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Updated : Bush's Glib Waterboarding Admission Sparks Outrage

Posted by on Jun. 3, 2010 at 10:33 AM
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Bush's Glib Waterboarding Admission Sparks Outrage


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George W. Bush's casual acknowledgmentWednesday that he had Khalid Sheikh Mohammed waterboarded -- and would do it again -- has horrified some former military and intelligence officials who argue that the former president doesn't seem to understand the gravity of what he is admitting.

Waterboarding, a form of controlled drowning, is "unequivocably torture", said retired Brigadier General David R. Irvine, a former strategic intelligence officer who taught prisoner of war interrogation and military law for 18 years.

"As a nation, we have historically prosecuted it as such, going back to the time of the Spanish-American War," Irvine said. "Moreover, it cannot be demonstrated that any use of waterboarding by U.S. personnel in recent years has saved a single American life."

Irvine told the Huffington Post that Bush doesn't appreciate how much harm his countenancing of torture has done to his country.

"Yeah, we waterboarded Khalid Sheikh Mohammed," Bush told a Grand Rapids audience Wednesday, of the self-professed 9/11 mastermind. "I'd do it again to save lives."

But, Irvine said: "When he decided to do it the first time, he launched the nation down a disastrous road, and we will continue to pay dearly for the damage his decision has caused.

"We are seen by the rest of the world as having abandoned our commitment to international law. We have forfeited enormous amounts of moral leadership as the world's sole remaining superpower. And it puts American troops in greater danger -- and unnecessary danger."

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James P. Cullen, a retired brigadier general in the United States Army Reserve Judge Advocate General's Corps, told HuffPost that the net effect of Bush's remarks -- and former Vice President Cheney's before him -- is "to establish a precedent where it will be permissible to our enemies to use waterboarding on our servicemen in future wars.

Cheney famously once agreed with an interviewer that "a dunk in the water" was "no-brainer" if it saves lives.

"This is not the last war we're going to fight," Cullen said. "Americans not yet born are going to be prisoners of war in those conflicts. And our enemies are going to be able to point back to President Bush and Vice President Cheney saying that waterboarding is OK.

"It's just shocking to me how he can be so flip about something that is so serious," Cullen said.

Matthew Alexander, the pseudonymous former Air Force interrogator and author of "How To Break A Terrorist" e-mailed HuffPost that Bush's statement "is de facto approval of the deaths of hundreds, if not thousands, of American soldiers in Iraq who were killed by foreign fighters that Al Qaida recruited based on the President's policy of torture and abuse of detainees.

"At least now we know where the blame for those soldiers' deaths squarely belongs. President Bush's decision broke with a military tradition dating back to General George Washington during the Revolutionary War and the consequences are clear: Al Qaida is stronger and our country is less safe."

Cullen and Irvine are among 15 former military and intelligence officials currently working with Human Rights First in Pennsylvania, meeting with congressional candidates from both parties to help inform them about issues of prisoner treatment and interrogation.

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George W. Bush Defends Waterboarding: Would Waterboard Khalid Sheik Mohammed Again


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George W. Bush defended waterboarding on Wednesday, saying he would waterboard Khalid Sheik Mohammed again.

GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. — Former President George W. Bush says if he had it to do over, he would still waterboard the self-professed mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks.

Waterboarding is a simulated drowning technique that the Obama administration considers torture. Bush acknowledged Wednesday that the U.S. used the harsh interrogation technique on Khalid Sheik Mohammed and said he would "do it again to save lives."

Bush made the comment while speaking to the Economic Club of Grand Rapids, Mich.

Mohammed was captured in Pakistan in 2003 and is the most senior al-Qaida operative in U.S. custody.

In his speech, Bush defended the decision to go to war with Iraq in 2003. He said ousting Saddam Hussein "was the right thing to do and the world is a better place without him."

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by on Jun. 3, 2010 at 10:33 AM
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catamaran1234
by Silver Member on Jun. 3, 2010 at 10:38 AM

So would I

tiggerabba
by Member on Jun. 3, 2010 at 10:39 AM

and?

SxyMartini
by on Jun. 3, 2010 at 10:39 AM

That's what happens when people aren't punished for their crimes...they would do it again..

morningdove831
by on Jun. 3, 2010 at 10:45 AM

Any better ideas to deal with terrorism then?  Does an interview complete with donuts and coffee get us the answers we need? 

Terrorists slowly saw off Americans' heads.  Remember Daniel Pearl, the American journalist whose slow, tortuous beheading was shown all over the internet?  If we start handling terrorists with kid gloves, then we can expect to be a sitting duck.

 


       

SxyMartini
by on Jun. 3, 2010 at 10:53 AM

So become terrorists ourselves? Question...what ever did happen with the proof they got real info from waterboarding?

catamaran1234
by Silver Member on Jun. 3, 2010 at 10:54 AM


Quoting morningdove831:

Any better ideas to deal with terrorism then?  Does an interview complete with donuts and coffee get us the answers we need? 

Terrorists slowly saw off Americans' heads.  Remember Daniel Pearl, the American journalist whose slow, tortuous beheading was shown all over the internet?  If we start handling terrorists with kid gloves, then we can expect to be a sitting duck.


Yeah then we can feel good about not hurting anyone's feelings because finding out answers that would keep us safe by waterboarding is so icky. It really is not so bad that they want to kill us.

 

morningdove831
by on Jun. 3, 2010 at 10:57 AM

Quoting SxyMartini:

So become terrorists ourselves? Question...what ever did happen with the proof they got real info from waterboarding?

I don't know all the answers, and I won't pretend to have them.  But I do think that if our country continues to slack up on terrorism, then we are making ourselves an even bigger target. 

 


       

morningdove831
by on Jun. 3, 2010 at 10:58 AM

 

Quoting catamaran1234:

 

Quoting morningdove831:

Any better ideas to deal with terrorism then?  Does an interview complete with donuts and coffee get us the answers we need? 

Terrorists slowly saw off Americans' heads.  Remember Daniel Pearl, the American journalist whose slow, tortuous beheading was shown all over the internet?  If we start handling terrorists with kid gloves, then we can expect to be a sitting duck.


Yeah then we can feel good about not hurting anyone's feelings because finding out answers that would keep us safe by waterboarding is so icky. It really is not so bad that they want to kill us.

 

 Exactly.  Let's not hurt the poor terrorists' feelings. 

 


       

tiggerabba
by Member on Jun. 3, 2010 at 10:59 AM

he is voicing HIS opinion, which is still allowed, and he has no power, so what is the point?

SxyMartini
by on Jun. 3, 2010 at 11:01 AM

icky? you might want to research what waterboarding is. It is against the treaty that we have with Nato. 

If America won't put him on trial the countries of Nato could.

Quoting catamaran1234:


Quoting morningdove831:

Any better ideas to deal with terrorism then?  Does an interview complete with donuts and coffee get us the answers we need? 

Terrorists slowly saw off Americans' heads.  Remember Daniel Pearl, the American journalist whose slow, tortuous beheading was shown all over the internet?  If we start handling terrorists with kid gloves, then we can expect to be a sitting duck.


Yeah then we can feel good about not hurting anyone's feelings because finding out answers that would keep us safe by waterboarding is so icky. It really is not so bad that they want to kill us.



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