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COKE & PEPSI CONTAIN ALCOHOL

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According to new research, there are traces of alcohol inside of Coca Cola Products and Pepsi, 10mg in every 1 liter. 

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No wonder so many people like it! Coke and Pepsi contain ALCOHOL, reveals French research

  • Tests reveal more than half of leading colas contain minute traces of alcohol

By PETER ALLEN


Coca-Cola and Pepsi contain minute traces of alcohol, scientific research published in France has revealed.

The revelation will cause concern among those who chose the carbonated soft drink for religious, health or safety reasons.

According to tests carried out by the Paris-based National Institute of Consumption (INC) more than half of leading colas contain the traces of alcohol.

Can't beat the real thing: The revelation will cause concern among those who chose the carbonated soft drink for religious, health or safety reasons

Can't beat the real thing: The revelation will cause concern among those who chose the carbonated soft drink for religious, health or safety reasons

These include the brand leaders Coca-Cola and Pepsi Cola, while it is mainly only cheap supermarket versions of the drink which are alcohol-free.

‘60 Million Consumers’, the French magazine, publishes the results of the tests in its latest issue.

They suggest that the alcohol levels are as low as 10mg in every litre, and this works out at around 0.001 per cent alcohol.

 

But the figures will still be enough to upset the thousands of Muslims who regularly drink Cola because their religion forbids them from drinking alcohol.

Those who are teetotal and drink Coke regularly will also be worried, as will those who choose it as an alternative to alcohol when they are driving.

Of 19 colas tested, the nine which did not contain alcohol were made by brands including Auchan, Cora, Casino, Leader Price and Man U-Cola.

Muslims praying at the Paris great Mosque: Many people regularly drink Cola because their religion forbids them from drinking alcohol

Muslims praying at the Paris great Mosque: Many people regularly drink Cola because their religion forbids them from drinking alcohol

Ten which had traces of alcohol in them included Coca-Cola, Pepsi Cola, Coca-Cola Classic Light and Coke Zero.

Michel Pepin, scientific director for Coca-Cola France, said: ‘It is possible that traces of alcohol come from the process’ of making Coca Cola according to its secret recipe.

He insisted, however, that Coca-Cola drinks were provably ‘soft’ and recognised as such ‘by the government authorities in which they are sold’.

Mr Pepin added: ‘Furthermore, the Paris Mosque has provided us with a certificate stating that our products can be consumed by the Muslim community in line with the religious opinions of the Committee of the Mosque of Paris.’

Not the only pick me up: Caffeine is widely considered to be the main stimulus contained in cola, as well as sugar

Not the only pick me up: Caffeine is widely considered to be the main stimulus contained in cola, as well as sugar

A spokesman for Pepsi  acknowledged that ‘some soft drinks can  contain minute traces of alcohol because of the ingredients used,’  although ‘ the Pepsi Cola recipe does not contain alcohol ‘.

Both companies suggested that natural fruit can ferment and produce minute traces of alcohol.

Coca-Cola was invented in 1886 by the American John Pemberton and was originally patented as a medicine which could cure everything from headache to impotence.

It went on to dominate the international soft drinks market and is now a US icon sold in more than 200 countries.

However, caffeine is widely considered to be the main stimulant contained in the drink, along with vast amounts of sugar which have come to associate it with a range of health problems including obesity. 

Every can of Coke contains approximately 10 teaspoons of sugar.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2165422/Coke-Pepsi-contain-tiny-traces-alcohol-reveals-French-research.html#ixzz1z7ExFvTW
by on Jun. 28, 2012 at 2:56 PM
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Umi6
by on Jul. 1, 2012 at 10:26 PM
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I am new to the group so please let me send an Assalamu Alaikum to you all.  The conversation seems to have steered from the article.  I would like to know if these Coke and Pepsi products are sold there in Saudi and if anything has changed with the findings in this study.  There have been some good points made in these comments ie. different processing here in the US, if you drank Coke all day you wouldn't get drunk so is it still haram?  This can get really confusing that we would have to know the unknown with products - what's in them that's not on the label.  The US is supposedly very strict with FDA standards so is it safe to assume that if alcohol isn't on the label it isn't in the products here?  I recently read this article and copied it to my husband and we have been trying to figure it out ever since. May Allah guide us all in what is right insha'Allah.

proud2bmom3 Group Owner
by on Jul. 1, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Assalamu alaikum dear sisters.

the good news is , there has been no fatwa issued on the subject to show that it is haram to drink them. and the absence of the ruling of haram means that it is automatically halal.

