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Refugee Camps or Terror Bases?

Posted by on Jun. 27, 2010 at 5:33 AM
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 Where do the Arab terror suicide bombers come from, where are they trained to kill innocent woman and children?
Most come from UN supervised refugee camps. Camps that came into existence when Jordanian "occupied" Jerusalem, was returned to it's historic status of Jewish Jerusalem and the historic Jewish West Bank was retaken by Israel after the 1967 Six Day War.
Let's not just focus on those individuals who teach, exercise and pervert the religion of Islam with terrorism - the killing of innocent civilians for the sake of Islam. And all those Palestinians in the refugee camps who look on and support terrorist teaching terrorist how to detonate bloody explosives in shopping centers - they are far from "innocent."
They look upon the terrorists as a "heros" who will have 72 virgins waiting for them in paradise. This makes this writer wonder, what do the female suicide bombers have waiting for them - 72 Tom Cruises and Brad Pitts?
This is not a war about land - it's a war about all that should be "Islamic".
The World Trade Center was not occupied territory!

Whole story:

http://www.israelnewsagency.com/israelfightingterrorism.html

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blondekosmic15
by Ruby Member on Jun. 27, 2010 at 6:24 AM

 

Quoting toomanypoodles:

 Where do the Arab terror suicide bombers come from, where are they trained to kill innocent woman and children?
Most come from UN supervised refugee camps. Camps that came into existence when Jordanian "occupied" Jerusalem, was returned to it's historic status of Jewish Jerusalem and the historic Jewish West Bank was retaken by Israel after the 1967 Six Day War.
Let's not just focus on those individuals who teach, exercise and pervert the religion of Islam with terrorism - the killing of innocent civilians for the sake of Islam. And all those Palestinians in the refugee camps who look on and support terrorist teaching terrorist how to detonate bloody explosives in shopping centers - they are far from "innocent."
They look upon the terrorists as a "heros" who will have 72 virgins waiting for them in paradise. This makes this writer wonder, what do the female suicide bombers have waiting for them - 72 Tom Cruises and Brad Pitts?
This is not a war about land - it's a war about all that should be "Islamic".
The World Trade Center was not occupied territory!

Whole story:

http://www.israelnewsagency.com/israelfightingterrorism.html

 This ? has come up before. Interesting~

 




                        


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LancesMom
by Gold Member on Jun. 27, 2010 at 8:05 AM

You know I think the aspect of Islam and 72 Virgins, is the same as Christianity and the "Pearly Gates".

Friday
by HRH of MJ on Jun. 27, 2010 at 1:19 PM

 Right, I'm sure the Israel News Agency is not at all biased.

eye rolling

 


Thank God......it's Friday!!!

tericared
by on Jun. 27, 2010 at 2:16 PM

 

Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Quoting toomanypoodles:

 Where do the Arab terror suicide bombers come from, where are they trained to kill innocent woman and children?
Most come from UN supervised refugee camps. Camps that came into existence when Jordanian "occupied" Jerusalem, was returned to it's historic status of Jewish Jerusalem and the historic Jewish West Bank was retaken by Israel after the 1967 Six Day War.
Let's not just focus on those individuals who teach, exercise and pervert the religion of Islam with terrorism - the killing of innocent civilians for the sake of Islam. And all those Palestinians in the refugee camps who look on and support terrorist teaching terrorist how to detonate bloody explosives in shopping centers - they are far from "innocent."
They look upon the terrorists as a "heros" who will have 72 virgins waiting for them in paradise. This makes this writer wonder, what do the female suicide bombers have waiting for them - 72 Tom Cruises and Brad Pitts?
This is not a war about land - it's a war about all that should be "Islamic".
The World Trade Center was not occupied territory!

Whole story:

http://www.israelnewsagency.com/israelfightingterrorism.html

 This ? has come up before. Interesting~

 Yes it has and it was clarified to not be true,,,,,Man get a grip and try to remember things that have been proven to be false and what has proven to be true....It really makes you look well kind of odd..

