Something you might not have seen in the Qur'an

[cowgirlsr2]

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Lying (Taqiyya and Kitman)
Question: Are Muslims permitted to lie?
Summary Answer: Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences." There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman.  These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause Islam, in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.
The Qur'an: Qur'an (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie. Qur'an (3:28) - This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves."  Qur'an (9:3) - "...Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters..."  The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture.  They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway. Qur'an (40:28) - A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must "hide his faith" among those who are not believers. Qur'an (2:225) - "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts" Qur'an (66:2) - "Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths" Qur'an (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers."  The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means deceit.  If Allah is deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be "compelled" to deceive others for a greater purpose.
From the Hadith: Bukhari (52:269) - "The Prophet said, 'War is deceit.'"  The context of this is thought to be the murder of Usayr ibn Zarim and his thirty unarmed men by Muhammad's men after he "guaranteed" them safe passage (see Additional Notes below). Bukhari (49:857) - "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar."  Lying is permitted when the end justifies the means. Bukhari (84:64-65) - Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permissible in order to deceive an "enemy." Bukhari (52:271) - Recounts the murder of a poet, Ka'b bin al-Ashraf, at Muhammad's insistence.  The men who volunteered for the assassination used dishonesty to gain Ka'b's trust, pretending that they had turned against Muhammad.  This drew the victim out of his fortress, whereupon he was brutally slaughtered despite putting up a ferocious struggle for his life. From Islamic Law: Reliance of the Traveler (p. 746 - 8.2) -  "Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it.  When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible (N:i.e. when the purpose of lying is to circumvent someone who is preventing one from doing something permissible), and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory... it is religiously precautionary in all cases to employ words that give a misleading impression... "One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie.
Additional Notes:   Muslims are allowed to lie to unbelievers in order to defeat them.  The two forms are: Taqiyya - Saying something that isn't true. Kitman - Lying by omission.  An example would be when Muslim apologists quote only a fragment of verse 5:32 (that if anyone kills "it shall be as if he had killed all mankind") while neglecting to mention that the rest of the verse (and the next) mandate murder in undefined cases of "corruption" and "mischief."  Though not called Taqiyya by name, Muhammad clearly used deception when he signed a 10-year treaty with the Meccans that allowed him access to their city while he secretly prepared his own forces for a takeover.  The unsuspecting residents were conquered in easy fashion after he broke the treaty two years later, and some of the people in the city who had trusted him at his word were executed.  Another example of lying is when Muhammad used deception to trick his personal enemies into letting down their guard and exposing themselves to slaughter by pretending to seek peace.  This happened in the case of Ka'b bin al-Ashraf (as previously noted) and again later against Usayr ibn Zarim, a surviving leader of the Banu Nadir tribe, which had been evicted from their home in Medina by the Muslims. At the time, Usayr ibn Zarim was attempting to gather an armed force against the Muslims from among a tribe allied with the Quraish (against which Muhammad had already declared war).  Muhammad's "emissaries" went to ibn Zarim and persuaded him to leave his safe haven on the pretext of meeting with the prophet of Islam in Medina to discuss peace.  Once vulnerable, the leader and his thirty companions were massacred by the Muslims with ease, belying the probability that they were mostly unarmed, having been given a guarantee of safe haven (Ibn Ishaq 981). Such was the reputation of Muslims for lying and then killing that even those who "accepted Islam" did not feel entirely safe.  The fate of the Jadhima is tragic evidence for this.  When Muslim "missionaries" approached their tribe one of the members insisted that they would be slaughtered even though they had already "converted" to Islam to avoid just such a demise.  However, the others were convinced that they could trust the Muslim leader's promise that they would not be harmed if they simply offered no resistance.  (After convincing the skeptic to lay down his arms, the unarmed men of the tribe were quickly tied up and beheaded - Ibn Ishaq 834 & 837). Today's Muslims often try to justify Muhammad's murder of poets and others who criticized him at Medina by saying that they broke a treaty by their actions.  Yet, these same apologists place little value on treaties broken by Muslims.  From Muhammad to Saddam Hussein, promises made to non-Muslim are distinctly non-binding in the Muslim mindset. The 9/11 hijackers practiced deception by going into bars and drinking alcohol, thus throwing off potential suspicion that they were fundamentalists plotting jihad.  This effort worked so well, in fact, that even weeks after 9/11, John Walsh, the host of a popular American television show, said that their bar trips were evidence of 'hypocrisy.' The transmission from Flight 93 records the hijackers telling their doomed passengers that there is "a bomb on board" but that everyone will "be safe" as long as "their demands are met."  Obviously none of these things were true, but these men, who were so intensely devoted to Islam that they were willing to "slay and be slain for the cause of Allah" (as the Qur'an puts it) saw nothing wrong with employing Taqiyya in order to facilitate their mission of mass murder. The near absence of Qur'anic verse and reliable Hadith that encourage truthfulness is somewhat surprising, given that many Muslims are convinced that their religion teaches honesty.  In fact, it is because of this ingrained belief that most Muslims are quite honest. Finally, the circumstances by which Muhammad allowed a believer to lie are limited to those that either advance the cause of Islam or enable a Muslim to avoid harm to his well-being (and presumably that of other Muslims as well).  Although this should be kept very much in mind when dealing with matters of global security, such as Iran's nuclear intentions, it is not grounds for assuming that the Muslim one might personally encounter on the street or in the workplace is any less honest than anyone else.