I did read about the UAE food and drug administration approving the soft drink products as allowed. but with the study bombarding the Internet, I am having a hard time finding it again. the study also stated that the Islamic fiqh council in France said that drinking coke with such minuscule traces of alcohol is allowed.

and I go back to ibn baaz and ibn taymiyaa's explanation of the hadith, maa aftara qaleeluhu fakatheeruhu haraam. ie, what a lot of intoxicates, then little of it is  haram. and so, since it takes about 1300 cans of coke to make you even close to drunk.. then it is allowed to drink them. the percentage of the trace is less than .001% .

I have been keeping a close eye on this since we read this study. I have not yet come across any credible scholar that rendered it haram. in fact I read of a fatwa on Islamonline that explained why the soft drinks remain allowed. but again. for some reason, I am not able to access islamonline.. so if any of you can do that. I would greatly appreciate it.

I loved the comment about let's just drink water.. I agree.. I love water. but Diet coke is my guilty pleasure :(

if I speak in error then it is from me. may Allah forgive me and guide us all to what pleases HIM Ameen.

ETA: I found a fatwa about the Beer available in Saudi with the explanation of the hadith I mentioned.. pertaining to very little traces of alcohol. ( this fatwa is from saudi)

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Praise be to Allaah.

It is essential to differentiate between the two kinds of beer:

The first is the intoxicating beer that is sold in some countries. This beer is khamr (an intoxicant) and it is haraam to sell it, buy it and drink it. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Every intoxicant is khamr and every intoxicant is haraam.” Narrated by Muslim, 2003.

It is haraam to drink a lot or a little of it, even a single drop, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whatever intoxicates in large quantities, a little of it is haraam.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 1865; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.

The second type is beer that is not intoxicating, either because it is completely free of alcohol, or because it contains a minuscule amount of alcohol that does not reach the level of causing intoxication no matter how much a person drinks of it. The scholars have ruled that this is permissible.

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen said:

The beer that is on sale in our marketplaces [in Saudi Arabia] is all halaal, because it has been inspected by the officials and is completely free of alcohol. The basic principle concerning all kinds of food, drink and clothing is that they are permissible until and unless proof is established that they are haraam. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“He it is Who created for you all that is on earth”

[al-Baqarah 2:29]

So if anyone says, this drink is haraam, or this food is haraam, or this garment is haraam, say to him, Bring your proof. If he brings proof then we should do whatever is indicated by the proof. If he does not bring proof, then his words are to be rejected, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“He it is Who created for you all that is on earth”

[al-Baqarah 2:29]

Everything in this world Allaah has created for us. This general meaning is confirmed by the word jamee’an (translated here as “all”). And Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

while He has explained to you in detail what is forbidden to you” [al-An’aam 6:119]

So if something is haraam, there should be a clear and detailed indication that it is haraam. If there is no such proof then it is not haraam. The beer that is to be found in our markets here in the Land of the Two Holy Sanctuaries (Saudi Arabia) is all halaal and there is no doubt concerning that in sha Allaah.

We do not think that any alcoholic content in a thing makes it haraam, rather if something contains a percentage of alcohol which will make a person intoxicated if he drinks it, then it is haraam. But if the amount is minuscule and does not have any effect, then it is halaal.

