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Does Obama Really Support Israel?

Posted by on Mar. 14, 2010 at 6:04 PM
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Israeli settlement action 'an insult': Obama aide

WASHINGTON (AFP) – Israel's announcement of plans to build 1,600 settler homes in east Jerusalem was not only an "insult" to the United States but "destructive" of the Middle East peace process, a top White House official said Sunday.

"This was an affront, it was an insult but most importantly it undermined this very fragile effort to bring peace to that region," said David Axelrod, one of President Barack Obama's closest advisers.

"We have just started proximity talks, that is shuttle diplomacy, between the Palestinians and the Israelis, and for this announcement to come at that time was very destructive," he said on NBC television's Meet the Press show.

Israel's announcement of plans to build the 1,600 housing units in mostly Arab east Jerusalem came March 10 during a visit by US Vice President Joe Biden that had aimed to encourage the first indirect Israeli-Palestinian talks since Israel's 2008-2009 offensive in Gaza.

Axelrod's comments were further evidence of the Obama administration's growing frustration with conservative Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Biden himself condemned the east Jerusalem building plan in a sharp statement issued in Jerusalem and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told Netanyahu directly in a 43-minute phone call that the announcement sent a "deeply negative" signal about Israel's approach to relations with Washington.

Axelrod said both Biden's and Clinton's words reflected Obama's thinking, and he said he believed Netanyahu had received the message.

His comments came after Netanyahu, who has expressed regret over the timing of the announcement, sought to calm down what many in Israel see as the worst crisis in US-Israeli relations in two decades.

"We opened the papers this morning and saw the analyses and reviews," Netanyahu said Sunday ahead of a weekly cabinet meeting. "I suggest we not get carried away, and calm down."

"We know how to deal with situations like these, calmly, responsibly and seriously," he said.

But there was no sign Washington was prepared to let go of the issue.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Netanyahu's expression of regret was "a good start" but suggested that the Israeli leader had more to do to placate his country's closest ally.

In an interview on Fox News Sunday, he said that in her conversation with Netanyahu, Clinton outlined steps that the United States thinks he should take.

"I think what would be an even better start is coming to the table with constructive ideas for constructive and trustful dialogue about moving the peace process forward," he said.

On ABC's This Week, Axelrod said, "Israel is a strong and special ally. The bonds run deep. But for just that very reason, this was not the right way to behave."

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Sweet_Faith
by Silver Member on Mar. 14, 2010 at 6:06 PM

Netanyahu isn't ignorant of Obama's devices, he knows that he doesn't have Israel's best intentions as Obama is pretending to like Israel because he happens to be the President and doesn't have a choice. I think we all know that Obama despises Israel and if he had it his way would take Israel away from the Jewish people and side with the Palestinians. As far as Obama's cabinet go who happen to be so-called Jewish, that's just what they are, so called. A REAL Jew would recognize Obama for who and what he is, someone with a social agenda and is wallowing in his presidential power with arrogance you can cut with a knife. I say so-called because all they are is Jewish by name or birth, their hearts are void of God. Obama and all those who hate Israel will have to learn the hard time on judgement day I guess. God clearly tells us in his Word that those who bless Israel will be blessed, but those who curse Israel WILL be cursed. You can either choose to believe or not believe God's Word, but remember those words when your time comes when you're face to face with our creator and if you cursed Israel then it will be too late for you. God bless Netanyahu and Israel!

jalex
by on Mar. 14, 2010 at 6:14 PM

Of course Obama would rather Israel's actions be peaceful for the sake of everyone...

hsteele
by on Mar. 14, 2010 at 6:39 PM

Are you ok them with stealing homes from the palestinian people? That is what they are doing. They are removing people from their homes so they can tear them down and build better homes for Jews. Because of course Jews are better than Muslims.  If Obama is not pro Israel, good for him. He does not allow religious views to keep him from seeing what is not right. But that does not make him a secret Jew hater. Our president is not the only western leader who does not believe Israel should be given free reign to hurt whoever they wish.

