Typically I've thought that what kids do OUTSIDE of school is not the school's business. But maybe I'm wrong...
What do YOU think?
In Indiana, three girls were expelled over Facebook comments in which they discussed killing fellow classmates using guns, box cutters and gasoline, WRTV reports. Griffith Public Schools maintains that the students posed a threat to their peers.
In January, the three 14 year-olds spent two hours and 70 Facebook comments creating a list of at least five classmates they allegedly wanted to kill. They discussed the merits of various killing methods and even brought up the possibility of using a bathtub filled with acid to dissolve a corpse, reports WRTV.
The girls were suspended for 10 days in January after a parent gave a copy of the Facebook thread to school administrators, the Chicago Tribune reports.
Griffith Public Schools released a statement Tuesday defending its decision to expel the girls. The statement notes that the activities of the three eighth graders "posed a 'true threat' and two of the threatened students were so fearful of the threats that they missed classes and school."
The statement came as a response to the American Civil Liberties Union, which is filing a federal lawsuit against the district. The ACLU is arguing that by expelling the girls for personal conversation that took place off campus, the school district violated their rights to free speech, according to NWI.
The ACLU also argues the girl's discussion was a joke, pointing to the smiley faces and "LOL"s sprinkled through the discussion.
"The students' Facebook comments, which took place after school on their personal electronic devices, were clearly meant to be humorous, as evidenced by their repeated use of emoticons such as ;) and abbreviations such as LOL and LMFAO," the ACLU said in a statement released on their website.
The whole conversation, ACLU of Indiana attorney Gavin Rose told ABC News, was done "in an entirely jestful fashion, as exemplified by the fact that when you are serious about something, you don't follow it up with 'LOL.' "
Regina Webb, the mother of one of the girls "targeted" in the discussion, says she didn't find the Facebook thread funny. Webb said her daughter feared going to school for days after the thread appeared, according to WRTV.
"When they're talking about putting someone in a bathtub of acid and lighting someone on fire...my daughter being the last person mentioned, I find nothing funny about that," Webb said.
The controversy in Griffith comes as Indiana state lawmakers considered a bill thatwould allow schools to punish students for off-campus activities -- even while at the mall on weekends.
House Bill 1169, the Restoring School Discipline Act, would permit schools to suspend or expel students for engaging in activities away from school and after hours that "may reasonably be considered to be an interference with school purposes or an educational function."
Under existing state law, schools can seek punitive measures if students engage in "unlawful activity" that interferes with schools or education functions. But HB 1169, sponsored by Republican state Rep. Eric Koch, strikes the term "unlawful," allowing for punishment of any off-campus activity deemed to be an interference.
At least 40 school districts nationwide have approved social media policies. Schools in New York City and Florida have punished teachers for interacting with students on Facebook, and Missouri legislators recently yielded to teachers' objections to a strict statewide policy.
I find nothing about their conversation funny and even as an adult when I am being serious but don't want to be hurtful or sound too serious I will add a smiley or LOL. If they didn't want to get in trouble they should have never have had the conversation. If I remember correctly, there are now major laws in place where these girls could have gotten far worse punishment.
I am not one that normally is in favor of schools (or busineses, etc) handing down punishment for things that happen on a person's personal time and using their personal electronics so I am not sure about this. However, using LOL and emoticons does not lessen the impact of the words. The students who wrote these things sure need to have a parent involved in their life. Can't imagine my kids having that conversation online without me knowing about it and putting a stop to it. It is sad that they even thought about these things but to make them public is just beyond sad. I can certainly see why the targeted students felt threatened and the school district felt the need to get involved.
I couldn't care less if the school does something about this or not. What I want to know is why isn't law enforcement involved with this? These girls made terroristic threats against others and that is a crime.
Quoting steelcrazy:I couldn't care less if the school does something about this or not. What I want to know is why isn't law enforcement involved with this? These girls made terroristic threats against others and that is a crime.
They didn't metion anything about lawenforcement though, local, state, federal or otherwise. I don't care which court system handles it, so long as charges are brought against them.
Quoting psych_mom:
I would also think that it would fall under federal jurisdiction since it was done on the internet.
Quoting steelcrazy:I couldn't care less if the school does something about this or not. What I want to know is why isn't law enforcement involved with this? These girls made terroristic threats against others and that is a crime.
Quoting DawnPratt23:
Interesting how schools have the time to monitor social networks, but if your kid is getting beaten up right out side their door they no longer have authority to stop it. As in my experience I was told it had to be on school grounds for them to protect my son.
Quoting steelcrazy:They didn't metion anything about lawenforcement though, local, state, federal or otherwise. I don't care which court system handles it, so long as charges are brought against them.
Quoting psych_mom:
I would also think that it would fall under federal jurisdiction since it was done on the internet.
Quoting steelcrazy:I couldn't care less if the school does something about this or not. What I want to know is why isn't law enforcement involved with this? These girls made terroristic threats against others and that is a crime.
Who chooses what they wear?
- auroragold
on Jun. 16, 2012 at 9:12 AM