally I am of the opinion that there is no such thing as a safe shot.

That is why my daughter is a year old and completely vaccine free and will remain that way

amandajoy21
by Member on Dec. 15, 2008 at 4:39 PM

If you really want some good information about vaccinations there is a good book The Vaccine Book by Dr. Jim Sears. Make sure that if you do skip those vaccinations that you find out what the laws are in your state because some schools will not let her attend without a waiver for either personal, medical, or religious reasons. If your state doesn't allow personal reasons the religious waiver is easiest to get all it requires is a notary public, at least here in Virginia. Personally Sean is almost up to date with the exception of the MMR, varricella, flu, and some boosters he missed at his 18 month check up because he had a slight cold. I wouldn't recommend getting more than one live vaccine at a time, MMR, varicella, and the flu mist which is only approved for two and up are attenuated live virus vaccine.

Autumn22
by Bronze Member on Dec. 15, 2008 at 4:54 PM

None are safe. 

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-1.pdf  CDC's list of ingredients.  Formaldehyde (known to cause cancer!), aluminum, polysorbate 80, mouse brains, monkey kideny, aborted fetal tissue (human diploid tissue)

http://www.healthsentinel.com/graphs.php?id=14&event=graphs_print_list_item  Graph showing the decline in death rates BEFORE the vaccines were introduced.  They source their information right on the graph.  Please note that this graph will look different than the CDC's graph.  http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/6mishome.htm#Diseaseshadalready

Note that this graph is not death rate of measles. It is the incidence of infection. The death rate of measles had already declined significantly by the time of the vaccination's introduction. Likely due to the improvement and increased availability of health care.  Of course my graph and the CDC's graph is different.  Both accurate I believe, but are covering two different things.  Also, when the CDC quotes death rates from the measles, they're quoting WORLDWIDE figures (including 3rd-world countries without access to medical care, clean water, or sewer systems). This graph shows only the US death rates.

Wondering about the Autism/Vaccine link?  Study the Amish: http://whale.to/vaccine/olmsted.html

http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/table.htm National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program

http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/

http://www.medicineno.com/

http://www.thinktwice.com/

http://www.vaccination.inoz.com/ingredie.html  The side effects of the vaccine ingredients

http://v.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/Why-Vaccines-Aren-t-Safe-48866.aspx A film about why vaccines aren't safe

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7018835240451107552&q= A film by doctor Sherri Tenpenny.  She has spent well over 8,000 hours now researching this and is considered an expert.

http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm Mercury is still in these vaccines

http://www.ctvia.org/index.cfm?folder=154 Package inserts that come with every vaccine.  Doctors usually don't just hand them out though.  You have to ask for them.  Look over ALL of the adverse reactions.  Death, arthritis (which is what I got from the MMR), siezures, diabetes, etc.

http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/stats.html The VAERS data summary.  The FDA states that only 10% of vaccine injuries ever get reported.  Here is that 10%.  So what is the REAL number?  Vaccine injuries aren't rare, just rarely reported.


http://www.vaclib.org/legal/MTstate/chickenpox.pdf Chicken pox vaccine info.

www.myspace.com/parentsagainstvax My myspace page.  I have videos from doctors and other great stuff!

http://www.nvic.org/ That is an unbiased website.  You can also find your state's exemption from vaccines there.

http://www.vaclib.org/ Wonderful page!  You can click on the Exemption Page to find forms to fill out for your state's exemptions

I would also say that vaccines predominantly stimulate Th2 in the immune system and not the Th1 unlike natural immunity which stimulates both Th1 and Th2. When there is too much stimulation with the Th2 it can lead to auto-immune conditions. It is very important that children fully develop both Th1 and Th2 as Th1 is also very important in the body's ability to prevent cancer among other things.

aj_baby_06
by Member on Dec. 15, 2008 at 5:51 PM


Quoting Autumn22:

None are safe. 

