Adam and Eve???

[MTATMA]

Me and hubby were watching a show about snakes and before i became Muslim I was always told that snakes were the devil. I know that I have read this before but I just can't remember ( preggo brain) the story of Adam and Eve in the Quran. I don't have the time to concentrate to find it. I was just wondering if any of you ladies could tell me where in the Quran I could find that so I could read it. Also I asked hubby if MUslims feel the same way about snakes he said no but can not tell me the story of adam and Eve.

[proud2bmom3]

assalamu alaikum sister,

the story of the creation of Adam  peace be upon him , and his fall  to earth, can be found in Surah 2. ( al-baqarah.) and some in Surah 7.. insha'  Allah I will get you the exact verses.

but to answer your question, there is no mention that Satan took the form of a serpent, or a snake.. just that he whispered to Adam and Eve, and told them to eat from the tree. he said shall I not guide you to the tree of immortality and lasting power? ..

in the story in the Quran. they both  eat from the tree, and eventually ask Allah for forgiveness and Allah the All Merciful forgives them ( that is why as Muslims we dont' believe in the concept of original sin)

as to snakes and Satan.. there is a hadith that mentions that some snakes CAN BE a form of Jinn ( not necessarily and Evil or Kaafir Jinn)  those snakes are mostly the ones that used to find refuge in the homes . ( normally NOT poisonous) and the hadith mentions that such snakes should be told to leave.. before attempting to kill them, as they might be of the Jinn.

this does not mean that if you see a copper mouth in your house to start talking to it..LOL, those snakes mentioned in the hadith are more of the non poisonous type.. I will insha' Allah find that hadith for you and post it on here.

so, are snakes evil? not necessarily.. the poisenous ones are harmful, and one should protect themselves from their harm..

hope this answers your question. I will insha' Allah find the story of Adam and Eve as well and post in here for you..

sorry I was MIA the past week. too many things..  but I have missed you all,

I love you all for the sake of Allah and leave you in His trusted car.e

[Weverly314]

Nowhere in the Hebrew Bible story of Adam and Eve is the serpent actually referred to as Satan. 

[Jovaiel]

Quoting Weverly314:

Nowhere in the Hebrew Bible story of Adam and Eve is the serpent actually referred to as Satan. 

Yes.  What I remember is that God warned that there would, from the time of the fall onward, be enmity between snakes and women - neither trusting or liking the other. As far as that goes it has probably been true with some few exceptions.

 

 

[Jovaiel]

Quoting proud2bmom3:

assalamu alaikum sister,

the story of the creation of Adam  peace be upon him , and his fall  to earth, can be found in Surah 2. ( al-baqarah.) and some in Surah 7.. insha'  Allah I will get you the exact verses.

but to answer your question, there is no mention that Satan took the form of a serpent, or a snake.. just that he whispered to Adam and Eve, and told them to eat from the tree. he said shall I not guide you to the tree of immortality and lasting power? ..

in the story in the Quran. they both  eat from the tree, and eventually ask Allah for forgiveness and Allah the All Merciful forgives them ( that is why as Muslims we dont' believe in the concept of original sin)

Sincere question, please. If Allah fully forgave Adam and Eve, then why did He not restore them to the Garden of Paradise?

 

[firaerty]

Please correct me sister Proud if I am mistaken but from what I read the answer to the above question is: Because Allah's plan for Adam and Eve and humanity was for us to spend time on earth and everything that happened (inluding them eating the fruit) was Allah's will.  Unlike the Christian version there is no "anger" from Allah and Earth is no punishment for the original sin and the pains of labor are no punishment for Eve's bringing Adam to Sin....  everything happened by Allah's will and he forgave them and sent them to their path on Earth as we are now going though this path of challenges and trials on Earth now.

[Jovaiel]

Quoting firaerty:

Please correct me sister Proud if I am mistaken but from what I read the answer to the above question is: Because Allah's plan for Adam and Eve and humanity was for us to spend time on earth and everything that happened (inluding them eating the fruit) was Allah's will.  Unlike the Christian version there is no "anger" from Allah and Earth is no punishment for the original sin and the pains of labor are no punishment for Eve's bringing Adam to Sin....  everything happened by Allah's will and he forgave them and sent them to their path on Earth as we are now going though this path of challenges and trials on Earth now.