Some people think that the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), “Whatever intoxicates in large quantities, a little of it is haraam”, mean that if a small percentage of an intoxicant is mixed with a large amount of a substance that is not intoxicating, then it is haraam. This is a misunderstanding of the hadeeth. “Whatever intoxicates in large quantities, a little of it is haraam” means that if a lot of something will cause intoxication, and a little of it will not cause intoxication, then a lot or a little are both haraam, because you may drink a little that does not cause intoxication, then you may be tempted to drink more and become intoxicated. But if something is mixed with alcohol but the alcohol is a small amount and does not have any effect, then it is halaal and does not come under the ruling of this hadeeth

Mommy2BeAmy
by on Jul. 2, 2012 at 11:26 AM

Regarding the last paragraph, isn't that alittle contadictory????

Example:

I want to make Penne Ala Vodka. The whole bottle of vodka would get me wasted, but a little of it which I use to cook with, will not...so isnt that saying whatever is intoxicating in large quantities then little of it is a sin??? So wouldnt that little bit I use to cook with a sin because if I drowned the whole bottle in there (i.e large quantity) then Id become intoxicated, but the little bit of wont but still its a small fragment of what would get me intoxicated...so that whole last paragraph contradicts itself..please explain.

Quoting proud2bmom3:

Assalamu alaikum dear sisters.

the good news is , there has been no fatwa issued on the subject to show that it is haram to drink them. and the absence of the ruling of haram means that it is automatically halal.

I did read about the UAE food and drug administration approving the soft drink products as allowed. but with the study bombarding the Internet, I am having a hard time finding it again. the study also stated that the Islamic fiqh council in France said that drinking coke with such minuscule traces of alcohol is allowed.

and I go back to ibn baaz and ibn taymiyaa's explanation of the hadith, maa aftara qaleeluhu fakatheeruhu haraam. ie, what a lot of intoxicates, then little of it is  haram. and so, since it takes about 1300 cans of coke to make you even close to drunk.. then it is allowed to drink them. the percentage of the trace is less than .001% .

I have been keeping a close eye on this since we read this study. I have not yet come across any credible scholar that rendered it haram. in fact I read of a fatwa on Islamonline that explained why the soft drinks remain allowed. but again. for some reason, I am not able to access islamonline.. so if any of you can do that. I would greatly appreciate it.

I loved the comment about let's just drink water.. I agree.. I love water. but Diet coke is my guilty pleasure :(

if I speak in error then it is from me. may Allah forgive me and guide us all to what pleases HIM Ameen.

ETA: I found a fatwa about the Beer available in Saudi with the explanation of the hadith I mentioned.. pertaining to very little traces of alcohol. ( this fatwa is from saudi)

_______________________________________________________________

Praise be to Allaah.

It is essential to differentiate between the two kinds of beer:

The first is the intoxicating beer that is sold in some countries. This beer is khamr (an intoxicant) and it is haraam to sell it, buy it and drink it. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Every intoxicant is khamr and every intoxicant is haraam.” Narrated by Muslim, 2003.

It is haraam to drink a lot or a little of it, even a single drop, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whatever intoxicates in large quantities, a little of it is haraam.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 1865; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.

The second type is beer that is not intoxicating, either because it is completely free of alcohol, or because it contains a minuscule amount of alcohol that does not reach the level of causing intoxication no matter how much a person drinks of it. The scholars have ruled that this is permissible.

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen said:

The beer that is on sale in our marketplaces [in Saudi Arabia] is all halaal, because it has been inspected by the officials and is completely free of alcohol. The basic principle concerning all kinds of food, drink and clothing is that they are permissible until and unless proof is established that they are haraam. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“He it is Who created for you all that is on earth”

[al-Baqarah 2:29]

So if anyone says, this drink is haraam, or this food is haraam, or this garment is haraam, say to him, Bring your proof. If he brings proof then we should do whatever is indicated by the proof. If he does not bring proof, then his words are to be rejected, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“He it is Who created for you all that is on earth”

[al-Baqarah 2:29]

Everything in this world Allaah has created for us. This general meaning is confirmed by the word jamee’an (translated here as “all”). And Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

while He has explained to you in detail what is forbidden to you” [al-An’aam 6:119]

So if something is haraam, there should be a clear and detailed indication that it is haraam. If there is no such proof then it is not haraam. The beer that is to be found in our markets here in the Land of the Two Holy Sanctuaries (Saudi Arabia) is all halaal and there is no doubt concerning that in sha Allaah.