[realPatientMama]

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Something you might not have seen in the Qur'an

Because it's not there.  Here's the truth AND my proof.  Next time I suggest you use an Islamic site, not an Anti-Islamic one and practise what it says DO NOT TELL LIES.

The Taqiyya Libel Against Muslims

by Sheila Musaji

It has become prevalent in Islamophobic circles to misrepresent the Arabic term taqiyya.  For example, one recent article “informed” readers that: 

Taqiyya literally means: “Concealing or disguising one’s beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies at a time of eminent danger, whether now or later in time, to save oneself from physical and/or mental injury.” It is also used as a disinformation tactic to confuse or bamboozle kafirs or non-believers.

Note that the actual definition is in quotation marks while the rest of the paragraph (which I have underlined) is something added to the meaning by someone who wishes to distort the term.

Taqiyya actually refers to a controversial minority doctrine or dispensation that allows for an individual to conceal their faith when under threat, persecution or compulsion. Even those who believe that taqiyyah is possible under such circumstances place severe limits on the possibility and see it as an option that represents “the lesser of two evils”.  The possibility of using taqiyya even in a situation where you are endangered is not accepted by all scholars or schools of law. 

What does the Qur’an actually say about lying and telling the truth?

“And cover not Truth with falsehood, nor conceal the Truth when ye know (what it is).  (Qur’an, 2:42)”

“If ye are on a journey, and cannot find a scribe, a pledge with possession (may serve the purpose). And if one of you deposits a thing on trust with another, Let the trustee (Faithfully) discharge His trust, and let him fear his Lord. Conceal not evidence; for whoever conceals it,- His heart is tainted with sin. And God Knoweth all that ye do.  (Qur’an, 2:283)”

“O ye who believe! Stand out firmly For justice, as witnesses To Allah, even as against Yourselves, or your parents, Or your kin, and whether It be (against) rich or poor: For Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (Of your hearts), lest ye Swerve, and if ye Distort (justice) or decline To do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted With all that ye do.  (Qur’an, 4:135)”

“But if anyone earns A fault or a sin And throws it on to one That is innocent, He carries (on himself) (Both) a falsehood And a flagrant sin.  (Qur’an, 4:112)”

“...Help ye one another In righteousness and piety, But help ye not one another In sin and rancour: Fear Allah: for Allah Is strict in punishment.  (Qur’an, 5:2)”

“O ye who believe! Stand out firmly For Allah, as witnesses To fair dealing, and let not The hatred of others To you make you swerve To wrong and depart from Justice. Be just: that is Next to Piety: and fear Allah. For Allah is well-acquainted With all that ye do.  (Qur’an, 5:8)”