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-1.pdf  CDC's list of ingredients.  Formaldehyde (known to cause cancer!), aluminum, polysorbate 80, mouse brains, monkey kideny, aborted fetal tissue (human diploid tissue)

http://www.healthsentinel.com/graphs.php?id=14&event=graphs_print_list_item  Graph showing the decline in death rates BEFORE the vaccines were introduced.  They source their information right on the graph.  Please note that this graph will look different than the CDC's graph.  http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/6mishome.htm#Diseaseshadalready

Note that this graph is not death rate of measles. It is the incidence of infection. The death rate of measles had already declined significantly by the time of the vaccination's introduction. Likely due to the improvement and increased availability of health care.  Of course my graph and the CDC's graph is different.  Both accurate I believe, but are covering two different things.  Also, when the CDC quotes death rates from the measles, they're quoting WORLDWIDE figures (including 3rd-world countries without access to medical care, clean water, or sewer systems). This graph shows only the US death rates.

Wondering about the Autism/Vaccine link?  Study the Amish: http://whale.to/vaccine/olmsted.html

http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/table.htm National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program

http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/

http://www.medicineno.com/

http://www.thinktwice.com/

http://www.vaccination.inoz.com/ingredie.html  The side effects of the vaccine ingredients

http://v.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/Why-Vaccines-Aren-t-Safe-48866.aspx A film about why vaccines aren't safe

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7018835240451107552&q= A film by doctor Sherri Tenpenny.  She has spent well over 8,000 hours now researching this and is considered an expert.

http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm Mercury is still in these vaccines

http://www.ctvia.org/index.cfm?folder=154Package inserts that come with every vaccine.  Doctors usually don't just hand them out though.  You have to ask for them.  Look over ALL of the adverse reactions.  Death, arthritis (which is what I got from the MMR), siezures, diabetes, etc.

http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/stats.html The VAERS data summary.  The FDA states that only 10% of vaccine injuries ever get reported.  Here is that 10%.  So what is the REAL number?  Vaccine injuries aren't rare, just rarely reported.


http://www.vaclib.org/legal/MTstate/chickenpox.pdf Chicken pox vaccine info.

www.myspace.com/parentsagainstvax My myspace page.  I have videos from doctors and other great stuff!

http://www.nvic.org/ That is an unbiased website.  You can also find your state's exemption from vaccines there.

http://www.vaclib.org/ Wonderful page!  You can click on the Exemption Page to find forms to fill out for your state's exemptions

I would also say that vaccines predominantly stimulate Th2 in the immune system and not the Th1 unlike natural immunity which stimulates both Th1 and Th2. When there is too much stimulation with the Th2 it can lead to auto-immune conditions. It is very important that children fully develop both Th1 and Th2 as Th1 is also very important in the body's ability to prevent cancer among other things.

All vaccines are harmful, like the bolded part says. The ingredients don't worry me as much as the immune response that the body has to vaccinations, the very mechanism that makes them work causes alot of damage. My son will not get anymore.

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StarMommy77
by Silver Member on Dec. 15, 2008 at 6:04 PM

I would start with Neil Z Miller's latest book..(www.thinktwice.com) He cites everything and backs it up.. He is not a Dr. but  father searching for answers just like you are.

 In MA you can use a religious exemption to stop vaccinating and enter them into school and daycare.

Do not allow the scare tactics to rush you into a decision.. Take all the time you need to research..

Reread a lot of the posts in this group.. You are the Momma, trust your instincts..

Welcome to the group!

"A Merck internal memo is obtained during discovery discloses that in 1991 a Merck researcher added up the amount of mercury that is in the new vaccine schedule and sounded an alarm at the company that children who are vaccinated according to it would receive amounts of mercury far and above that considered to be safe by the EPA. Merck takes no action in regard to the information."




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catholicmamamia
by on Dec. 15, 2008 at 6:30 PM

No vaxes are safe, all carry risks.

This book has helped me:
WHAT YOUR DOCTOR MAY NOT TELL YOU ABOUT CHILDREN'S VACCINATIONS
by Dr Stephanie Cave.

I also like this Sherri Tenpenny Q&A list:  http://www.mothering.com/sections/experts/tenpenny-archive.html

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