We do not think that any alcoholic content in a thing makes it haraam, rather if something contains a percentage of alcohol which will make a person intoxicated if he drinks it, then it is haraam. But if the amount is minuscule and does not have any effect, then it is halaal.

Some people think that the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), “Whatever intoxicates in large quantities, a little of it is haraam”, mean that if a small percentage of an intoxicant is mixed with a large amount of a substance that is not intoxicating, then it is haraam. This is a misunderstanding of the hadeeth. “Whatever intoxicates in large quantities, a little of it is haraam” means that if a lot of something will cause intoxication, and a little of it will not cause intoxication, then a lot or a little are both haraam, because you may drink a little that does not cause intoxication, then you may be tempted to drink more and become intoxicated. But if something is mixed with alcohol but the alcohol is a small amount and does not have any effect, then it is halaal and does not come under the ruling of this hadeeth


proud2bmom3 Group Owner
by on Jul. 2, 2012 at 12:37 PM
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Quoting Mommy2BeAmy:

Regarding the last paragraph, isn't that alittle contadictory????

Example:

I want to make Penne Ala Vodka. The whole bottle of vodka would get me wasted, but a little of it which I use to cook with, will not...so isnt that saying whatever is intoxicating in large quantities then little of it is a sin??? So wouldnt that little bit I use to cook with a sin because if I drowned the whole bottle in there (i.e large quantity) then Id become intoxicated, but the little bit of wont but still its a small fragment of what would get me intoxicated...so that whole last paragraph contradicts itself..please explain.

This is a misunderstanding of the hadeeth. “Whatever intoxicates in large quantities, a little of it is haraam” means that if a lot of something will cause intoxication, and a little of it will not cause intoxication, then a lot or a little are both haraam, because you may drink a little that does not cause intoxication, then you may be tempted to drink more and become intoxicated. But if something is mixed with alcohol but the alcohol is a small amount and does not have any effect, then it is halaal and does not come under the ruling of this hadeeth

 

Wa alaikum assalaam dear sister.

cooking with wine. or mixing wine with drinks is different from using a minute amount of alcohol to dissolve ingredients.

firstly, the wine you are adding does cause intoxication when you drink little of it, or a lot. mixing wine with something makes that something haram.

secondly, in order for all the wine to evaporate from a food that is cooked with wine , it will take more than ten hours of simmering, even then about five percent of it still remains. ( Mayo clinic study) and so the wine still remains and it is haram to eat it.

thirdly, the alcohol referenced here, to my understanding, is a solvent agent. to dissolve things like flavors, or preservatives that do not dissolve in water. that is allowed. the minute natural fermentation ( not turning to wine) of fruits and fruit juices still maintains the percentage of alcoholic characteristic to less than .02 % which is normal, and does not intoxicate. and so drinking fruit juice is allowed. :)

sheikhs allowed using the vanilla extract as well. even though vanilla , to be extracted, has to be drenched in an alcoholic solution. however, by the time the flavor is extracted, the alcohol is already evaporated.

this is my understanding. and if I speak in error then it is from me. may Allah forgive me and guide us all to what pleases HIm Ameen.

and finally. alcohol is not considered Najas in itself.. like pork.. ie, alcohol in topical creams and medicines is allowed unlike pig which is  considered najas in its entirety.

I will attach fatwas to this effect insha' Allah either here or in a separate post for easy search and hyperlink it here. insha' Allah.

may Allah guide us all to the right path, and forgive us our mistakes and trespasses.

Fee aman Allah.

Edited to add. click here for a related fawa: and this one I only found in Arabic but it is mostly the same thing posted in my previous reply, click here.  insh'a Allah this will help.

Love and salaam (peace)

 (proud2bmom3 Muslim Moms-- Owner. 

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