“O you who believe, you shall reverence GOD, and be among the truthful.” (Qur’an 9:119)

“Allah commands justice, the doing Of good, and liberality to kith And kin, and He forbids All shameful deeds, and injustice And rebellion: He instructs you, That ye may receive admonition.  (Qur’an, 16:90)”

“It is only those who believe not in the Ayah (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah, who fabricate falsehood, and it is they who are liars.” (Qur’an 16:105)

“The submitting men, the submitting women, the believing men, the believing women, the obedient men, the obedient women, the truthful men, the truthful women, the steadfast men, the steadfast women, the reverent men, the reverent women, the charitable men, the charitable women, the fasting men, the fasting women, the chaste men, the chaste women, and the men who commemorate GOD frequently, and the commemorating women; GOD has prepared for them forgiveness and a great recompense.” (Qur’an 33:35)

“Truly Allah guides not one who transgresses and lies.” (Qur’an 40:28)

“Woe to each sinful dealer in Falsehoods:  (Qur’an, 45:7)”

“Oh prophet! Accept the pledges of the believing women, when they come to take their oaths of allegiance to you. Provided, they pledge that they would not join any partners with Allah, would not steal, commit adultery or kill their children, and would not indulge in slander, and would not concoct lies on their own. Also, that they would not disobey you in what is right. Seek forgiveness for them from Allah! Certainly Allah is the most Forgiving and the most Merciful.  (Qur’an, 60:12)”

What do the hadith say?

“Be honest because honesty leads to goodness, and goodness leads to Paradise. Beware of falsehood because it leads to immorality, and immorality leads to Hell.”

Abdullah bin Mas`ud (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: The Prophet (PBUH) said, “Truth leads to piety and piety leads to Jannah. A man persists in speaking the truth till he is enrolled with Allah as a truthful. Falsehood leads to vice and vice leads to the Fire (Hell), and a person persists on telling lies until he is enrolled as a liar”.’

It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “The signs of the hypocrite are three: when he speaks, he lies; when he makes a promise, he breaks it; and when he is entrusted with something, he betrays that trust.” (Narrated by al-Bukhari, 33; Muslim, 59)

Hasan bin `Ali (May Allah be pleased with them) said: I remember (these words) from Messenger of Allah (PBUH): “Give up what is doubtful to you for that which is not doubtful; for truth is peace of mind and falsehood is doubt”.  [At-Tirmidhi].

Hakim bin Hizam (May Allah be pleased with him) reported that: Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said: “Both parties in a business transaction have a right to annul it so long as they have not separated; and if they tell the truth and make everything clear to each other (i.e., the seller and the buyer speak the truth, the seller with regard to what is purchased, and the buyer with regard to the money) they will be blessed in their transaction, but if they conceal anything and lie, the blessing on their transaction will be eliminated.’’
[Al-Bukhari and Muslim]. 

Another article points to some verses in the Qur’an that talk about what a believer should do to make up for a false oath:

“ Allah will not call you to account for what is futile in your oaths, but He will call you to account for your deliberate oaths: for expiation, feed ten indigent persons, on a scale of the average for the food of your families; or clothe them; or give a slave his freedom. If that is beyond your means, fast for three days. That is the expiation for the oaths ye have sworn. But keep to your oaths. Thus doth Allah make clear to you His signs, that ye may be grateful.” Surah 5:89

“Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness (vain) in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts; and He is Oft-forgiving, Most Forbearing.” Surah 2:225

“Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief, except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty.” Surah 16: 106

And, the author finds the following meaning in these verses:  “These and similar passages from the Quran clearly reveal that Muslims’ unintentional lies are forgivable and that even their intentional lies can be absolved by performing extra duties. It is also clear that if forced to do so, Muslims can lie while under oath and can even falsely deny faith in Allah, as long as they maintain the profession of faith in their hearts.”

