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Creating a Self Fulfilling Prophecy

Posted by on Nov. 18, 2012 at 9:02 PM
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So a while back I was talking to the Mom of one of my daughter's friends.  We were talking about how the girls were doing in school. I actually see this mom as a rather intelligent person, or at least, I did.   This is their last year in elementary school, next year they go in to the Junior High.  So this mom tells me that her daughter's teacher called her in for a confrence because her daugher was failing math.

Her daughter was not just failing the grade level the poor kid is only mastering 2nd grade math.  That's WAY below where she needs to be.  Then the mom giggles and says, "well I was NEVER any good at math anyways, so how can I expect her to be good at it?"

The daughter is aware of her Mom's attitude, so I really don't think that she is encouraged to even try to do better.

I just can't understand WHY a parent would be so accepting of a child's impending failure if they knew how to prevent it.  My DD has actually offered to help her friend with learning the work, but the Mom says that that is not necessary.  It's almost like she has resigned her self to the fact that her daughter is going to fail.

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Lorena
by Member on Nov. 18, 2012 at 10:22 PM
Dose the child have a disability? I have two boys that on the outside they are normal and have friends and they don't see it. except at school. They both are CD ( cognitive disabled) one has adhd and some other behavior disabilities. They are in 7th and 8th and can only read at first grade leavel. she could be LD and no one has had her testes. Mom could be working as hard as she can and be cool about it around everyone but behind closed doors is mess over it.
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sbernys
by New Member on Nov. 18, 2012 at 10:29 PM

I was never any good at math, however I expect my children to do the very best they can.  When they do have trouble in a particular subject I arrange tutors to help them (most schools provide them free of charge).  Only hearing your side of this story is just that....your side and the only thing that you experienced.  It could be completely different and she was just trying to make the subject seem lighter than it really is.  Suggest she get a tutor for her child if she cannot help her.

TempestRayne
by Silver Member on Nov. 19, 2012 at 2:05 PM
My dsd's mom is like the mom in the OP. kind of frustrating, but I work with her at my house.


Quoting sbernys:

I was never any good at math, however I expect my children to do the very best they can.  When they do have trouble in a particular subject I arrange tutors to help them (most schools provide them free of charge).  Only hearing your side of this story is just that....your side and the only thing that you experienced.  It could be completely different and she was just trying to make the subject seem lighter than it really is.  Suggest she get a tutor for her child if she cannot help her.


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katfeemom
by Member on Nov. 19, 2012 at 4:52 PM


Quoting Lorena:

Dose the child have a disability? I have two boys that on the outside they are normal and have friends and they don't see it. except at school. They both are CD ( cognitive disabled) one has adhd and some other behavior disabilities. They are in 7th and 8th and can only read at first grade leavel. she could be LD and no one has had her testes. Mom could be working as hard as she can and be cool about it around everyone but behind closed doors is mess over it.

She does not have a learning disability, I know the parents, and they would have said something if she did have one.  She is actually quite intelligent, and she reads above grade LEVEL.  And I'm pretty sure that SHE doesn't have testes.  But male or female, testes or no testes that should not be an issue with how she does in school, as I said, my DD has offered to help her learn  the work.


 

wenchmommy381
by Silver Member on Nov. 19, 2012 at 5:35 PM

Um.. I think she meant, 'tested.'

Quoting katfeemom:


Quoting Lorena:

Dose the child have a disability? I have two boys that on the outside they are normal and have friends and they don't see it. except at school. They both are CD ( cognitive disabled) one has adhd and some other behavior disabilities. They are in 7th and 8th and can only read at first grade leavel. she could be LD and no one has had her testes. Mom could be working as hard as she can and be cool about it around everyone but behind closed doors is mess over it.

She does not have a learning disability, I know the parents, and they would have said something if she did have one.  She is actually quite intelligent, and she reads above grade LEVEL.  And I'm pretty sure that SHE doesn't have testes.  But male or female, testes or no testes that should not be an issue with how she does in school, as I said, my DD has offered to help her learn  the work.


 

Girls do hit a gender-based wall in terms of math-- apparently girls aren't supposed to be good at math.

