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Posted by on Aug. 12, 2009 at 9:26 PM
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I just have some questions about vaccines. I'm pregnant and don't know what to do or if i should or should not, can someone give me any pros and cons about vaccines? I have a 3 yr old who is fully up to date on all his vaccines.



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truthcrusader
by Member on Aug. 13, 2009 at 7:48 AM

In my opinion 'NEVER EVER VACCINATE A CHILD'!

First, get yor head around this:

- Vaccines are biowarfare agents promoted to us as disease prevention. 

- Vaccines do NOT prevent ill-health, they CAUSE ill-health!

- NO  vaccine has ever protected anyone, let alone saved anyone's life.

- Vaccination is a despicable scam

- Vaccination is an organised criminal enterprise

- if you want a sick child, vaccinate it;  if you want a healthy child, avoid all vaccines.

- "Belief in immunization is a form of delusional insanity." Dr Herbert Shelton

For further information, go to:

http://www.facebook.com/inbox/readmessage.php?t=1095296307097#/pages/Vaccination-Information-Network-VINE/69667273997?ref=ts

 

 

  

Autumn22
by Bronze Member on Aug. 13, 2009 at 11:33 PM

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-1.pdf  CDC's list of ingredients.  Formaldehyde (known to cause cancer!), aluminum, polysorbate 80, mouse brains, monkey kideny, aborted fetal tissue (human diploid tissue)

http://www.healthsentinel.com/graphs.php?id=14&event=graphs_print_list_item  Graph showing the decline in death rates BEFORE the vaccines were introduced.  They source their information right on the graph.  Please note that this graph will look different than the CDC's graph.  http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/6mishome.htm#Diseaseshadalready

Note that this graph is not death rate of measles. It is the incidence of infection. The death rate of measles had already declined significantly by the time of the vaccination's introduction. Likely due to the improvement and increased availability of health care.  Of course my graph and the CDC's graph is different.  Both accurate I believe, but are covering two different things.  Also, when the CDC quotes death rates from the measles, they're quoting WORLDWIDE figures (including 3rd-world countries without access to medical care, clean water, or sewer systems). This graph shows only the US death rates.

Wondering about the Autism/Vaccine link?  Study the Amish: http://whale.to/vaccine/olmsted.html

http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/table.htm National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program

http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/

http://www.medicineno.com/

http://www.thinktwice.com/

http://www.vaccination.inoz.com/ingredie.html  The side effects of the vaccine ingredients

http://v.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/Why-Vaccines-Aren-t-Safe-48866.aspx A film about why vaccines aren't safe

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7018835240451107552&q= A film by doctor Sherri Tenpenny.  She has spent well over 8,000 hours now researching this and is considered an expert.

http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm Mercury is still in these vaccines

http://www.ctvia.org/index.cfm?folder=154 Package inserts that come with every vaccine.  Doctors usually don't just hand them out though.  You have to ask for them.  Look over ALL of the adverse reactions.  Death, arthritis, siezures, diabetes, etc.

http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/stats.html The VAERS data summary.  The FDA states that only 10% of vaccine injuries ever get reported.  Here is that 10%.  So what is the REAL number?  Vaccine injuries aren't rare, just rarely reported.


http://www.vaclib.org/legal/MTstate/chickenpox.pdf Chicken pox vaccine info.

www.myspace.com/parentsagainstvax My myspace page.  I have videos from doctors and other great stuff!

http://www.nvic.org/ That is an unbiased website.  You can also find your state's exemption from vaccines there.

http://www.vaclib.org/ Wonderful page!  You can click on the Exemption Page to find forms to fill out for your state's exemptions

I would also say that vaccines predominantly stimulate Th2 in the immune system and not the Th1 unlike natural immunity which stimulates both Th1 and Th2. When there is too much stimulation with the Th2 it can lead to auto-immune conditions. It is very important that children fully develop both Th1 and Th2 as Th1 is also very important in the body's ability to prevent cancer among other things.

Autumn22
by Bronze Member on Aug. 13, 2009 at 11:37 PM

happytexasCM
by Gold Member on Aug. 14, 2009 at 8:48 AM

Here are some questions to answer for yourself in deciding about vax.

1. Name of the disease
2. Description of the disease
3. Length of time from initial infection to end of all symptoms
4. Infectious period
5. Normal symptoms of the disease
6. Known serious consequences of the disease
7. Proportion of persons infected developing serious consequences
8. Transmission route of the disease
9. Prevalence of the disease
10. Treatments of the disease and efficacy of those treatments
11. Relevant research about the disease
12. Name of the vaccine
13. Company that makes the vaccine
14. Contents of the vaccine
14A. The significance of whether or not the vaccine is live
15. History of development of the vaccine
16. Known side-effects of the vaccine and rate of incidence of those side-effects
17. Possible side-effects not yet acknowledged by the vaccine maker
18. Relevant research into the vaccine
19. How effective is the vaccine at preventing the disease?
20.What is the vaccine meant to do? (Many vaccines are not meant to prevent infection or transmission).
21.Number of cases reported each year.
22.Number of deaths reported each year from the vaccine and natural disease.

