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Santorum’s wife’s abortion was different, you see.

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Santorum’s wife’s abortion was different, you see.

Senator Rick Santorum, not to be confused with the neologism coined by Dan Savagemeaning “a frothy mixture of lube and fecal matter sometimes the byproduct of anal sex”, is publicly very much against abortions, especially “partial birth abortions” where the baby is terminated any time after three or four weeks and has to be passed out of the woman’s body via the birth canal. Basically meaning any abortion. The description I’ve given is in no way an exaggeration or a falsehood, and the whole point of the term “partial birth” is to demonize the concept of abortion out of hand, making it seem like you’re giving birth to a viable human baby then stabbing it in the heart before it’s out the door. It’s a dirty tactic, but one in line with Santorum’s namesake neologism, certainly.

Santorum’s views are unapologetically black-and-white. He advocates that any doctor performing an abortion under any circumstances should be criminally charged.

Even for rape. Even for incest. Even for saving the mother’s life. None of them justify abortion in Rick Santorum’s world.

Unless it happens to be Rick Santorum’s wife, and she might have died if not for her 20-week-old fetus being “partial birth” aborted. That’s different. Because, you know, that’s JUSTIFIED. Unlike all those other mothers.

In October, 1996, his wife Karen had a second trimester abortion. They don’t like to describe it that way. In his 2004 interview with Terry Gross, Santorum characterizes the fetus, who must be treated as an autonomous person, as a practically a gunslinging threat, whom the mother must murder in self-defense. Karen has had to justify her decision to save her own life by explaining that if she died her other children would have lost a mother.
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Karen Santorum is the wife of right-wing, anti-abortion Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.). In 1996, Senator Santorum led the debate on a bill that attempted to ban late-term abortions, and refused to make an exception even in the case of “grievous bodily injury” to the woman. In Santorum’s article, she expresses her view that carrying a non-viable fetus to term is the only option, and apparently does not think the woman’s health or future fertility should be a consideration.

I hereby call on Rick Santorum to sue the doctor who performed the surgery that saved his wife’s life. While it may not be a criminal act yet, at least you can get damages from the doctor for daring to save your wife’s life at the expense of your wife’s constitutionally endowed infection source. That act was a second-trimester abortion. It was a “partial birth abortion”. It was done only to save your wife’s life. It is done generally only to save other mothers’ lives. It is not a criminal act in any respect. If you do not sue this doctor, you are a hypocrite of the highest order, and deserving of the worst epithets people can Google-bomb you with.

Choosing abortion is not an easy choice to make. Sometimes, it’s the only option. People do not have abortions out of hand, despite what right-wingers and religious nuts would have you believe. Oftentimes, choosing abortion is choosing life — for the mother, who is often also the mother of other children.

Do not legislate that their wombs become pressganged into being baby factories for rapists or a death sentence for the womb’s owner. Trust doctors, and trust women, to make the choice only when necessary. If you don’t like abortion, then simply don’t have one, even if it costs you your life and your children their mother. And if you aren’t a woman or a doctor, shut the fuck up and stay the fuck out of the argument altogether. Especially if the reasons you’re horning in on this conversation — the reasons you believe you have any moral say in the matter whatsoever — have anything to do with a really old book.

by on Jan. 3, 2012 at 1:55 PM
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heidimoose134
by Momma Moose on Jan. 3, 2012 at 11:41 PM

I'd be curious to see how many who've had one and are now against it had it because they wanted it or who were forced or coerced into getting one. 

Quoting muslimahpj:

This is what I dont get about some people who are against abortions, some of the women that are now anti abortion had one in the past and now they want to take that choice away for other women.

Why was it ok for you, when you had it, but now it's not and you want to take that choice away from all women?

What would you have done if you hadnt had the choice?


Arroree
by Ruby Member on Jan. 4, 2012 at 12:03 AM


Quoting mydebbers:

If ot was done to save the mothers life, I dont see the wrong in it, but why couldnt they have forseen this earlier? Was an ultrasound, and tests for any defects or something wrong not done in the first trimester? Was family history checked ? Was an amnio done? If every option was done earlier I can see where it could have been done earlier on, but what did they discover at 20 weeks? If the heart was not beating I could understand that part........ What can cause a mother to die at 20 weeks pregnant?

There are quite a few reasons a woman could die from pregnancy complications at 20 weeks pregnant. I almost bled to death with my first two pregnancies at 18 and 20 weeks and had to abort to stay alive each time. There's also preeclampsia *sp* and quite a few other reasons.

