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ASHLEY19

Jul. 27, 2007 at 3:29 PM by ASHLEY19
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DEEP DOULA THOUGHTS

(or 'Things that make you go "HUH"?')

By Stephanie Soderblom CD CLD CCCE CBC

I am a doula. What this means is that I have spent the last 10 years helping moms and dads BECOME moms and dads. I like to call doulas, "People helping people out of people". However, over the
years I've seen many practices that are "standard" and "routine" that I have found just doesn't make sense at best, and appear dangerous at worst. The following are some of my thoughts on some of the routine procedures that have left me wondering "Is anyone thinking about this??"

1. Oxygen in Labor:


We've all seen it: mom is laboring and baby has some funky/questionable heart tones. First thing they do, of course, is change moms position. The next thing they always do...is slap oxygen on moms face. Look over at the pulse oximeter and it shows mom's O2 level as being 100% before we added oxygen. Ok..if mom's oxygen saturation is already at 100%..what do they think having her breathe more oxygen is going to do other than freak her out?? In what way can it possibly benefit her?


2. Scheduled Inductions:


Parents are told that they will be inducing next week...for [fill in any reason]. This is an elective induction, not a medically necessary one. That's a pretty bold statement. And how do I know this
without further information? Because if they were REALLY worried about mom or the baby, would they really send her home and wait 4 days before inducing her? And if they aren't worried...then couldn't
they recheck on them in 4 days and THEN decide a course of action?

3. Baby is getting too big:


Parents are told that they need to induce at 39 weeks because the baby's getting "too big". Ok..so...how much do they think the baby's head/shoulders will grow in that extra week or two weeks?
They talk about baby's weight...but what about baby's head and shoulders? Babies don't get stuck at their chubby little thighs, hung up by their adorably dimpled butts .... What we have to work
hard to birth as heads and shoulders, not their chub. To help with the delivery the baby's head is made to mold, the pelvis will expand and open up. What growth do they think will occur those last
1-3 weeks that will change the outcome of the delivery? What really is the difference in head size between an 8 pound baby and a 10 pound baby? (double chins don't count!)


4. "We don't know how long baby will continue to tolerate...":


Parents are told that they need to give her pitocin because, although baby "looks good now, we don't know how long baby is going to tolerate this..." Isn't that true from the moment of conception? We
never know how long baby is going to be happy.....all we can go off of is NOW..and right NOW baby is happy and everything is fine. If everything is fine...why are we in a hurry? Why rush it? If mom and
baby are fine with the way things are right now - then it must not be because of mom and baby that we need to speed things up, right? Then who is it for? To this I have an answer, but would prefer that
each reader is able to answer this question themselves. If it's not for mom and baby, then for whom are we wanting to hurry things up for?

5. Diet and drugs during pregnancy:


Women are told to fanatically watch what they eat or drink....watch out for tuna because of mercury, deli meats could have listeria, don't walk into a restaurant that has smoking because you might
inhale second hand smoke, no sushi, no alcohol whatsoever, no caffeine. When you are pregnant you are making decisions for two and should be meticulous about what you put into your body. When a babyis getting ready to be born, aren't you still pregnant? Do the rules stop applying? Yet on the day that the baby is to be born, the most important day that this child will have, much more important than the day she was 20 weeks 6 days pregnant; much more transformationthan on the day she was 32 weeks 4 days pregnant; an even moredramatic day than the day she was 8 weeks 1 day pregnant. On THAT day we will encourage mom to take an average of 7 - 9 different pharmaceuticals (including things such as Stadol, Demerol, Fentenyl ("100 times more potent than morphine"), bupivicaine) and prevent her from eating anything at all and we will call that "normal" and "safe".

6. It's TOO RISKY:


We will routinely take women and artificially rupture their water, introduce catheters and monitors to the inside of the uterus, add pitocin into a woman, give her anesthesia, induce her if she gets too uncomfortable, give an elective cesarean if she just strongly requests it..... But then we will say that a VBAC is too risky and shouldn't be done. After all the risk of a baby dying during any
type of delivery is 0.12% and the risk of a baby dying during a VBAC is
.2%.  Not a huge difference. Risk of dying from a uterine rupture is .0095% and the risk of dying from a repeat cesarean is .0184%  But a VBAC is too risky. Lets take this over to a homebirth. We will do all of
the interventions listed in the first paragraph (things we KNOW dramatically increase the risk to mom and baby) but say that homebirths are SCARY! After all - what if something goes wrong! We
forget how very often things went wrong BECAUSE we were messing around with things - how often things go wrong in a hospital that wouldn't have gone wrong at home because we wouldn't have been inducing her, wouldn't be giving her those pharmaceuticals, wouldn't be restricting her eating, wouldn't be breaking her water.

