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Collective bargaining and ACT/SAT scores

Posted by on Feb. 20, 2011 at 10:07 PM
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Only 5 states do not have collective bargaining for educators and have deemed it illegal. Those states and their ranking on ACT/SAT scores are as follows:
South Carolina - 50th
North Carolina - 49th
Georgia - 48th
Texas - 47th
Virginia - 44th
And Wisconsin? It currently ranks 2nd.


http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/states/USCHARTsat.html

http://www.enotes.com/everyday-law-encyclopedia/teacher-s-unions-collective-bargaining

 The happiest people I have known have been those who gave themselves no concern about their own souls, but did their uttermost to mitigate the miseries of others. ~ Elizabeth Cady Stanton





by on Feb. 20, 2011 at 10:07 PM
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stormcris
by Christy on Feb. 20, 2011 at 10:09 PM

So are you saying because they can dictate their own wages/benefits they teach better?

wulfbourne
by on Feb. 20, 2011 at 10:12 PM


Quoting stormcris:

So are you saying because they can dictate their own wages/benefits they teach better?

Better wages/benefits attract better teachers.

Also, they bargin for more than just wages and benefits.  They bargin for working conditions, which translate to learning conditions as well. 

Raintree
by on Feb. 20, 2011 at 10:24 PM

Also important to note that the lack of collective bargaining rights does NOT show any difference in deficits- some of these have very high deficits as well.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=711

miss146mn
by on Feb. 20, 2011 at 11:16 PM

This was very interesting.  Thanks for posting it.

Sofiabug
by on Feb. 20, 2011 at 11:22 PM
I breifly lived in a small town in NC. No doubt they have low scores, my oldest daughters teachers could barely read let alone her fellow students. Education was a low priority in that area. Parental involvement was very low. Drug use and proverty very high. It was terrible there, truely like a third world country. We enrolled my oldest in online school, and thank God my husband was transfered somewhere else. I think small towns like the one we experienced may really effect act/sat scores for the state.


Quoting Raintree:

Only 5 states do not have collective bargaining for educators and have deemed it illegal. Those states and their ranking on ACT/SAT scores are as follows:
South Carolina - 50th
North Carolina - 49th
Georgia - 48th
Texas - 47th
Virginia - 44th
And Wisconsin? It currently ranks 2nd.


http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/states/USCHARTsat.html

http://www.enotes.com/everyday-law-encyclopedia/teacher-s-unions-collective-bargaining

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Raintree
by on Feb. 21, 2011 at 9:08 AM

And that would be the direction the rest of the country will be heading.

Quoting Sofiabug:

I breifly lived in a small town in NC. No doubt they have low scores, my oldest daughters teachers could barely read let alone her fellow students. Education was a low priority in that area. Parental involvement was very low. Drug use and proverty very high. It was terrible there, truely like a third world country. We enrolled my oldest in online school, and thank God my husband was transfered somewhere else. I think small towns like the one we experienced may really effect act/sat scores for the state.


Quoting Raintree:

Only 5 states do not have collective bargaining for educators and have deemed it illegal. Those states and their ranking on ACT/SAT scores are as follows:
South Carolina - 50th
North Carolina - 49th
Georgia - 48th
Texas - 47th
Virginia - 44th
And Wisconsin? It currently ranks 2nd.


http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/states/USCHARTsat.html

http://www.enotes.com/everyday-law-encyclopedia/teacher-s-unions-collective-bargaining


 The happiest people I have known have been those who gave themselves no concern about their own souls, but did their uttermost to mitigate the miseries of others. ~ Elizabeth Cady Stanton





Raintree
by on Feb. 21, 2011 at 9:52 AM

BUMP!

sweet-a-kins
by Emerald Member on Feb. 21, 2011 at 9:59 AM


Quoting miss146mn:

This was very interesting.  Thanks for posting it.


Clairwil
by Ruby Member on Feb. 21, 2011 at 12:33 PM

Nice sound bite, but is it true?

I asked myself that question, even though I'm on your side, because it looked just a little too convenient.

And, strangely enough, when you check the ACT website, what you find is:

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Average Scores by State

Sort the data by column heading or select a state to view its complete High School Profile Report in PDF. (Each file is about 32 pages long and 90KB.)

