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Do you pick a Dr based on skin color or ability?

Posted by on Aug. 17, 2011 at 6:26 PM
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If you say ability, then shouldn't you hope for the same thing with firefighters? 

Chicago will hire 111 bypassed black firefighters by March 2012 and pay at least $30 million in damages to some 6,000 others who will never get that chance, under a court order expected to be approved Wednesday by a federal judge.

Last year, the U.S. Supreme Court unanimously agreed that African-American candidates did not wait too long before filing a lawsuit that accused the city of discriminating against them for the way it handled a 1995 firefighter’s entrance exam.

A federal appeals court affirmed that ruling in May and remanded the case back to the trial court to implement a hiring remedy the city had been stalling.

Now, both sides have agreed on that plan and how it should be implemented.

“We’re extremely pleased that, after all these years, this long-running legal fight is coming to an end,” said plaintiffs’ attorney Matt Piers.

Noting that Chicago taxpayers are liable for an additional $500,000 in back pay for every month the hiring is delayed, Piers said, “The attitude of the Emanuel administration has been to attempt to resolve this as quickly as possible.”

The court order, to be presented to U.S. District Judge Joan Gotschall on Wednesday, calls for the city begin by sending postcards to all 6,000 black bypassed black candidates.

Those who indicate they are still interested in becoming Chicago firefighters will be entered into a “jobs lottery” to identify 750 candidates who will take a physical abilities test in October and undergo background checks, drug tests and medical exams.

From that group, the city will select 111 candidates who will enter the fire academy for training by the end of March 2012.

Would-be firefighters who have moved on to other careers or choose to bypass the jobs lottery for other reasons will receive cash awards of at least $5,000 per person. Chicago taxpayers will also be on the hook for $10 million to $20 million in back pension contributions for those who get jobs. That means the total cost could approach $50 million.

The Chicago Fire Department’s age limit for new hires is 38, but that will not apply to the 111 black firefighters because the discrimination occurred before the cut-off was established.

“I don’t think we’ll have a problem coming up with 111 who still want the job and are fully qualified to have it,” said Joshua Karsh, another attorney representing the plaintiffs.

“Some of these people are older than 38. But, better than half the department is older than 38.”

When results from the 1995 entrance exam were disappointing for minorities, the city established a cut-off score of 89 and hired randomly from the top 1,800 “well-qualified” candidates.

In 2005, a federal judge ruled that the city’s decision had the effect of perpetuating the predominantly white status quo, since 78 percent of those ‘“well-qualified’’ candidates were white.

Currently 19 percent of Chicago’s 5,000 firefighters and paramedics are African-American. The force is 68 percent white and 11 percent Hispanic.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/7107077-418/city-to-pay-30-million-hire-111-black-firefighters.html

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angeline
by Member on Aug. 17, 2011 at 6:27 PM
Wow, people still care about race?
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Abaco
by on Aug. 17, 2011 at 6:31 PM

 The ability to be Pro-Life : ) I know it sounds weird to some, but when I'm looking for a new Dr....whether a family, ob/gyn, pediatrician, etc. They must value human life.

2hotTaco
by on Aug. 17, 2011 at 6:32 PM

In 1995, 26,000 people took an employment test to become firefighters.

The city said anyone who had scored above 65 was considered “qualified,” but chose its initial hires from random sets among candidates who scored 89 or better, a group it deemed “highly qualified,” court documents say.

But after complaints were filed, the city conceded that the 89-point cutoff created a “disparate impact” against black candidates — 6,000 of whom had gotten qualified scores — compared with white candidates, the documents show.

The Supreme Court ruled 9-0 last year that despite claims by the city, the group of black job candidates had not waited too long to file its lawsuit.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/14/us/14chicago.html

2hotTaco
by on Aug. 17, 2011 at 6:34 PM

All doctors are pro-life. That is why they practice medicine. To save lives.

Just don't go to an abortion doctor if you do not seek his services.