7. "Take a big deep breath like you're going under water, chin to
your chest, curl around your baby, and push down - 1, 2, 3, 4, NO NOISE, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 - good pushing, now deep breaths, breathe for your baby":

Women are told to hold their breath for 3 counts of 10 while pushing, not to make any noise or let any air out.... then are told they need to "breathe for their baby!" between contractions...between....when there is no pressure on the baby. But they don't need to breathe for their baby during the contractions??
I ask every pregnant woman right now to get a watch or timer with a second hand - and hold your breath 3 times for 10 seconds IN A ROW and see how it feels. Now do it again- after walking for 10 minutes on a treadmill. How does it feel? As for the no noise thing ...I've heard them say, "your voice is your power...if you are making noise you are letting your power out..." Here are some mental images for you - "Think 'karate'...think 'olympic weight lifters'...think 'US Open tennis players'." You'd think if your voice was your power then karate instructors would be saying "SSHHHhhhh!" and the karate studio would be absolutely silent. Wouldn't olympic coaches have discovered that fact that you can lift more or gleem more power from being silent?

8. Premature urge to push:

Women are told that they MUST not push before they are fully dilated....the pressure down on the cervix could make the cervix swell. Not even little grunts! No no, breathe, don't push! But then, an hour later, she is given Pitocin to strength then contractions, they never worry that it will make the contractions so
strong that it will swell the cervix. She feels nauseated and is throwing up, and they don't worry that THAT will swell the cervix. Isn't the point to have good strong pressure down on the cervix?
I've heard some women be told that they might TEAR the cervix! YIKES!! That would stop me from wanting to push, too! But if that was the case then wouldn't it hurt MORE to push not less? Most women who are pushing are doing so because it feels BETTER to push-wouldn't think that tearing your cervix would feel better than not, do you?

9. Internal examinations prior to labor:

Why are we checking you? What is the point? Oh yes, I hear you answering now - it's to see if you're going to have the baby soon.
First off, if you're full term (which I HOPE you are if you are having internals!) then the answer is a resounding YES! You will be having your baby soon! (and I don't have to stick my hands inside of
you) Next, an internal examination prior to the onset of labor gives NO information that is beneficial or useful. Wow - pretty bold statement, yet true. You are checked and found to be ZERO dilated and ZERO effaced. You could have your baby that night. (that was my third child) Or you could be found 3cm dilated and 75% effaced and it could be WEEKS! (that was my second and fourth children) So if dilation and effacement aren't going to tell us when we are going to go into labor, why are we checking? Wait, not fair -that was MY question!

10. You need an IV in labor:

Just in case something goes wrong, we MUST have access to your vein! Rather than question this statement, I'm simply going to relay what happened with some students I taught a childbirth series to many years ago. He (the expectant father) happened to be an EMT-Paramedic. This couple was doing a hospital tour so that they could become familiar with the hospital they intended to have their baby in. The nurse showed them the triage area, then showed them the labor and delivery rooms, explained that this is when they would get their IV. The EMT dad said, "Umm, what if we don't want an IV?" Nurse
replied, "It's standard - what if something goes wrong? We must have access to your vein and what if it takes a while to get the IV started? It can be difficult sometimes to get it started - what if we can't get it started and we're trying to get an IV in while your baby is having problems??" The EMT dad looked her straight in the eye and said, "Are you telling me that I can start an IV in the field, at night, in the rain, inside a vehicle that has been flipped over on a patient who is critical and bleeding out - and you are
concerned about starting an IV on my healthy wife in your brightly lit hospital??? That frightens me." Hee hee.

I'll just let that story sit with you for a while.

