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Hot Topic (12/8): Should tax dollars pay for abortions?

Posted by on Dec. 8, 2009 at 1:31 AM
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Abortion Bomb Hits Senate Health Debate »

Nebraska Sen. Ben Nelson dropped his anti-abortion amendment into the Senate health care debate this afternoon, essentially lifting the language from the House version that so angered the left.

Nelson, a staunch pro-life advocate, partnered with fellow Democratic Sen. Bob Casey and several Republicans to offer the measure, saying it’s necessary to ensure no federal dollars are spent on elective abortions.

“Most Americans, even some who support abortion, do not want taxpayer money to be used for abortions,” Nelson said in his floor speech. “We should not break with precedent on this bill.”

Nelson said the amendment would bar women from abortion coverage if they get any sort of subsidy, and would bar it entirely from the public plan, should there be one.

“As President Obama has said, ‘This is a health care reform bill, it’s not an abortion bill,’” he added.

New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand begged to differ on his interpretation, however, as did other Democrats, calling it an unprecedented expansion of restrictions on a legal medical procedure.

“His reading of his amendment is not the same as my reading of the amendment,” Gillibrand told us. “it’s a significant departure from current federal law. And while we can agree that many Americans are very comfortable with current federal law… what this does is vastly expand that.

“This is an amendment that basically makes it impossible for women to have access to a full range of reproductive services whether they purchase it themselves, whether they’re subsidized or not,” she added.

She predicted Nelson does not have the votes to pass his amendment, but she planned to speak up on the Senate floor soon anyway to make the point that the measure — included in the House bill as the Stupak amendment — should not wind up in the finished legislation after it goes through the conference committee.

And that’s where things will get interesting. Keeping anti-abortion Democrats in the House on board with the finished bill could be tough, and a very convincing argument will have to be made that the explicit anti-abortion language already in the bill is good enough.

Gillibrand noted that the federal government segregates funds all the time in its programs, such as cash that goes to religious institutions for secular purposes, and believes the same can be done with health care, ensuring public money is not used for elective abortion.

“We segregate funds often, so it’s not an accounting gimmick,” Gillibrand said, referring to one of the pro-life criticisms of the bill.

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Are you in favor or against this amendment?

Should tax-payer dollars pay for abortions?

What are your thoughts on this issue?

 





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tericared
by on Dec. 8, 2009 at 2:40 AM

 

Are you in favor or against this amendment?

I haven't read the amendment so  I cant really comment..

Should tax-payer dollars pay for abortions?

Maybe in the case of rape, incest, or a life and death situation.

What are your thoughts on this issue?

I think it is a woman's choice to get an abortion, giving one free to some one on State Aid though should only be done in the cases I mentioned above.

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DejaVooDoo
by Member on Dec. 8, 2009 at 2:47 AM

Elective abortions are just that - elective.  If you "choose" to have an abortion for an elective procedure then I think it is only fair that the person wanting the surgery should pay for it.

Living in Australia, there is a segregation of funds surrounding abortion.  It can be done, even though each State is responsible for their abortion laws.  Living on Australia's East Coast most if not all women in this state pay for their own abortions, even with a Universal Health Care in place.  It is not out to deny women the right to abort.  Just that if you choose to want an abortion, then you pay for it yourself.

I have undertaken lap surgery for an ectopic pregnancy, which was covered by the State free of charge.  There are mitigating circumstances where Government will pay for abortion type procedures.  Which also includes the right to abortion in cases of rape and incest. 

Funding abortions shouldn't be on their agenda the most.  Providing birth control to people who want it to prevent pregnancy should be going over the top of that list.  Which one is better?  Prevention or treatment after conception?




JoshiRachelsMom
by on Dec. 8, 2009 at 3:17 AM

This:

Quoting tericared:

 

Are you in favor or against this amendment?

I haven't read the amendment so  I cant really comment..

Should tax-payer dollars pay for abortions?

Maybe in the case of rape, incest, or a life and death situation.

What are your thoughts on this issue?

I think it is a woman's choice to get an abortion, giving one free to some one on State Aid though should only be done in the cases I mentioned above.


hsteele
by on Dec. 8, 2009 at 5:42 AM

I think that abortion should be covered as long as it is a medically necessary procedure.

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TightwadMom
by New Member on Dec. 8, 2009 at 7:00 AM

I believe a woman has a right to choose, and I believe she should be allowed to choose abortion.

I don't believe, however that taxpayer dollars should be used to pay for abortion.

 

 

smcclure2005
by Member on Dec. 8, 2009 at 7:12 AM

I believe that a woman has a choice as well , but however I do not in anyway think that the taxpayer should pay for it. If you want it you  pay for it.

2-goobersmom
by New Member on Dec. 8, 2009 at 7:16 AM

Abortions should not be a choice. I will be absolutely livid if I have to pay for abortions.

home-sweet-home
by Silver Member on Dec. 8, 2009 at 7:47 AM

Are you in favor or against this amendment?  I have not read it, but I do not want to have to pay for abortions.

Should tax-payer dollars pay for abortions? No. It is an elective procedure and harmful. It should in no way be paid for by our tax money. Most insurances do not cover elective procedures, why would they cover this? In the case of an ectoptic etc, I think it should be covered, but not electively, only medically neccessary.

What are your thoughts on this issue? I find it interesting that 100% of the replies in here (prolife and prochoice) are against it being covered by tax payer money. Why is there even a debate?


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greenlvnanna
by on Dec. 8, 2009 at 7:48 AM

I think its way to easy to get an abortion.  Women would think about alternative options a little more if it werent so easy.  I think it is important to have money available for women who do choose to have an abortion but there needs to be some sort of way to assess if they are aware of other options for their baby, or for their own lifestyles so that they can find the strength to have a family despite whatever factors may be holding them back.  I was really disturbed by one woman who was planning to get an abortion for the 7th time!  I asked her why and she said she used it like birth control:(  It definitely should not be paid for by taxpayers for someone like this! 

jaxTheMom
by on Dec. 8, 2009 at 8:10 AM

My tax dollars go to fund all kinds of stuff that makes me livid.  I don't get a choice.

I haven't read the amendment - but my feeling is, using the health care reform to attempt to change the status of our abortion laws, if that is actually what's being done (and they'll slide it in anywhere they can) just further holds things up.

If they need more time to come up with an amendment that restricts government funding of elective abortions without introducing language that could be used in the future to restrict abortion rights, then pass the damned health care as it is now, and take that time.  Introduce an amendment in the future - take the time to do it right. 

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