State Percent of Graduates Tested Average Composite Score Average English Score Average Math Score Average Reading Score Average Science Score
National
47 21.0 20.5 21.0 21.3 20.9
Mississippi
96 18.8 18.6 18.3 18.8 18.8
Kentucky
100 19.4 18.9 19.1 19.7 19.5
Florida
65 19.5 18.6 19.7 20.1 19.1
Tennessee
100 19.6 19.4 19.0 19.9 19.6
Michigan
100 19.7 18.9 19.7 19.7 19.9
District of Columbia
29 19.8 19.5 19.9 20.2 19.2
Arizona
28 20.0 18.9 20.4 20.2 19.9
South Carolina
52 20.0 19.2 20.1 20.0 20.0
Wyoming
100 20.0 19.0 19.8 20.4 20.1
Louisiana
98 20.1 20.1 19.6 20.2 20.2
New Mexico
66 20.1 19.3 19.7 20.5 20.2
Alabama
78 20.3 20.4 19.5 20.7 20.2
Arkansas
81 20.3 20.1 19.9 20.6 20.2
Colorado
100 20.6 19.9 20.4 21.1 20.7
Georgia
44 20.7 20.1 20.7 20.9 20.5
Illinois
100 20.7 20.3 20.7 20.8 20.5
Oklahoma
73 20.7 20.4 19.9 21.2 20.6
West Virginia
64 20.7 20.7 19.6 21.3 20.6
Texas
33 20.8 19.7 21.4 20.8 20.9
Alaska
28 21.1 20.3 21.2 21.7 20.9
Nevada
30 21.5 20.8 21.5 22.0 21.3
North Dakota
81 21.5 20.7 21.4 21.7 21.6
Oregon
34 21.5 20.5 21.5 22.0 21.3
Hawaii
22 21.6 20.9 22.2 21.5 21.2
Missouri
69 21.6 21.5 21.0 22.0 21.6
Idaho
60 21.8 21.2 21.4 22.4 21.6
Ohio
66 21.8 21.2 21.5 22.1 21.8
South Dakota
79 21.8 21.1 21.6 22.0 21.9
Utah
71 21.8 21.4 21.1 22.5 21.7
North Carolina
16 21.9 21.1 22.3 22.2 21.6
Pennsylvania
17 21.9 21.3 22.1 22.1 21.4
Kansas
75 22.0 21.4 21.7 22.3 21.9
Montana
58 22.0 21.3 21.7 22.7 21.9
Nebraska
73 22.1 21.8 21.6 22.4 22.0
Wisconsin
69 22.1 21.5 22.0 22.3 22.2
California
22 22.2 21.7 22.9 22.3 21.5
Iowa
60 22.2 21.8 21.8 22.6 22.3
Indiana
26 22.3 21.7 22.4 22.6 21.9
Maryland
18 22.3 22.0 22.3 22.4 21.8
Virginia
22 22.3 22.0 22.1 22.5 21.9
Rhode Island
11 22.8 22.8 22.4 23.3 22.0
Minnesota
70 22.9 22.3 22.9 23.2 22.8
Delaware
13 23.0 22.8 22.7 23.4 22.5
Washington
19 23.0 22.6 23.1 23.5 22.5
Maine
10 23.2 23.2 23.0 23.6 22.5
New Jersey
17 23.2 23.1 23.6 23.2 22.4
Vermont
26 23.2 22.8 22.8 23.7 22.8
New York
27 23.3 22.7 23.6 23.3 23.1
Connecticut
24 23.7 23.8 23.5 23.9 22.9
New Hampshire
17 23.7 23.6 23.5 24.1 22.9
Massachusetts
21 24.0 24.0 24.3 24.2 23.1
JABASMOM
by on Feb. 21, 2011 at 1:17 PM

Thank you for the chart.  My 11th grader is taking a SAT prep class at school. It is optional but very beneficial. Yes, there is a cost, but they offer scholarships so there is no excuse for students not to take it.  He also goes to an ACT prep class every Tues and this class has homework. The point is that there are some freebies and partial scholarships out there is the school doesnt offer it.

There are some schools that have a limited space for free instruction and the course is taught my teachers.

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