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janineusa

by janineusa on Aug. 7, 2007 at 6:47 AM

I appreciate the Doula thoughts that you posted but I do have a slight problem with it. You say that you have been a Doula for 10 years, but have you gone to medical school? Do you know everything there is to know about the medical aspect of giving birth? Thoughts like that are tough to read in a pregnancy board: it has a tendency to scare women. I was considering hiring a Doula for my birth, but all your thoughts have turned this around for me. I am going to stick with my midwife and my obgyn. They not only have experience but also acquired the medical knowledge to get me through the birth. I have to trust that over someone who has solely gained experience by "doing", not "learning". Sorry if that sounds harsh to anyone, but the Doula thoughts sounded very, very naive to me.
ASHLEY19

by ASHLEY19 on Aug. 8, 2007 at 7:44 AM


Quoting janineusa:

I appreciate the Doula thoughts that you posted but I do have a slight problem with it. You say that you have been a Doula for 10 years, but have you gone to medical school? Do you know everything there is to know about the medical aspect of giving birth? Thoughts like that are tough to read in a pregnancy board: it has a tendency to scare women. I was considering hiring a Doula for my birth, but all your thoughts have turned this around for me. I am going to stick with my midwife and my obgyn. They not only have experience but also acquired the medical knowledge to get me through the birth. I have to trust that over someone who has solely gained experience by "doing", not "learning". Sorry if that sounds harsh to anyone, but the Doula thoughts sounded very, very naive to me.

sorry hunny i should have said this i didnt write this i am not a doula and i didnt go to med school i just took this off the a cafemom and i just post info for all of you if you want to read it thats fine if theres a problem ill remove it just let me know. sorry again.
cali4niachef

by cali4niachef on Aug. 9, 2007 at 3:01 PM


Quoting janineusa:

I appreciate the Doula thoughts that you posted but I do have a slight problem with it. You say that you have been a Doula for 10 years, but have you gone to medical school? Do you know everything there is to know about the medical aspect of giving birth? Thoughts like that are tough to read in a pregnancy board: it has a tendency to scare women. I was considering hiring a Doula for my birth, but all your thoughts have turned this around for me. I am going to stick with my midwife and my obgyn. They not only have experience but also acquired the medical knowledge to get me through the birth. I have to trust that over someone who has solely gained experience by "doing", not "learning". Sorry if that sounds harsh to anyone, but the Doula thoughts sounded very, very naive to me.
why would this scare a woman?

honey just because some one has not gone to medical school does not mean they are NOT educated about birth. case in point i work as breastfeeding peer counselor on the mother baby floor in two hospitals. the OB nurses have said i know MORE than them, yet i am not a trained RN. however  i have taken the time to do MUCH self-education and research.

another example midwives, there are different types. CNM (certified nurse midwife), CPM (certified professional midwife) and DEM (direct-entry midwife). the DE midwife does not have a nursing background, she did not go to midwifery school. she trained directly under CNM's and/or CPM's. does that make her less qualified or less educated? not all. i now some DEM and CPM's that are more educated than a CNM.

maybe you don't quite understand the role of a doula either. doulas are LABOR SUPPORT PROFESSIONALS. usually prior to becoming a doula they've given birth and reseached birth in many aspects. then as they are training to become a doula the attend births(for free), read a lot of materials and have to take an exam. they stay with the mother throughout here ENTIRE labor, delivery and post-partum....which is a hell of a lot longer than an OB does. s/he is usually there with enough time to put on some gloves and "catch" the baby.

does an OB know everything there is to a medical aspect of giving birth? hardly. i know somethings even OBs don't know. i once interviewed a "good natural childbirth friendly" doctor that did know who Ina May Gaskin was nor did he know about the Gaskin Maneuver technique for shoulder dystocia. what! how is it i knew about the Gaskin Maneuver and he didn't?  so then an OB doesn't even know every medical aspect of birth! *gasp*

does a person need a medical degree to read medical studies? does a doula need a medical degree to know the difference in outcomes at birth? do you need a medical degree to read how those things listed effect the physiological aspect of birth?

people don't need medical knowledge to get a woman through a birth. There is an "emergency childbirth guide" that you can buy for $10. The first thing printed in the book is a single sentence.  "So easy, an 8 year old child can do it."

Birth is not a medical event.

instead of getting so defensive or "scared" by this post maybe you should take it as a call to further educate yourself about doulas and birth.


ON DOULAS.....