LilyofPhilly
by Gold Member on Jan. 4, 2012 at 12:19 AM

In his mind, it wasn't an abortion. Aparently, they did a c-section and took the fetus out, then it died. It's a Catholic loophole for abortion. Since they didn't directly try to kill the fetus, but try to protect the mother, it's A-OK.

tooptimistic
by Kelly on Jan. 4, 2012 at 12:49 AM
Because it had passed away and was causing an infection. Their son was dead and she was at risk. Its called a miscariage. This is the same child that alan combs made disgusting comments about because they were grieving and held him for two hours. I gave never met a doctor who.would do a c section at 20 weeks for no reason.


Quoting LilyofPhilly:

In his mind, it wasn't an abortion. Aparently, they did a c-section and took the fetus out, then it died. It's a Catholic loophole for abortion. Since they didn't directly try to kill the fetus, but try to protect the mother, it's A-OK.


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muslimahpj
by Ruby Member on Jan. 4, 2012 at 1:03 AM

Spontaneous abortion is the medical term for miscarriage.

I dont think she was saying it was for no reason. They could have induced labor, happens alot in women whose babies have died before term.

Quoting tooptimistic:

Because it had passed away and was causing an infection. Their son was dead and she was at risk. Its called a miscariage. This is the same child that alan combs made disgusting comments about because they were grieving and held him for two hours. I gave never met a doctor who.would do a c section at 20 weeks for no reason.


Quoting LilyofPhilly:

In his mind, it wasn't an abortion. Aparently, they did a c-section and took the fetus out, then it died. It's a Catholic loophole for abortion. Since they didn't directly try to kill the fetus, but try to protect the mother, it's A-OK.








muslimahpj
by Ruby Member on Jan. 4, 2012 at 1:03 AM

That would be interesting.

Quoting heidimoose134:

I'd be curious to see how many who've had one and are now against it had it because they wanted it or who were forced or coerced into getting one. 

Quoting muslimahpj:

This is what I dont get about some people who are against abortions, some of the women that are now anti abortion had one in the past and now they want to take that choice away for other women.

Why was it ok for you, when you had it, but now it's not and you want to take that choice away from all women?

What would you have done if you hadnt had the choice?








DangerDarling
by Fabulous on Jan. 4, 2012 at 1:11 AM

Wow, it sucks when your decisions come back to bite you in the ass publically, doesn't it? 

muslimahpj
by Ruby Member on Jan. 4, 2012 at 1:13 AM

Hate when that happens.

Quoting DangerDarling:

Wow, it sucks when your decisions come back to bite you in the ass publically, doesn't it? 







tooptimistic
by Kelly on Jan. 4, 2012 at 1:25 AM
Its different than having an abortion. Miscariage or your baby dying in utero is very different than choosing an abortion. They held and named the son they lost.

I dont like his position on abortion, but this is twisted.



Quoting muslimahpj:

Spontaneous abortion is the medical term for miscarriage.

I dont think she was saying it was for no reason. They could have induced labor, happens alot in women whose babies have died before term.

Quoting tooptimistic:

Because it had passed away and was causing an infection. Their son was dead and she was at risk. Its called a miscariage. This is the same child that alan combs made disgusting comments about because they were grieving and held him for two hours. I gave never met a doctor who.would do a c section at 20 weeks for no reason.





Quoting LilyofPhilly:

In his mind, it wasn't an abortion. Aparently, they did a c-section and took the fetus out, then it died. It's a Catholic loophole for abortion. Since they didn't directly try to kill the fetus, but try to protect the mother, it's A-OK.





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muslimahpj
by Ruby Member on Jan. 4, 2012 at 1:27 AM

No, the medical terminology for it is spontaneous abortion, elective abortion is when you chose to have one.

Quoting tooptimistic:

Its different than having an abortion. Miscariage or your baby dying in utero is very different than choosing an abortion. They held and named the son they lost.

I dont like his position on abortion, but this is twisted.



Quoting muslimahpj:

Spontaneous abortion is the medical term for miscarriage.

I dont think she was saying it was for no reason. They could have induced labor, happens alot in women whose babies have died before term.

Quoting tooptimistic:

Because it had passed away and was causing an infection. Their son was dead and she was at risk. Its called a miscariage. This is the same child that alan combs made disgusting comments about because they were grieving and held him for two hours. I gave never met a doctor who.would do a c section at 20 weeks for no reason.





Quoting LilyofPhilly:

In his mind, it wasn't an abortion. Aparently, they did a c-section and took the fetus out, then it died. It's a Catholic loophole for abortion. Since they didn't directly try to kill the fetus, but try to protect the mother, it's A-OK.











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