Here are some sources to help you out:

Inside Vaccines

Vaccines-The Risks, the Benefits, the Choices DVD, By Sherri J. TENPENNY
YOUTUBE: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7018835240451107552


http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/mmwr_wk.html (download the current issue)
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/pink-chapters.htm
http://vaers.hhs.gov/pdf/PackageInserts.pdf
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7018835240451107552&q=
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6351515212287981735&hl=en
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/G/cases&deaths.pdf

CNN-Freedoms you'd lose in Obama Care
1. Freedom to choose what's in your plan
2. Freedom to be rewarded for healthy living, or pay your real costs
3. Freedom to choose high-deductible coverage
4. Freedom to keep your existing plan
5. Freedom to choose your doctors

ThinkTwice08
by Bronze Member on Aug. 14, 2009 at 1:26 PM

Ditto to ALL OF THE ABOVE! :)

Christian- Libertarian, NON-vaxing, Natural child birthing, Breastfeeding, Non-circumsizing, Earth- friendly, mom of  One Happy, Healthy baby boy! big smile mini


"Those who danced were thought to be quite insane, by those who could not hear the music." -Angela Monet

Loa1002
by Silver Member on Aug. 15, 2009 at 2:17 PM

well since you are PG the first thing your newborn will get in the hospital is the voitamin K shot and the Hep B vaccine. I opted out of those and the eye goop. I would start there as this can be really overwhelming at first. You will have to do LOTS of reading to make a decision. I applaud you coming here and asking questions but you will have to do the work and by that I mean research.

I do not have reasons to get vaccinated. ZERO. My son is 19 months old and have never been vaccinated including the vitamin K shot at birth. The vitamin K shot is not a vaccine but it can be just as dangerous.

Here is my cut and paste about why I do not vaccinate. You will find lots of links and books to help you. GL and ask questions you want here.

Oh and I would not get the flu shot for yourself or the swine flu vaccine for anyone in your family.

The reasons I DON'T vaccinate:

I do not believe that vaccinations work

This is a 15 page report so I'm not going to post it; the most important part is that it includes the Health Sentinel Graphs!  This shows that diseases were on the decline before vaccinations. We need to thank our engineers, plumbers, etc for a good sewage system, better hygiene, and cleaner water NOT vaccines.

http://www.whale.to/a/bystrianyk3.html

Ingredients (aluminum, formaldehyde, latex, chicken, monkey kidneys, aborted fetuses from 30 years ago, thimerosal  (still "traces" of it-otherwise known as mercury), the live virus itself, polysorbate 80, MSG, etc etc)

http://www.novaccine.com/vaccine-ingredients/

From the CDC web site:

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-1.pdf

For example take ingredient polysorbate 80 and Google it.... It has 443,000 results. I picked one which supports  that it can cause infertility. This ingredient is also in ice cream, skin care lotion, & many other products. http://infertility.suite101.com/article.cfm/polysorbate_80_causes_infertility

Side Effects (ADD, ADHD, seizures, autism, SIDS, fever, knots in legs, developmental disorders, auto-immune deficiencies, diabetes, cancer, leukemia, asthma, diabetes, food allergies, the virus itself, death, etc., etc., etc.) http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00046738.htm

Check out VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System)   

http://vaers.hhs.gov/

At your ped.'s office or you might find it online, look inside the vaccine insert that the manufacturer's sends with the vaccine. They cover their butts and it will tell you of side effects including death. Check out Mercks own insert for the vitamin K shot given at birth. You wont see this on the vaccine list b/c it is an injection given ~ a day after the baby is born. DEATH is a possible side effect!!

Warning by Merck on their own product!

http://web.archive.org/web/20070213093306/http://www.fda.gov/medwatch/SAFETY/2003/03Feb_PI/AquaMEPHYTON_PI.pdf

 

Vaccines do not equal immunity (of the 131 cases of the measles, there were kids that were vaccinated)

Vaccines could be the cause that the diseases are still around (live viruses can cause shedding up to 28 days from getting the shot)

5 vaccines you should never get:

http://www.douglassreport.com/reports/vaccines.html?gclid=CMCSrK_pvZcCFQEoGgodkFr6TA

I highly recommend reading the following books:

·         Vaccines: Are They Safe & Effective by Neil Z Miller (footnotes everything, does not say yes or no to vaxes)

·         The Hundred-Year Lie by Randall Fitzgerald (touches on vaccines but it is how chemicals are destroying our health)

·         Natural Cures: What They Don't Want You To Know About by Kevin Trudeau (he tries to educate people about natural health, how government and the health care systems are corrupt-only touches on vaccines)

·         How to Raise a Healthy Child...In Spite of Your Doctor by Dr Robert Mendelsohn (sp)

But don't take my opinion research, research, research on your own. I think going against the medical field is thinking outside the box and for all the Mothers here our children are the most important thing. I think educate before you vaccinate. Know your rights and know what you/they are doing to your child. Your Doctor is not GOD. The scientific fields make mistakes and then they might or might not correct them. Thousands of people die from aspirin alone but that is still FDA approved. Do NOT let them use your child as a guinea pig. They don't even do studies to see if the vaccines are safe.

........... and yes your child can go to school etc. (check for your state here)   http://www.nvic.org/Vaccine-Laws/state-vaccine-requirements.aspx

 

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