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US military smokes Al Qaeda with Jesus guns

Posted by on Jan. 18, 2010 at 6:11 PM
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This is interesting. I found it on another forum I belong to:

U.S. Military Weapons Inscribed With Secret 'Jesus' Bible Codes Pentagon Supplier for Rifle Sights Says It Has 'Always' Added New Testament References

By JOSEPH RHEE, TAHMAN BRADLEY and BRIAN ROSS Jan. 18, 2010 -

Coded references to New Testament Bible passages about Jesus Christ are inscribed on high-powered rifle sights provided to the United States military by a Michigan company, an ABC News investigation has found.

The sights are used by U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and in the training of Iraqi and Afghan soldiers. The maker of the sights, Trijicon, has a $660 million multi-year contract to provide up to 800,000 sights to the Marine Corps, and additional contracts to provide sights to the U.S. Army.

U.S. military rules specifically prohibit the proselytizing of any religion in Iraq or Afghanistan and were drawn up in order to prevent criticism that the U.S. was embarked on a religious "Crusade" in its war against al Qaeda and Iraqi insurgents.

One of the citations on the gun sights, 2COR4:6, is an apparent reference to Second Corinthians 4:6 of the New Testament, which reads: "For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

" Other references include citations from the books of Revelation, Matthew and John dealing with Jesus as "the light of the world." John 8:12, referred to on the gun sights as JN8:12, reads, "Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."

Trijicon confirmed to ABCNews.com that it adds the biblical codes to the sights sold to the U.S. military. Tom Munson, director of sales and marketing for Trijicon, which is based in Wixom, Michigan, said the inscriptions "have always been there" and said there was nothing wrong or illegal with adding them. Munson said the issue was being raised by a group that is "not Christian." The company has said the practice began under its founder, Glyn Bindon, a devout Christian from South Africa who was killed in a 2003 plane crash.

'It violates the Constitution'

The company's vision is described on its Web site: "Guided by our values, we endeavor to have our products used wherever precision aiming solutions are required to protect individual freedom." "We believe that America is great when its people are good," says the Web site. "This goodness has been based on Biblical standards throughout our history, and we will strive to follow those morals."

Spokespeople for the U.S. Army and the Marine Corps both said their services were unaware of the biblical markings. They said officials were discussing what steps, if any, to take in the wake of the ABCNews.com report. It is not known how many Trijicon sights are currently in use by the U.S. military.

The biblical references appear in the same type font and size as the model numbers on the company's Advanced Combat Optical Guides, called the ACOG. A photo on a Department of Defense Web site shows Iraqi soldiers being trained by U.S. troops with a rifle equipped with the bible-coded sights. "It's wrong, it violates the Constitution, it violates a number of federal laws," said Michael "Mikey" Weinstein of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, an advocacy group that seeks to preserve the separation of church and state in the military.

'Firearms of Jesus Christ'

"It allows the Mujahedeen, the Taliban, al Qaeda and the insurrectionists and jihadists to claim they're being shot by Jesus rifles," he said. Weinstein, an attorney and former Air Force officer, said many members of his group who currently serve in the military have complained about the markings on the sights. He also claims they've told him that commanders have referred to weapons with the sights as "spiritually transformed firearm[s] of Jesus Christ."

He said coded biblical inscriptions play into the hands of "those who are calling this a Crusade." According to a government contracting watchdog group, fedspending.org, Trijicon had more than $100 million in government contracts in fiscal year 2008. The Michigan company won a $33 million Pentagon contract in July, 2009 for a new machine gun optic, according to Defense Industry Daily. The company's earnings from the U.S. military jumped significantly after 2005, when it won a $660 million long-term contract to supply the Marine Corps with sights.

"This is probably the best example of violation of the separation of church and state in this country," said Weinstein. "It's literally pushing fundamentalist Christianity at the point of a gun against the people that we're fighting. We're emboldening an enemy."

by on Jan. 18, 2010 at 6:11 PM
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survivorinohio
by René on Jan. 18, 2010 at 6:42 PM

This is awful. 