Sweet_Faith
by Silver Member on Mar. 14, 2010 at 6:55 PM

Are you OK with Hamas shooting off rockets and murdering innocent men, women and children? Not to mention they kill their own people, are you OK with that?

hsteele
by on Mar. 14, 2010 at 7:02 PM

No, but not all Palestinians agree with what Hammas does, but just so you are aware, the Israeli army does the same thing and lets keep in mind that this was Palestine less than 100 years ago. The Jews were handed a country that was already home to the Palestinian people. If someone decided to hand over your country to another group of people, would you not fight for your home? Or would you just say, "oh well they had it so rough, I guess I will just let them bull doze my home and go live in squallar. After all, they are the chosen ones." And also keep in mind that your news is filtered through the pro zionist media and you don't get the other side of the story unless your willing to open your mind along with your eyes and see that its not black and white and its not all about the rights of the Jewish People.

Quoting Sweet_Faith:

Are you OK with Hamas shooting off rockets and murdering innocent men, women and children? Not to mention they kill their own people, are you OK with that?


Heather
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Sweet_Faith
by Silver Member on Mar. 14, 2010 at 7:21 PM

There has never been a civilization or a nation referred to as "Palestine" and the very notion of a "Palestinian Arab nation" having ancient attachments to the Holy Land going back to time immemorial is one of the biggest hoaxes ever perpetrated upon the world! There is not, nor has there ever been, a distinct "Palestinian" culture or language. Further, there has never been a Palestinian state governed BY Arab Palestinians in history, nor was there ever a serious Arab-Palestinian national movement until 1964... three years BEFORE the Arabs of "Palestine" lost the West Bank [Judea and Samaria] and Gaza  as a result of the 1967 Six-Day War (which the Arabs started). Even the so-called leader of the "Palestinian" people, Yasser Arafat, is EGYPTIAN! In short, the so-called Arab "Palestinians" are a manufactured people...a people with no history and no authenticity... whose sole purpose for existence is to destroy the Jewish State!

  Israel first became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam! Seven hundred and twenty-six years later in 586 B.C.E.  these first ancient Jews in the Land of Israel [Judea] were overrun and Israel's First Jewish Temple (on Jerusalem's Old City Temple Mount) was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar, king of ancient Babylon. Many of the Jews were killed or expelled; however many were allowed to remain.  These Jews along with their progeny and other Jews who would resettle over the next 500 years, rebuilt the Nation of Israel  and also a Second Temple in Jerusalem upon the Temple Mount. Thus the claim that Jews suddenly appeared fifty years ago right after the Holocaust and drove out the  Arabs is preposterous! 

Then in 70 C.E. (nearly 2000 years ago), it was the Roman Empire's turn to march through ancient Israel and destroy the SECOND Jewish Temple, slaughtering or driving out much of its Jewish population.  Many Jews left on their own because conditions for life were made unbearable in many respects... yet thousands upon thousands stayed and rebelled on for centuries in order to once again rebuild a Jewish Nation in this Holy Land. 

  Over 3250 years, various Peoples, Religions and Empires marched through Jerusalem, Israel's ancient capital. The region was successively ruled by the Hebrews [Jews], Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Maccabeans, Romans, Byzantines, Arabs, Egyptians, the Crusaders, Mamelukes, the Turks (who indifferently governed the backward, neglected territory from the 16th century until the British drove them out during World War I) and then once again by the Jews in 1948.  None bothered, nor were they in the least bit inclined, to build a Nation of their own... EXCEPT the Jews!  

  It must be noted that in 636 C.E., when the Arabs marauders came to the land and uprooted even more of its Jews, they did not form any Arab nation there... and certainly not a "Palestinian" nation.  They were simply "Arabs" who, as did others before them, moved into a geo-political area called "Palestine!"  And remember this one fact... it was not the Jews who "usurped" (a favorite word from the Arab propagandists) the land from the Arabs. If anything, it was the Arabs in 636 C.E. who overran and stole it from the Jews! 

