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"It is the Shariah law of ALL Muslims and ALL Afghans" This is why Shariah law can stay out of the U.S.A.

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Afghan President Endorses Shocking ‘Code of Conduct' for Women That Allows Wife-Beating

 

Afghanistans President Punishes Women in Taliban OutreachKABUL, Afghanistan (AP) - Afghanistan's president on Tuesday endorsed a "code of conduct" issued by an influential council of clerics that activists say represents a giant step backward for women's rights in the country.

President Hamid Karzai‘s Tuesday remarks backing the Ulema Council's document, which allows husbands to beat wives under certain circumstances and encourages segregation of the sexes, is seen as part of his outreach to insurgents like the Taliban.

Both the U.S. and Karzai hope that the Taliban can be brought into negotiations to end the country's decade-long war. But activists say they're worried that gains made by women since 2001 may be lost in the process.

When the Taliban ruled Afghanistan prior to the 2001 U.S. invasion, girls were banned from going to school and women had to wear burqas that covered them from head to toe. Women were not allowed to leave their homes without a male relative as an escort.

The "code of conduct" issued Friday by the Ulema Council as part of a longer statement on national political issues is cast as a set of guidelines that religious women should obey voluntarily, but activists are concerned it will herald a reversal of the trend in Afghanistan since 2001 to pass laws aimed at expanding women's rights.

Among the rules: Women should not travel without a male guardian and women should not mingle with strange men in places like schools, markets or offices. Beating one's wife is prohibited only if there is no "Shariah-compliant reason," it said, referring to the principles of Islamic law. 

Asked about the code of conduct at a press conference in the capital, Karzai said it was in line with Islamic law and was written in consultation with Afghan women's groups. He did not name the groups that were consulted.

"The clerics' council of Afghanistan did not put any limitations on women," Karzai said, adding: "It is the Shariah law of all Muslims and all Afghans."

Karzai‘s public backing of the council's guidelines may be intended to make his own government more palatable to the Taliban, or he may simply be trying to keep on the good side of the Ulema Council, who could be valuable intermediaries in speaking to the insurgents.

But either way, women‘s activists say that Karzai's endorsement means that existing or planned laws aimed at protecting women's rights may be sacrificed for peace negotiations.

"It sends a really frightening message that women can expect to get sold out in this process," said Heather Barr, an Afghanistan researcher for New York-based Human Rights Watch.

Shukria Barikzai, a parliamentarian from the capital Kabul who has been active in women's issues, said she was worried that Karzai and the clerics‘ council appeared to be ignoring their country's own laws.

"When it comes to civil rights in Afghanistan, Karzai should respect the constitution," Barikzai said. The Afghan constitution provides equal rights for men and women.

The exception for certain types of beatings also appears to contradict Afghan law that prohibits spousal abuse. And the guidelines also promote rules on divorce that give women few rights, a real turnaround from pledges by Karzai to reform Afghan family law to make divorces more equitable, Barr said.

"This represents a significant change in his message on women's rights," she said.

Afghan women's rights activist Fatana Ishaq Gailani, founder of the Afghanistan Women's Council, said she feels like women's rights are being used as part of a political game.

"We want the correct Islam, not the Islam of politics," Gailani said. She said she supported negotiations with the Taliban, but that Afghanistan's women should not be sacrificed for that end.

Hadi Marifat of the Afghanistan Human Rights and Democracy Organization, which surveyed 5,000 Afghan women for a recent report on the state of women's rights in Afghanistan, argued that the statements show Karzai is shifting more toward the strictest interpretations of Shariah law.

"In the post-Taliban Afghanistan, the guiding principle of President Karzai regarding women's rights has been attracting funding from the international community on one hand, balanced against the need to get the support of the Ulema Council and other traditionalists on the other," Marifat said.