So where did the reward of 72 virgins in paradise for suicide come from? Are there any Islamic teachings we can point to endorsing that?

When we look at the highest authority in Islam, the Quran, we find nothing in it endorsing rewards for suicide. Instead we find the strongest condemnation with severe punishments for those who commit suicide. When we look at Hadiths, which after the Quran is second in authority in Islam, we find nothing in the authentic Bukhari and Muslim Hadiths endorsing suicide. Instead we find strong condemnation for it.

Searching what Muslims refer to as Gharib Hadiths (weak or strange Hadiths) we do find something about 72 wives but not virgins. The Hadith we find is the following:

Quote:

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Sunan al-Tirmidhi Hadith 2562 says:

The Prophet Muhammad was heard saying: “The smallest reward for the people of Paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah [a Damascus suburb] to Sana’a [Yemen]“

——————————————————————————–

This is as a weak Hadith that has no Sanad — line or sequence of narration. Although listed in an authoritative collection, this particular Hadith has technical weaknesses in its chain of transmitters and is therefore not considered impeccable. As a result, Muslims are not required to believe in it. Even if the Hadith was true, there is nothing about it that says that if someone commits suicide they would get 72 virgins in paradise.

Muslims know that the description of paradise or heaven in Hadiths and Quran is allegorical. If not, then Allah would have allowed us to take our bodies with us when we die. But the vehicle by which we could enjoy the physical things (especially 72 virgins ) mentioned as being in heaven, is left behind here in this world to rot and decay away. So we know for a fact that for heavenly rewards, physical things of this world are used to describe things totally non-physical.

tericared
by on Jun. 27, 2010 at 2:24 PM

 

Nothing in the Qur'an specifically states that the faithful are allotted 72 virgins apiece. For this elaboration we turn to the hadith, traditional sayings traced with varying degrees of credibility to Muhammad. Hadith number 2,562 in the collection known as the Sunan al-Tirmidhi says, "The least [reward] for the people of Heaven is 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome of pearls, aquamarine and ruby." 

fnpdocgrrl
by Boudica on Jun. 27, 2010 at 8:05 PM

Am I horrible to have found the reference to 72 Tom Cruises and Brad Pitts hilarious?

I don't like either one of those dudes lol.

My other question:

DO PEOPLE REALLY THINK 911 OCCURRED IN A VACUUM?

Do people really think the US had NOTHING to do with that event?  That our policies are nothing but innocuous promotion of human rights?

The American Propaganda machine has done its work well then.  Posts like this certainly point to those who choose to wear blinders to the atrocities going around all around us.

Friday
by HRH of MJ on Jun. 27, 2010 at 8:51 PM

 

Quoting fnpdocgrrl:

Am I horrible to have found the reference to 72 Tom Cruises and Brad Pitts hilarious?

I don't like either one of those dudes lol.

My other question:

DO PEOPLE REALLY THINK 911 OCCURRED IN A VACUUM?

Do people really think the US had NOTHING to do with that event?  That our policies are nothing but innocuous promotion of human rights?

The American Propaganda machine has done its work well then.  Posts like this certainly point to those who choose to wear blinders to the atrocities going around all around us.

 You must be part of that Librul, elite, inteleckchul "blame America first" crowd.

Dontcha know they hate us for our freedoms?

 


Thank God......it's Friday!!!

tscritch
by Silver Member on Jun. 27, 2010 at 9:15 PM

 Thank you for clarifying this. I had always heard the 72 virgins thing, but as it never really had any relevance to me personally I never looked further into it. :-) I do love learning new things though, so again, thanks!

