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Barack didn't pick Hillary because of Bill

Posted by on Oct. 29, 2009 at 9:14 PM
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One of the newsweeklies, Time, has excerpts from the new book by Obama campaign manager David Plouffe, and he confirms something we thought we knew: Barack Obama passed over Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Here is Plouffe's take. ("Ax," by the way, is senior adviser David Axelrod):

What surprised me at [our first meeting to discuss the vice presidency] was that Obama was clearly thinking more seriously about picking Hillary Clinton than Ax and I had realized. He said if his central criterion measured who could be the best VP, she had to be included in that list. She was competent, could help in Congress, would have international bona fides and had been through this before, albeit in a different role. He wanted to continue discussing her as we moved forward.

We met again a couple of weeks later in mid-June and winnowed the list down to about 10 names.

At our next meeting, we narrowed the list down to six. Barack continued to be intrigued by Hillary. "I still think Hillary has a lot of what I am looking for in a VP," he said to us. "Smarts, discipline, steadfastness. I think Bill may be too big a complication. If I picked her, my concern is that there would be more than two of us in the relationship."

Neither Ax nor I were fans of the Hillary option. We saw her obvious strengths, but we thought there were too many complications, both pre-election and postelection, should we be so fortunate as to win. Still, we were very careful not to object too forcefully. This needed to be his call.

We had initially received a lot of advice from many of her supporters to pick her, though this "advice" was perhaps more accurately described as subtle pressure. Their fervor was abating a bit every day, though, helped by Hillary's comments that this was Obama's decision and that he should be left to make it.

In early August, he narrowed his list down to three names: Senator Joe Biden of Delaware, Senator Evan Bayh of Indiana and Governor Tim Kaine of Virginia. Hillary did not make the last cut. At the end of the day, Obama decided that there were just too many complications outweighing the potential strengths. But I gave him a lot of credit for so seriously thinking about his fierce former rival. Some in the Clinton orbit thought we gave Hillary short shrift. My view is that any serious consideration was somewhat surprising given all the complications and the toxicity during the primary campaign.

The nod eventually went, of course, to Joe Biden.

Not that it matters now, but would you have preferred a Obama/Clinton as Pres and VPres over Obama/Biden?

I have always hoped to see a women as President. Wondering if she had made VPres, if she'd run against Palen in the next election As she stands now, she is not running at all.

What do you think?



by on Oct. 29, 2009 at 9:14 PM
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stormcris
by Christy on Oct. 29, 2009 at 9:50 PM

No I wouldn't. I don't think she has what it takes to run this country if something happened. I believe it has truly shown in a few of her reactions. She would be and is great behind the scenes but not out front.

tericared
by on Oct. 29, 2009 at 10:27 PM

I can honestly say that I may not have voted for Obama had he picked her as VP. 

alohamalu
by on Oct. 30, 2009 at 9:50 AM

Yes, I would have preferred an Obama/Clinton ticket.  And, without a doubt she would knock Palin out.  But, I vote Democrat and that's my right - so I wasn't going to, or would I ever, vote for another party just because I don't 'like' a VP choice. 


AMom29
by Gold Member on Oct. 30, 2009 at 12:36 PM

I don't know.  It might have changed my mind, since I have disliked her from before her hubby was in office. Thinking people weren't voting for Palin, anyway.  She was an emotional choice, not a logical one.

1bluediamond
by Gold Member on Oct. 30, 2009 at 12:38 PM

Well I like Joe Biden.

Della529
by on Oct. 30, 2009 at 12:40 PM


Quoting 1bluediamond:

Well I like Joe Biden.

Really?  May I ask what you like about him?

PamR
by Ruby Member on Oct. 30, 2009 at 12:41 PM

I like Biden, but I wouldn't have had any problem voting Obama/Clinton.  I do think Bill is a legitimate concern and I don't blame him.  Bill Clinton is a big personality with a lot of baggage that could overshadow real issues.

1bluediamond
by Gold Member on Oct. 30, 2009 at 12:45 PM


Quoting Della529:

 

Quoting 1bluediamond:

Well I like Joe Biden.

Really?  May I ask what you like about him?

He tells it exactly how it is. He doesn't give a lot of fluff and hope for approval. Regardless of his foot in mouth syndrome which is part of his appeal for me, you know what you're getting with Biden. I understand you're dislike may be connected to the Zionist aspect. To be honest I don't know much about his connection.

JenE4
by Silver Member on Oct. 30, 2009 at 12:49 PM

I agree with Pam about Bill. He is a factor in why Hillary as SoS makes so much sense. It's fantastic to send them both of them out to go chat up other heads of state. I could only imagine the glares Hillary must give Bill if he tries "taking over" HER gig, lol, but it's nice that as a couple, they would already have a rapport with some leaders.

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Della529
by on Oct. 30, 2009 at 1:08 PM


Quoting 1bluediamond:


Quoting Della529:

 

Quoting 1bluediamond:

Well I like Joe Biden.

Really?  May I ask what you like about him?

He tells it exactly how it is. He doesn't give a lot of fluff and hope for approval. Regardless of his foot in mouth syndrome which is part of his appeal for me, you know what you're getting with Biden. I understand you're dislike may be connected to the Zionist aspect. To be honest I don't know much about his connection.

I would welcome the idea that a politician could call it as he/she views it.  I think too many have become accustomed to what they "wish" to hear, instead of cold, hard facts.

You are correct in your interpretation of my stance on his Zionistic policies.  I see him and Obama as being "all talk" when it comes down to the rights of the Palestinians.  His SPEECH to AIPAC in May of this year was full of fluff.  I say this because the US administration has become a bit wishy-washy.  No more Israeli settlements, Israel pauses for a moment and then continues in the exact same path without even a slap on the hand by our leaders.  Same stuff, different day.

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