This is really nonsense.  If a Catholic tells a lie, they can go to confession and the priest will assign a penance for the wrong they have done which does not mean that the Catholic Church is allowing Catholics to lie, or that Catholics cannot be trusted because they can atone for doing something wrong.

The Qur’an is realistic about human nature and the fact that we will stumble and fall, and provides opportunities for us to do penance for our mistakes.

I would point those who are determined to continually paint Islam as so wholly other as to be unintelligible to “civilized” people that discussions about whether or not it is ever permissable to lie, and the concept of the lesser of two evils have been discussed by Christian scholars over the centuries, and they too have come to varying opinions.  In a discussion about moral absolutism on a Christian theology site the following argument is given:

“This position is probably the easiest to explain. When confronted with a moral dilemma, such as the midwives lying to protect the children or Rahab lying to protect the spies (see Joshua 2:1), what we must do is simply choose the lesser of two evils. In these two instances lying is the lesser sin than failing to protect the life of your neighbor. In these situations what we must do is admit that we had done wrong, repent, and ask God for forgiveness. In both of these situations God praised the women, not for their lying, but for their faith and doing the best they could in such a tough situation.”

http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/the_taqiyya_libel_against_muslims/

[hsteele]

What is your problem. Why do you go searching for ways to insult an entire culture with misinformation and idiocy? I could go google some pretty nasty verses from the Bible and post them here too, and they wouldn't be lies. But what is the point of that? How does this facilitate tolerance and love? I thought you were a Christian?

[muslimah]

Quoting hsteele:

What is your problem. Why do you go searching for ways to insult an entire culture with misinformation and idiocy? I could go google some pretty nasty verses from the Bible and post them here too, and they wouldn't be lies. But what is the point of that? How does this facilitate tolerance and love? I thought you were a Christian?

Because she is so completely ignorant just as her misinformed post proves her to be.

[mistynights234]

I am embarrassed and appalled at your blatant attempt at spreading hate.  Why did you do this?  What kind of point are you trying to make?  You are a trouble maker and you should be ashamed of yourself.  You do realize that you just made yourself look "not so smart" to thousands of women..........You need to apologize. 

[heathermarie32]

 

 

[margroc]

Wow Cowgirlsr2 - way to try to incite.  The saddest part is that I'm not surprised in the least.  This is exactly what I'd expect from you.  You should be ashamed.

[muslimah]

I am re posting my reply from the other post which is something you may not have seen in your Bible.

And as for the Christians...

 Before you start with that bull shit about Jesus (pbuh) coming and changing what was previous written, well not only is that picking  and choosing which part of YOUR book you will follow but God is not interchangeable as man is.

I would say that that the below is another example of mans changing the original message of the (Injeel and the Torah) the Bible but it is none the less evil and violent.

[Deut. 25:11]
When men fight with one another, and the wife of the one draws near to rescue
her husband from the hand of him who is beating him, and puts out her hand
seizes him by the private parts, then you shall cut off her hand; your eye
shall have not pity.

[Judg. 3:31]
Samson went and caught three hundred foxes, and took torches; and he turned
them tail to tail, and took a torch between each pair of tails. And when he
had set fire to the torches, he let the foxes go into the standing of the
Philistines and burned up the shocks and the standing grain, as well as the
olive orchards.

[Judg. 15:15]
And he found a jawbone of an ass, and put out his hand and seized it and with
it HE SLEW A THOUSAND MEN.
And Samson said: "With the jawbone of an ass, heaps upon heaps, WITH THE
JAWBONE OF AN ASS HAVE I SLAIN A THOUSAND MEN."

KILL WOMEN, CHILDREN, ANIMALS !!

[Ezek. 9:5]
And the Lord said, "Go through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare,
neither have you pity. SLAY UTTERLY OLD AND YOUNG, BOTH MAIDS AND LITTLE
CHILDREN, AND WOMEN.
[Num. 31:1]
And the Lord said unto Moses, "Avenge the children of the Mid'-an'ites.. They
warred against the Mid'-i-an'ites, as the Lord commanded Moses, and they slay
all the males.
And they took all women as captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil
of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. And they burnt
all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.