So, if I understand you correctly, the short answer is that there is no free will. Adam and Eve did not choose for themselves to eat the forbidden fruit. That was Allah's will so, of course, it wasn't a sin or a fault in them.

If all that happens is Allah's will rather than ours, then no one deserves Hell. We are all acting in complete obedience to Allah's will, whether or not we realize it. Is this right?

 

 

 

[proud2bmom3]

Quoting Jovaiel:

Sincere question, please. If Allah fully forgave Adam and Eve, then why did He not restore them to the Garden of Paradise?

Greetings..  Satan was punished and cast out of Allah's mercy for ever.  for his disobedience.  and even when he was told his punishment for his pride and disobedience, all he asked for, was for his punishment to be delayed until the day of judgement, so he can take with him as many people from the sons of Adam as he could, into the Hellfire.

Adam and Eve disobeyed Allah, NOT out of pride, but misguidance. when they were punished ( first by being aware of their nakedness and then by  descending to Earth) they asked Allah for forgiveness.. and Allah the All Merciful forgave them. so they were absolved of the sin. but like my sister Fierearty said. their coming to earth was destined.  but all are held accountable for our own choices and actions. we are all born pure, but choose to sin as we grow older ( or choose not to sin) ..

in the Quran. it is mentioned , that even before the creation of Adam, that Allah almighty, told the angels that he is going to create people to inhabit the earth. .. so it was predestined for humans to come down to earth, and earn a spot in Heaven through our deeds and our faith.. may we be among those who are guided , Ameen.

hope this answers your question..

good to see you back on here. 

[proud2bmom3]

Quoting Jovaiel:

 So, if I understand you correctly, the short answer is that there is no free will. Adam and Eve did not choose for themselves to eat the forbidden fruit. That was Allah's will so, of course, it wasn't a sin or a fault in them.

If all that happens is Allah's will rather than ours, then no one deserves Hell. We are all acting in complete obedience to Allah's will, whether or not we realize it. Is this right

it is not that simple.. it is not predestination alone. but rather infinite knowledge.  we Do have a choice to sin or not. the fact is Allah knows what we will do.. but we dont'... Allah has set for us on this earth the formula of cause and effect. of actions and consequences. if you touch the fire you will burn. you can't touch the fire and say if  Allah does not will for me to burn then I will not burn.    we know that if we jump off a high building we will die.. we cannot say that if Allah does not will for us to die today then we will not die..

the fact is.. we Don't know what is written for us, or what Allah will Will for us .. so we choose to do good, because we KNOW that doing good will most likely have the consequence of us succeeding and entering Jannah. while sinning is quite the opposite.

we cannot sit at home and say if Allah wills for me to eat, then the food will come on its own. we need to work for it, we need to make an active choice, and then act up on it, performing an action that produces the desired result.

HOWEVER, if we do our part, but then for whatever reason. we dont' get the result, then we realize that it was not meant to be. like for example, if you study for the test, and wake up sick that day and cannot go to take the exam, then that is something out of our hands. but we cannot just sit and NOT study and then say if I were meant to pass it then I will pass it..

does that make sense at all?// lol

sorry. have to go now pray and take my daughter to gymnastics.. tomorrow promises to be a slower day insha' Allah so I will have more time to spend on here and catch up with the posts..

[MTATMA]

It says that satan took on the form of a serpent and told Eve to eat from the tree of knowledge. I don't have a bible handy as I don't read it as much since converting but I will look online Inshallah if I have time.

Quoting Weverly314:

Nowhere in the Hebrew Bible story of Adam and Eve is the serpent actually referred to as Satan. 

 

[firaerty]

Thanks sister Proud for as usual a lovely explanation.  As the sister said it's not as simple as no free will.   Everything does happen by Allah's will (even our sins, mistakes, earthquakes etc..) but that is due to his infinity knowledge of past, present and future.  Just because everything happens by Allah's will does not mean we don't make choices and it also does not mean we will not be held accountable for our choices.  That's why you can never set your own limitations in life, if something is not in Allah's plan for you it will not happen no matter how hard you try but if you refuse to even try then you will never know.