 In Conclusion

  No nation, other than the ancient nation of Israel and later again in 1948 with the rebirth of the 2nd Nation of Israel, has ever ruled as a sovereign national entity on this land. A mighty Jewish empire extended over this entire area before the Arabs --- and their Islam --- were even born!  The Jewish People have one of the most legitimate Birth Certificates of any nations in the world. Every time there is an archaeological dig in Israel, it does nothing but support the fact that the Jewish People have had a presence there for well over 3,000 years. The national coins, the pottery, the cities, the ancient Hebrew texts... all support this claim. Yes, other peoples have passed through, but there is no mistaking the fact that Jews have always had a continual presence in that land for over 3,000 years. This predates and certain dwarfs any claims that other peoples in the regions may have. The ancient Philistines are extinct. Many other ancient peoples are extinct. They do not have the unbroken line to this date that the Jews have. And if you want to talk religion, fine.  G-d GAVE the Land of Israel to the Jewish People. And G-d does nothing by accident!

JoshiRachelsMom
by on Mar. 14, 2010 at 7:22 PM

 NO

stormcris
by Christy on Mar. 14, 2010 at 8:13 PM

The people of Israel broke a covenant and that covenant has not been fixed yet therefore trying to forcefully give them back land is against the will of God according to what is written.

100 Countries recognize the State of Palestine. Many countries including the US was a colony and Britain to this day does not recognize us as sovereign accordingly. In fact, the US is not a sovereign nation but a collaborative of many sovereign nations although that fact has been lost over time.(Reference Treaty of Paris if you need further reading) So the arguement about what Palestine is or is not is a matter of opinion and recognition. No one state is sovereign except it claims to be and is recognized as, which means in many cases Israel is not either. That is a volley arguement.

The Canaanites which are said to be the now called Arabs that reside there. Canaan was the land that is where they are now. This was the promised land that the Jews were thrown out of and no one of this current world can restore it to them, just as it was not given to them by anyone of this world in the first place. It belonged to the Canaanites before it was given to them though, so it would be naturally their land once the Nation of Israel was destroyed by breaking of the covenant. God had overthrown the Canaanites according to record so if it was meant to be as such now do you not think those people would be likewise overtaken quickly?

Quoting Sweet_Faith:

There has never been a civilization or a nation referred to as "Palestine" and the very notion of a "Palestinian Arab nation" having ancient attachments to the Holy Land going back to time immemorial is one of the biggest hoaxes ever perpetrated upon the world! There is not, nor has there ever been, a distinct "Palestinian" culture or language. Further, there has never been a Palestinian state governed BY Arab Palestinians in history, nor was there ever a serious Arab-Palestinian national movement until 1964... three years BEFORE the Arabs of "Palestine" lost the West Bank [Judea and Samaria] and Gaza  as a result of the 1967 Six-Day War (which the Arabs started). Even the so-called leader of the "Palestinian" people, Yasser Arafat, is EGYPTIAN! In short, the so-called Arab "Palestinians" are a manufactured people...a people with no history and no authenticity... whose sole purpose for existence is to destroy the Jewish State!

  Israel first became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam! Seven hundred and twenty-six years later in 586 B.C.E.  these first ancient Jews in the Land of Israel [Judea] were overrun and Israel's First Jewish Temple (on Jerusalem's Old City Temple Mount) was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar, king of ancient Babylon. Many of the Jews were killed or expelled; however many were allowed to remain.  These Jews along with their progeny and other Jews who would resettle over the next 500 years, rebuilt the Nation of Israel  and also a Second Temple in Jerusalem upon the Temple Mount. Thus the claim that Jews suddenly appeared fifty years ago right after the Holocaust and drove out the  Arabs is preposterous! 

Then in 70 C.E. (nearly 2000 years ago), it was the Roman Empire's turn to march through ancient Israel and destroy the SECOND Jewish Temple, slaughtering or driving out much of its Jewish population.  Many Jews left on their own because conditions for life were made unbearable in many respects... yet thousands upon thousands stayed and rebelled on for centuries in order to once again rebuild a Jewish Nation in this Holy Land. 