"The concerning thing is that now this balance is shifting toward the conservative element, and that was obvious in his statement."

by on Mar. 6, 2012 at 5:41 PM
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momversuswild
by on Mar. 6, 2012 at 8:35 PM


Quoting H_Tunisia_Remix:

The only beating in the Quran is the last step before divorce and only if it will bring a positive resolution to the marriage, the recommended things to "beat" with are a scarf, a toothbrush (siwak) or blades of grass. It cannot be harsh, cannot leave a mark and cannot be on the face... guess what that all means? You aren't supposed to beat the maidservants of Allah.


When or how would "beating" someone with a blade of grass, scarf or toothbrush EVER bring positive resolution to any problem?

Do you have examples of how that would work?

momversuswild
by on Mar. 6, 2012 at 8:37 PM


Quoting H_Tunisia_Remix:

I don't think the people using these horror stories realize how upsetting countries/cultures like the one in the OP are to Muslim people. Human rights groups exist among Muslims to try and stop these things. If they were normal ideas, they wouldn't be important enough to require a statement from the president of said Muslim country, nor would it make the news. It is hard to stop ignorant cultural traditions, especially when the people have been taught for years these non-Islami ideas are Islamic. That's a huge battle to fight and it isn't won over night.

Holy moly, I will spell it out for everyone, these cultural ideas that are in a few Muslim countries scare the shit out of many Muslims and make us all scared for our daughters (or in my case at this point hypothetical daughter).

That really does make me very relieved to hear.  Thank you for being open about that.

cammibear
by Gold Member on Mar. 6, 2012 at 8:44 PM
So you are saying you cannot separate your religion from Sharia Law?

Because you are free to practice any religion as long as it doesn't violate constitutional rights. And no, I'm honestly not sure why Jewish or catholic courts are necessary either.


Quoting muslimahpj:

So, then you are against freedom of religion unless it's your own. Good to know.

Let me ask you this: Are you aware that shariah, bet din and cannon laws have all been in place and practiced in the US since the beginning of this counrty?

Quoting cammibear:

Yes, I am. I do not see the need for "special" courts no matter who it is.





Quoting muslimahpj:

The same reason that Jews have their courts and catholics have theirs. Are you against any of those? Didnt think so.

Quoting cammibear:

Yes we do, which is why if Sharia is compatible with our Constitutional laws one would wonder why they have to have Sharia courts. There have been cases on the state level where sharia law took precedent over constitutional law. I have a problem with that. It's a slippery slope...








Quoting TruthSeeker.:

 Your post title says different. It says this is why it should stay out of America.  That implies you feel the same would happen here. It's sad that leaders elsewhere are condoning hitting anyone, but that doesn't mean this will happen in the US. We have laws that protect our citizens. All of our citizens.




Quoting pvtjokerus:




It is not about being afraid of Shariah.  It is about being fed up with those that believe that they can ABUSE women within this law.  This is just what the Saudis do in their own country.....remember that conversation?




 









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FromAtoZ
by AllieCat on Mar. 6, 2012 at 8:45 PM
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This only feeds in to the extreme views some people here have.  That they must stop all Muslims otherwise our country will be taken over and we will all fall under such laws.  

I cannot imagine living with such a fear, being so out of touch with reality.

stacymomof2
by Ruby Member on Mar. 6, 2012 at 8:53 PM
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He's not a "Muslim leader."  He is a political leader who is Muslim.  That's a big difference.  

Quoting pvtjokerus:

Don't shoot the messenger.  When you have a Muslim leader promoting this crap of beating women and the Shariah law then maybe you should take notice instead of speaking out against those that bring attention to HIS words.

Quoting muslimahpj:

RAWA.org

Sharia is in the US. Everyone needs to just accept that and get over it or suck it up or whatever it is that they need to do.

Nice to see the usual suspects perpetuating fear and  hate.



LillyJDv3.0
by on Mar. 6, 2012 at 8:53 PM
No it can not be separated. The five daily prayers are part of Sharia. Outlawing Sharia completely would make it illegal for a Muslim to pray five times a day in the manner their religion instructs them to.