I am a Christian but I find nothing good in this.

               

How far you go in life depends on your being: tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and tolerant of both the weak and strong.  Because someday in life you would have been one or all of these.  GeorgeWashingtonCarver


hsteele
by on Jan. 18, 2010 at 11:47 PM

How sick. If Jesus was a real person, by what the bible says of him, he would not be thrilled with his teachings being inscribed on weapons. How ridiculous of a manufacturer of objects manufactured for the express purpose of death and pain to speak of "christian values".

Heather
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LauraKW
by "Dude!" on Jan. 18, 2010 at 11:50 PM

I recall hearing about that.  Makes me queasy.  And how much money do you think it cost so some asswipe could brag to his church he was helping to kill in God's name?  I'm Christian before you go off on me there.

tericared
by on Jan. 19, 2010 at 12:24 AM

sick

Goodwoman614
by Satan on Jan. 19, 2010 at 12:36 AM


Quoting hsteele:

How sick. If Jesus was a real person, by what the bible says of him, he would not be thrilled with his teachings being inscribed on weapons. How ridiculous of a manufacturer of objects manufactured for the express purpose of death and pain to speak of "christian values".But you see, there is a strong argument that those ARE Christian values;the bible tells us so...


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tericared
by on Jan. 19, 2010 at 12:40 AM


Quoting Goodwoman614:

 

Quoting hsteele:

How sick. If Jesus was a real person, by what the bible says of him, he would not be thrilled with his teachings being inscribed on weapons. How ridiculous of a manufacturer of objects manufactured for the express purpose of death and pain to speak of "christian values".But you see, there is a strong argument that those ARE Christian values;the bible tells us so...

 

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SxyMartini
by on Jan. 19, 2010 at 1:10 PM


Oh yes! I'm sure Jesus would want that on GUNS. 

Maddow said it best last night. 

Godgaveme4
by Platinum Member on Jan. 19, 2010 at 4:08 PM

I do not see where this is going against the constitution.  Maybe i missed something.

Are they pointing the biblical phrase out before they shoot the other person?

And if you are not familiar with the Bible would anyone even know what it was?  And if it is the same size as the model numbers and looks like the model numbers how is it even visible.

I think it is funny that a groups of people and a news organization are condemning a company for doing this and accusing them of putting our military men in more danger because of it.  Where as I am wondering who even know of it before.  But NOW that we have put it out there in the news in articles and shows EVERYONE is aware of it.  And therefore the only people that have put those men in more danger are the groups that made a big deal of it.  JMO.

Raintree
by Ruby Member on Jan. 19, 2010 at 4:11 PM

The establishment clause. That thing that Jefferson wrote the Danbury baptists about. How the separation of church and state protects BOTH.

They're looking THROUGH the bible verse before the blow away someone.

A lot of people are  very familiar with the Bible- whether or not the believe it appropriate to be used in this way. This is not only anti-constitution- it is anti- gospel.

How completely disgusting.

Quoting Godgaveme4:

I do not see where this is going against the constitution.  Maybe i missed something.

Are they pointing the biblical phrase out before they shoot the other person?

And if you are not familiar with the Bible would anyone even know what it was?  And if it is the same size as the model numbers and looks like the model numbers how is it even visible.

I think it is funny that a groups of people and a news organization are condemning a company for doing this and accusing them of putting our military men in more danger because of it.  Where as I am wondering who even know of it before.  But NOW that we have put it out there in the news in articles and shows EVERYONE is aware of it.  And therefore the only people that have put those men in more danger are the groups that made a big deal of it.  JMO.


WildKat
by Bronze Member on Jan. 19, 2010 at 4:16 PM

I read about this elsewhere as well.  Disgusting.

Peace,

Kat

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