  Over 3250 years, various Peoples, Religions and Empires marched through Jerusalem, Israel's ancient capital. The region was successively ruled by the Hebrews [Jews], Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Maccabeans, Romans, Byzantines, Arabs, Egyptians, the Crusaders, Mamelukes, the Turks (who indifferently governed the backward, neglected territory from the 16th century until the British drove them out during World War I) and then once again by the Jews in 1948.  None bothered, nor were they in the least bit inclined, to build a Nation of their own... EXCEPT the Jews!  

  It must be noted that in 636 C.E., when the Arabs marauders came to the land and uprooted even more of its Jews, they did not form any Arab nation there... and certainly not a "Palestinian" nation.  They were simply "Arabs" who, as did others before them, moved into a geo-political area called "Palestine!"  And remember this one fact... it was not the Jews who "usurped" (a favorite word from the Arab propagandists) the land from the Arabs. If anything, it was the Arabs in 636 C.E. who overran and stole it from the Jews! 

 In Conclusion

  No nation, other than the ancient nation of Israel and later again in 1948 with the rebirth of the 2nd Nation of Israel, has ever ruled as a sovereign national entity on this land. A mighty Jewish empire extended over this entire area before the Arabs --- and their Islam --- were even born!  The Jewish People have one of the most legitimate Birth Certificates of any nations in the world. Every time there is an archaeological dig in Israel, it does nothing but support the fact that the Jewish People have had a presence there for well over 3,000 years. The national coins, the pottery, the cities, the ancient Hebrew texts... all support this claim. Yes, other peoples have passed through, but there is no mistaking the fact that Jews have always had a continual presence in that land for over 3,000 years. This predates and certain dwarfs any claims that other peoples in the regions may have. The ancient Philistines are extinct. Many other ancient peoples are extinct. They do not have the unbroken line to this date that the Jews have. And if you want to talk religion, fine.  G-d GAVE the Land of Israel to the Jewish People. And G-d does nothing by accident!


jenlaparl
by on Mar. 14, 2010 at 8:38 PM


Quoting Sweet_Faith:

I think we all know that Obama despises Israel and if he had it his way would take Israel away from the Jewish people and side with the Palestinians.

I would too.  What's your point?

The hell with Israel, they've caused us enough problems.  Even if it were true that Israel were in the right 100% in everything they ever did, which it obviously isn't, that still would not mean we have to babysit them to our own country's detriment.

Della529
by Matlock on Mar. 14, 2010 at 9:40 PM

 

Quoting Sweet_Faith:

Netanyahu isn't ignorant of Obama's devices, he knows that he doesn't have Israel's best intentions as Obama is pretending to like Israel because he happens to be the President and doesn't have a choice. I think we all know that Obama despises Israel and if he had it his way would take Israel away from the Jewish people and side with the Palestinians. As far as Obama's cabinet go who happen to be so-called Jewish, that's just what they are, so called. A REAL Jew would recognize Obama for who and what he is, someone with a social agenda and is wallowing in his presidential power with arrogance you can cut with a knife. I say so-called because all they are is Jewish by name or birth, their hearts are void of God. Obama and all those who hate Israel will have to learn the hard time on judgement day I guess. God clearly tells us in his Word that those who bless Israel will be blessed, but those who curse Israel WILL be cursed. You can either choose to believe or not believe God's Word, but remember those words when your time comes when you're face to face with our creator and if you cursed Israel then it will be too late for you. God bless Netanyahu and Israel!

 

You sound very similar to another member who is less than educated on anything outside of the realm of her own religious beliefs.  Tell me, tell us all, who would be a REAL Jew?  Are you Christian?  Do you understand how the Jews view Jesus and His mother Mary?

These links are from an Evangelical Christian.  I hope you will take the time to read them.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/barnwell/barnwell71.html

http://www.lewrockwell.com/barnwell/barnwell75.html

And, I hope you will take the time to read the following quote and answer this one question: when did the US have any enemies in the Middle East prior to 1948?

Is Israel Our Friend?
“Every time anyone says that Israel is our only friend in the Middle East, I can’t help but think that before Israel, we had no enemies in the Middle East.”
— John Sheehan, S.J.

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