Quoting cammibear:

So you are saying you cannot separate your religion from Sharia Law?



Because you are free to practice any religion as long as it doesn't violate constitutional rights. And no, I'm honestly not sure why Jewish or catholic courts are necessary either.




Quoting muslimahpj:

So, then you are against freedom of religion unless it's your own. Good to know.

Let me ask you this: Are you aware that shariah, bet din and cannon laws have all been in place and practiced in the US since the beginning of this counrty?

Quoting cammibear:

Yes, I am. I do not see the need for "special" courts no matter who it is.








Quoting muslimahpj:

The same reason that Jews have their courts and catholics have theirs. Are you against any of those? Didnt think so.

Quoting cammibear:

Yes we do, which is why if Sharia is compatible with our Constitutional laws one would wonder why they have to have Sharia courts. There have been cases on the state level where sharia law took precedent over constitutional law. I have a problem with that. It's a slippery slope...











Quoting TruthSeeker.:

 Your post title says different. It says this is why it should stay out of America.  That implies you feel the same would happen here. It's sad that leaders elsewhere are condoning hitting anyone, but that doesn't mean this will happen in the US. We have laws that protect our citizens. All of our citizens.





Quoting pvtjokerus:





It is not about being afraid of Shariah.  It is about being fed up with those that believe that they can ABUSE women within this law.  This is just what the Saudis do in their own country.....remember that conversation?





 











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LillyJDv3.0
by on Mar. 6, 2012 at 8:54 PM
Exactly.

Quoting stacymomof2:

He's not a "Muslim leader."  He is a political leader who is Muslim.  That's a big difference.  

Quoting pvtjokerus:

Don't shoot the messenger.  When you have a Muslim leader promoting this crap of beating women and the Shariah law then maybe you should take notice instead of speaking out against those that bring attention to HIS words.


Quoting muslimahpj:


RAWA.org


Sharia is in the US. Everyone needs to just accept that and get over it or suck it up or whatever it is that they need to do.


Nice to see the usual suspects perpetuating fear and  hate.




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Tracy6678
by on Mar. 6, 2012 at 8:55 PM
God Bless those women in Afghanistan.


mommajen32
by Platinum Member on Mar. 6, 2012 at 8:57 PM
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Quoting cammibear:

So you are saying you cannot separate your religion from Sharia Law?

Because you are free to practice any religion as long as it doesn't violate constitutional rights. And no, I'm honestly not sure why Jewish or catholic courts are necessary either.


Quoting muslimahpj:

So, then you are against freedom of religion unless it's your own. Good to know.

Let me ask you this: Are you aware that shariah, bet din and cannon laws have all been in place and practiced in the US since the beginning of this counrty? 

Your first question .... do you realize that's like asking a Jew to separate their religion from eating Kosher? 

As for your question about the courts, I take it you're not Catholic. It's the same reason you can get a divorce in the courts but it is not recognized in the Church automatically (very difficult and long process). Rabbinical laws (Jews) cover a number of things, as do most religious courts that are specific to the rules of their particular faith - food, clothing, marriage, contracts (some have much stricter rules governed by Scripture), theft, etc... though some of these things may be handled in the US courts - they may also be held in religious courts. 

It seems you have some reading to do to understand why these systems exist before speaking on them. 

mommajen32
by Platinum Member on Mar. 6, 2012 at 9:01 PM


Quoting pvtjokerus:

Honestly, I am not against Muslims and I have a Quran on my shelf.  However, I have dealt with many, many Muslim men that believe that it is ok to beat women and rape little boys based on the same laws that Karzai is speaking about. They have bastardized the writings in order to excuse their behavior.  Until there are changes, then....well, you know.....

But, I will apologize to you if the title offends you. 


I think somone read or saw the Kite Runner .................

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