Numerous clinical studieshave found that a doula’s presence at birth

  • tends to result in shorter labors with fewer complications
  • reduces negative feelings about one’s childbirth experience
  • reduces the need for pitocin (a labor-inducing drug), forceps or vacuum extraction and cesareans
  • reduces the mother’s request for pain medication and/or epidurals

Research shows parents who receive support can:

  • Feel more secure and cared for
  • Are more successful in adapting to new family dynamics
  • Have greater success with breastfeeding
  • Have greater self-confidence
  • Have less postpartum depression
  • Have lower incidence of abuse

Research has shown that hiring a doula results in a smoother, more natural birth. According to the authors of Mothering the Mother, How a Doula Can Help You Have a Shorter, Easier and Healthier Birth, a doula can mean the following:

  • 50 percent reduction in c-section rates
  • 25 percent shorter labor
  • 60 percent reduction in epidural requests
  • 40 percent reduction in oxytocin use
  • 30 percent reduction in analgesia use
  • 40 percent reduction in forcep delivery

A doula...

Recognizes birth as a key life experience that the mother will remember all her life...
Understands the physiology of birth and the emotional needs of a woman in labor...
Assists the woman and her partner in preparing for and carrying out their plans for the birth...
Stays by the side of the laboring woman throughout the entire labor...
Provides emotional support, physical comfort measures, an objective viewpoint and assistance to the woman in getting the information she needs to make good decisions...
Facilitates communication between the laboring woman, her partner and clinical careproviders...
Perceives her role as one who nutures and protects the woman's memory of her birth experience.

INFORMATION ABOUT AND DOULAS
http://www.mothering.com/articles/pregnancy_birth/midwives_doulas/midwives_doulas.html

http://www.findadoula.com/Professionals/insurance.htm

http://www.pregnancyweekly.com/pregnancy_information/doula.htm

http://www.dona.org/


GOOD LUCK!

~ Cindy 
(mama to 22 month old nursling, childbirth junkie, coffee addict, Breastfeeding Peer Counselor and IBCLC in training)

"It is curious commentary on our society that we tolerate
 all degrees of explicitness in our literature and mass media
as regards sex and violence, but the normal act of breast feeding is taboo"
- American Academy of Pediatrics

"If you don't know your options, you don't have any."
- Diana Korte, A Good Birth, A Safe Birth

janineusa

by janineusa on Aug. 9, 2007 at 6:43 PM

I appreciate your input, really I do. And I am probably setting myself up for another reply, but that is okay. I know what a Doula does: Child Birth Support and I think that is noble and a very good thing to do, and for women to have during childbirth and after. What I have a problem with, and what I probably did not articulate well in my first reply, is when a Doula talks about oxygen in labor, inductions, IV during pregnancy, and things like that. I think that any Doula should focus on her primary role as a Support person during the Labor, and not on all the medical stuff that is part of this. This is for trained people to be focused on, and that way everybody plays their own part during the exercise of labor. I have educated myself about this, and maybe I have a different take on this. I am a westernized woman who lives in a western society and for me that means that I will take advantage of the means that my society offers me. And that includes having a medical birth, in a hospital with medical doctors present. Giving birth is a little bit more than the emergency booklet that firefighters use, let's face it: that is only focused on emergencies. I will never forgive myself for not submitting to Western medicine as we know it, and therewith jeopardizing the life of my baby. Does that mean that I cannot integrate a personal aspect into my birth, where I am in control and decide what step is going to be taken next? Absolutely not! I will have my birthing plan ready, every support person in the room will know what to expect and where/how to go from there. But when the unexpected happens, I would like to rely on the Medical profession and their expertise to help me through it.
PhilsBabyMama

by PhilsBabyMama on Aug. 10, 2007 at 11:52 PM


Quoting janineusa:

What I have a problem with, and what I probably did not articulate well in my first reply, is when a Doula talks about oxygen in labor, inductions, IV during pregnancy, and things like that. I think that any Doula should focus on her primary role as a Support person during the Labor, and not on all the medical stuff that is part of this.

"A birth doula: a woman trained and experienced in childbirth who provides continuous physical, emotional, and informational support to a woman during labor, birth, and the immediate postpartum period."


Part of a doula's role is to educate and provide information on birth, this includes the medical aspects. 