Danica McKellar (we knew her as Winnie Cooper on the TV show "The Wonder Years") has advanced degrees in math and has written a couple of books on the awesomeness of math for girls. Maybe you can get one for her. There's no reason for her to fail-- I was never good at math myself, but I at least passed at an appropriate grade level, and my sister has a degree in Math and has a great career in computers as a result.

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"I know that something very strange Is happening to my brain.
I'm either feeling very good Or else I am insane.
The seeds of doubt you planted Have started to grow wild
And I feel that I must yield before The wisdom of a child.
And it's love you bring,
No, that I can't deny
With your wings,
I can learn to fly,
Sweet young thing."
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psych_mom
by Stacy on Nov. 19, 2012 at 5:47 PM

With the right help no child with ADHD in that grade should be reading at a 1st grade level. I actually did one of my research papers on behavioral disorders for a psych class and ADHD- it does not impare one from learning when treated correctly. I see students that have the right treatment and do great in school and then students that don't have the right treatment and do poorly because they can't sit still and focus. It is sad to read this because there are so many great options out there to help, not only medications but therapies are well that can help kids with ADHD.

Quoting Lorena:

Dose the child have a disability? I have two boys that on the outside they are normal and have friends and they don't see it. except at school. They both are CD ( cognitive disabled) one has adhd and some other behavior disabilities. They are in 7th and 8th and can only read at first grade leavel. she could be LD and no one has had her testes. Mom could be working as hard as she can and be cool about it around everyone but behind closed doors is mess over it.


psych_mom
by Stacy on Nov. 19, 2012 at 5:53 PM

I think it is sad that she won't encourage her, even if she were to have a learning disability. If she goes to college it will make it so much harder on her to not be up to speed with math- I had to start at the lowest math class and take extra math because I didn't take the time to focus in may math class and with going into psychology I see now how it is used in everyday life. There are lots of careers where she may need it and the mom needs to wisen up and realize this now while she can help her.

Lorena
by Member on Nov. 19, 2012 at 5:58 PM
Yes you are correct ADHD alone if treated properly will not effect learning. However when paired with LD and expescially CD yes it does. The Dr. said that there is only a very small chance they will ever learn how. You may find it sad to read but we live it. It brakes my heart everyday every dr. appt.

Quoting psych_mom:

With the right help no child with ADHD in that grade should be reading at a 1st grade level. I actually did one of my research papers on behavioral disorders for a psych class and ADHD- it does not impare one from learning when treated correctly. I see students that have the right treatment and do great in school and then students that don't have the right treatment and do poorly because they can't sit still and focus. It is sad to read this because there are so many great options out there to help, not only medications but therapies are well that can help kids with ADHD.

Quoting Lorena:

Dose the child have a disability? I have two boys that on the outside they are normal and have friends and they don't see it. except at school. They both are CD ( cognitive disabled) one has adhd and some other behavior disabilities. They are in 7th and 8th and can only read at first grade leavel. she could be LD and no one has had her testes. Mom could be working as hard as she can and be cool about it around everyone but behind closed doors is mess over it.


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psych_mom
by Stacy on Nov. 19, 2012 at 6:01 PM

I'm sorry, I just went back and read what you originally wrote and I misread it- I thought you said one had ADHD and the other had other disabilities- my brain is on stats overload and not comprehending clearly. That does sound like a heartbreaking situation and very understandable why they are on the level they are on.


Quoting Lorena:

Yes you are correct ADHD alone if treated properly will not effect learning. However when paired with LD and expescially CD yes it does. The Dr. said that there is only a very small chance they will ever learn how. You may find it sad to read but we live it. It brakes my heart everyday every dr. appt.

Quoting psych_mom:

With the right help no child with ADHD in that grade should be reading at a 1st grade level. I actually did one of my research papers on behavioral disorders for a psych class and ADHD- it does not impare one from learning when treated correctly. I see students that have the right treatment and do great in school and then students that don't have the right treatment and do poorly because they can't sit still and focus. It is sad to read this because there are so many great options out there to help, not only medications but therapies are well that can help kids with ADHD.

Quoting Lorena:

Dose the child have a disability? I have two boys that on the outside they are normal and have friends and they don't see it. except at school. They both are CD ( cognitive disabled) one has adhd and some other behavior disabilities. They are in 7th and 8th and can only read at first grade leavel. she could be LD and no one has had her testes. Mom could be working as hard as she can and be cool about it around everyone but behind closed doors is mess over it.



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