Moses said, "HAVE YOU SAVED ALL THE WOMEN ALIVE?
NOW KILL EVERY MALE AMONG THE LITTLE ONES, AND KILL EVERY WOMAN
that has known a man by lying with him, but all the young girls who have not
known a man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves.

[Josh 6:16]
Joshua said to the people of Israel, "The Lord has given you the city (of the
Canaanites).. all silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are c
consecrated unto the Lord: They shall come into the treasury of the Lord.
The people utterly DESTROYED ALL THAT WAS IN THE CITY, BOTH MAN AND WOMAN,
YOUNG AND OLD, AND OX AND SHEEP, AND ASS, WITH THE EDGE OF THE SWORD.

KILLING, KIDNAPPING, SLAVERY

[Josh. 16:10]
So the Canaanites have dwelt in the midst of E'phraim to this day, but become
slaves to do forced labour. (see also Joshua 17:13 and Judg. 1:30)
[Judg. 21:10]
The congregation of Benjamin sent twelve thousand of their bravest men, and
commanded them, "Go and smite the inhabitants of Ja'-besh-gil'ead with the
edge of the sword; also the women and the little ones. Every male and every
woman that has lain with a male YOU SHALL UTTERLY DESTROY.

And they found among the inhabitants four hundred YOUNG VIRGINS who had not
known a man by lying with him; and they brought them to the camp of Shiloh,
which is the land of Canaan. And Benjamin returned at that time, and they
gave them the women whom they had saved alive of the women of
Ja'besh-gil'ead, but they did not suffice for them.

[Deut. 20:10]
When you draw near to a city to fight against it, offer terms of peace to it.
And if its answer to you is peace and it opens to you, then all the people who
are found in it SHALL BE FORCED LABOUR FOR YOU AND SHALL SERVE YOU.

But if it makes no peace with you, then you shall besiege it, .. YOU SHALL PUT
ALL ITS MALES TO THE SWORD, BUT THE WOMEN AND THE LITTLE ONES, the cattle and
every thing else in the city all its spoil, YOU SHALL TAKE AS BOOTY FOR
YOURSELVES; AND YOU SHALL ENJOY THE SPOIL OF YOUR ENEMIES.

REVENGE, SWORD, FIRE !!

[Heb. 12:29]  OUR GOD IS DESTROYING FIRE.
[Psalm. 94:1] O LORD, YOU GOD OF VENGEANCE.
[Job 7:21]    Why do not you pardon my transgression and take away my iniquity?
[Ezek. 11:8]  God said, "You have feared the sword, the sword I will bring
              upon you."
[Amos 9:1]    I will slay that left of them with the sword, not one of them
              shall flee away.. I WILL COMMAND THE SWORD, AND IT SHALL SLAY
              THEM.
[Jer. 49:37]  I will send the sword after them, until I have consumed them.
              (Let those who say Islam is the religion of the sword know that
              the word "sword" is never mentioned in the Quran while the
              Bible mentions it many times, in the way that you see here.)
[Ezek. 12:14] I will unsheathe the sword after them. I will let a few of them
              escape from the sword, from famine and pestilence.

 

[MissBearNMonkey]

Shame on YOU!!

Are you NUTS?????? That's a serious question. Anyone who would take the time out of their lives to find and post something like this JUST to antagonize and hurt a group of women in this group who are active and respectful is just....well, just DISGUSTING.

I have to go take a shower now. Yuck.

Oh and by they way, O Fired Up About Darfur One, why don't you do a little research into who's ultimately FUNDING that genocide? I HOPE you'll realize just how ignorant and hypocritical your blind support of Israel is. I really do. Otherwise, your righteous indignation is a fucking JOKE.

[jaxTheMom]

What is your basic purpose behind this post?

[margroc]

Ah c'mon Jax - of course you know what her purpose is.  She's just trying to get a little hatred going on.

Quoting jaxTheMom:

What is your basic purpose behind this post?