-Kara

mamarina

by mamarina on Oct. 15, 2007 at 9:32 PM

Hello,

I just wanted to thank you (and everyone, for their input) for the info on Doulas.  I am unfamiliar with their role (s), and frankly, was under the impression that midwives help DURING labor and delivery, and doulas help the parents afterward.  Guess not!  Now I have some good links so I can read up on it.  Due to numerouso medical complications, including multiple major surgeries to my uterus, I must, unfortunately, have a c-section in March.  Though my EDD is 3/18, it will probably happen around March 10th.  I'm 18 weeks today!  And showing and getting more uncomfortable, oh wow, and kinda scared, like a kid, though I am 40! 
Thanks all, and good luck!!
cali4niachef

by cali4niachef on Oct. 16, 2007 at 8:12 PM


Quoting mamarina:

Hello,

I just wanted to thank you (and everyone, for their input) for the info on Doulas.  I am unfamiliar with their role (s), and frankly, was under the impression that midwives help DURING labor and delivery, and doulas help the parents afterward.  Guess not!  Now I have some good links so I can read up on it.  Due to numerouso medical complications, including multiple major surgeries to my uterus, I must, unfortunately, have a c-section in March.  Though my EDD is 3/18, it will probably happen around March 10th.  I'm 18 weeks today!  And showing and getting more uncomfortable, oh wow, and kinda scared, like a kid, though I am 40! 
Thanks all, and good luck!!
midwives do help during labor. but if you are laboring in a hospital i would suggest a doula regardless.

why must you have a c-section?


~ Cindy (mama to 25 month old nursling, childbirth junkie, coffee addict, Breastfeeding Peer Counselor and aspiring midwife) "It is curious commentary on our society that we tolerate all degrees of explicitness in our literature and mass media as regards sex and violence, but the normal act of breast feeding is taboo" - American Academy of Pediatrics "If you don't know your options, you don't have any." - Diana Korte, A Good Birth, A Safe Birth
Naomidoula

by Naomidoula on Dec. 3, 2007 at 8:36 PM

This could certainly turn into a very touchy subject, but I want to add a thought. I am a birth doula, so I have had to learn how to balance this topic myself. It is true that a birth doula's primary role is for emotional and physical support, not for medical support, but another role (as defined by Doulas of North America) is that we offer informational support. That means that although our most important role is to support the mother in whatever decisions she makes, that it is appropriate for us to present information on boths sides of relative choices so that she can make an informed decision. That means that we can present both what is common in hospitals, and the alternative, and present current studies and reports on each. The difficult part is maintaining an unbiased role in offering information, so that the mother feels she can make her own decision, but regardless, it is important to offer alternatives to every medical or natural procedure.

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littlevic

by littlevic on Aug. 1, 2008 at 10:58 AM

When I see information critical of the common practices involved in hospital births, I cringe.  Oxygen, scheduled inductions, etc..  I think it's important to remember that dying in childbirth was once quite common, for both the mother and the child.  While it is good to question and become more informed, I think it's also important to remember the amazing progress in healthcare.  I will inform myself now and trust my doctor when the time comes. 

BTW - The IV thing makes perfect sense to me.  The EMT comment is silly.  Healthcare professionals DO have trouble with IVs now and then.  Shoot, they have trouble finding my veins just for blood work.  This could be a potentially life-saving step.  Why the heck not?  This is precisely the kind of preventive measures that are helping women survive childbirth today. 

Just my two cents.  Learn, read EVERYTHING with a critical eye, have a plan, and then relax. 

DixieFlower

by DixieFlower on Sep. 10, 2008 at 7:56 PM

Ok I am having a doula. Like she told me while she can not tell the hospital staff what my wants are or decline treatment for me. She can tell me umm that looks like lidocane for an episiotome. Is that what you want? Then it is up to me to ask questions. My dh and I wouldn't have a clue as to what various things look like. I was with my sister for her labor and the drs and nurses just come in and say ok we need to give you this or we need to give you that etc.. I think it is nice to be with someone who has been through it and can help me by allowing me to make informed decissions. If the hospital staff are talking circles around me or above my head about something, she more than likely can explain it to me and I can make more informed decisions than just throwing myself at the mercy of the OB that is more concerned with how much longer this round is going to be than me making an informed decision. Don't get me wrong I absolutely love my OB's but it is nice to have someone on the non medical side. Women have been delivering babies for decades. If I could deliver at home I would, but my current living sittuation makes that impossible.

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