Quoting tericared:

 

Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Quoting toomanypoodles:

 Where do the Arab terror suicide bombers come from, where are they trained to kill innocent woman and children?
Most come from UN supervised refugee camps. Camps that came into existence when Jordanian "occupied" Jerusalem, was returned to it's historic status of Jewish Jerusalem and the historic Jewish West Bank was retaken by Israel after the 1967 Six Day War.
Let's not just focus on those individuals who teach, exercise and pervert the religion of Islam with terrorism - the killing of innocent civilians for the sake of Islam. And all those Palestinians in the refugee camps who look on and support terrorist teaching terrorist how to detonate bloody explosives in shopping centers - they are far from "innocent."
They look upon the terrorists as a "heros" who will have 72 virgins waiting for them in paradise. This makes this writer wonder, what do the female suicide bombers have waiting for them - 72 Tom Cruises and Brad Pitts?
This is not a war about land - it's a war about all that should be "Islamic".
The World Trade Center was not occupied territory!

Whole story:

http://www.israelnewsagency.com/israelfightingterrorism.html

 This ? has come up before. Interesting~

 Yes it has and it was clarified to not be true,,,,,Man get a grip and try to remember things that have been proven to be false and what has proven to be true....It really makes you look well kind of odd..

So where did the reward of 72 virgins in paradise for suicide come from? Are there any Islamic teachings we can point to endorsing that?

When we look at the highest authority in Islam, the Quran, we find nothing in it endorsing rewards for suicide. Instead we find the strongest condemnation with severe punishments for those who commit suicide. When we look at Hadiths, which after the Quran is second in authority in Islam, we find nothing in the authentic Bukhari and Muslim Hadiths endorsing suicide. Instead we find strong condemnation for it.

Searching what Muslims refer to as Gharib Hadiths (weak or strange Hadiths) we do find something about 72 wives but not virgins. The Hadith we find is the following:

Quote:

——————————————————————————–

Sunan al-Tirmidhi Hadith 2562 says:

The Prophet Muhammad was heard saying: “The smallest reward for the people of Paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah [a Damascus suburb] to Sana’a [Yemen]“

——————————————————————————–

This is as a weak Hadith that has no Sanad — line or sequence of narration. Although listed in an authoritative collection, this particular Hadith has technical weaknesses in its chain of transmitters and is therefore not considered impeccable. As a result, Muslims are not required to believe in it. Even if the Hadith was true, there is nothing about it that says that if someone commits suicide they would get 72 virgins in paradise.

Muslims know that the description of paradise or heaven in Hadiths and Quran is allegorical. If not, then Allah would have allowed us to take our bodies with us when we die. But the vehicle by which we could enjoy the physical things (especially 72 virgins ) mentioned as being in heaven, is left behind here in this world to rot and decay away. So we know for a fact that for heavenly rewards, physical things of this world are used to describe things totally non-physical.

 

Mandipants
by on Jun. 27, 2010 at 9:51 PM


Quoting Friday:

 

Quoting fnpdocgrrl:

Am I horrible to have found the reference to 72 Tom Cruises and Brad Pitts hilarious?

I don't like either one of those dudes lol.

My other question:

DO PEOPLE REALLY THINK 911 OCCURRED IN A VACUUM?

Do people really think the US had NOTHING to do with that event?  That our policies are nothing but innocuous promotion of human rights?

The American Propaganda machine has done its work well then.  Posts like this certainly point to those who choose to wear blinders to the atrocities going around all around us.

 You must be part of that Librul, elite, inteleckchul "blame America first" crowd.

Dontcha know they hate us for our freedoms?

The people who post this kind of stuff do. Propaganda cheerios every morning!

But then again I'm just an elite librul, edgeekated type.

toomanypoodles
by Ruby Member on Jun. 27, 2010 at 10:42 PM

 Ya know, if you'd read the whole article, you'd see that it was not about the waiting virgins.  Big deal what they believe or don't believe.

An article was posted a few days ago about how awful it is for those poor souls in the refugee camps....but what is really going on there?  Great place to train terrorists and get some sympathy for it. 

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