Quoting Abaco:

 The ability to be Pro-Life : ) I know it sounds weird to some, but when I'm looking for a new Dr....whether a family, ob/gyn, pediatrician, etc. They must value human life.


OHgirlinCA
by on Aug. 17, 2011 at 6:36 PM

 I don't care what color a candidate is.  I don't want anyone lowering standards to meet a quota.  The best candidates for the job should get it, regardless of color. 

It says in 1995 the entrance exam was cut off with a score of 89.  What is the usual cut off?

OHgirlinCA
by on Aug. 17, 2011 at 6:37 PM

 Ahhh... you just answered my question....

Quoting 2hotTaco:

In 1995, 26,000 people took an employment test to become firefighters.

The city said anyone who had scored above 65 was considered “qualified,” but chose its initial hires from random sets among candidates who scored 89 or better, a group it deemed “highly qualified,” court documents say.

But after complaints were filed, the city conceded that the 89-point cutoff created a “disparate impact” against black candidates — 6,000 of whom had gotten qualified scores — compared with white candidates, the documents show.

The Supreme Court ruled 9-0 last year that despite claims by the city, the group of black job candidates had not waited too long to file its lawsuit.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/14/us/14chicago.html

 

.Bubbles.
by on Aug. 17, 2011 at 6:37 PM

It doesn't matter what the profession who ever is the most qualified should have the job. Period.

2hotTaco
by on Aug. 17, 2011 at 6:38 PM

I was just sitting here wondering if I am invisible lately.

Quoting OHgirlinCA:

 Ahhh... you just answered my question....

Quoting 2hotTaco:

In 1995, 26,000 people took an employment test to become firefighters.

The city said anyone who had scored above 65 was considered “qualified,” but chose its initial hires from random sets among candidates who scored 89 or better, a group it deemed “highly qualified,” court documents say.

But after complaints were filed, the city conceded that the 89-point cutoff created a “disparate impact” against black candidates — 6,000 of whom had gotten qualified scores — compared with white candidates, the documents show.

The Supreme Court ruled 9-0 last year that despite claims by the city, the group of black job candidates had not waited too long to file its lawsuit.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/14/us/14chicago.html

 


OHgirlinCA
by on Aug. 17, 2011 at 6:40 PM

 Invisible?  You?  Never  :)

Quoting 2hotTaco:

I was just sitting here wondering if I am invisible lately.

Quoting OHgirlinCA:

 Ahhh... you just answered my question....

Quoting 2hotTaco:

In 1995, 26,000 people took an employment test to become firefighters.

The city said anyone who had scored above 65 was considered “qualified,” but chose its initial hires from random sets among candidates who scored 89 or better, a group it deemed “highly qualified,” court documents say.

But after complaints were filed, the city conceded that the 89-point cutoff created a “disparate impact” against black candidates — 6,000 of whom had gotten qualified scores — compared with white candidates, the documents show.

The Supreme Court ruled 9-0 last year that despite claims by the city, the group of black job candidates had not waited too long to file its lawsuit.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/14/us/14chicago.html

 


 

Carpy
by Emerald Member on Aug. 17, 2011 at 6:43 PM

 So essentially we need to lower the bar for blacks to have a chance?  Isn't that somewhat of an insult to the intellectual abilities of blacks?

The SCOTUS did in issue an opionon on the facts of the case.  Only on the legalities of the filing time.

Quoting 2hotTaco:

In 1995, 26,000 people took an employment test to become firefighters.

The city said anyone who had scored above 65 was considered “qualified,” but chose its initial hires from random sets among candidates who scored 89 or better, a group it deemed “highly qualified,” court documents say.

But after complaints were filed, the city conceded that the 89-point cutoff created a “disparate impact” against black candidates — 6,000 of whom had gotten qualified scores — compared with white candidates, the documents show.

The Supreme Court ruled 9-0 last year that despite claims by the city, the group of black job candidates had not waited too long to file its lawsuit.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/14/us/14chicago.html

 

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