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CAN A SECOND DEGREE CHARGE BE PROVED?

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Over charged? Can it be done? What facts could she have that made her bring second degree?

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by on Apr. 11, 2012 at 6:30 PM
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Sisteract
by Whoopie on Apr. 11, 2012 at 7:45 PM
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He was a stocky man.

What kind of stocky man is unable to fight off a beanpole kid hopped up on nothing but Skittles?

Really man on man, GZ needed to use the gun? I'm not buying that this shooting was JUSTIFIED. Short time frame, people. Seems like an extremely short fuse to me-

Della529
by Matlock on Apr. 11, 2012 at 7:52 PM

 A GJ, in FL, is only used to indict in a CAPTIAL case.  This is not a capital case.

Quoting Veni.Vidi.Vici.:

I assume that there is info out there that hasn't been reported on by the press. 

What I don't understand is how those charges can be brought upon GZ without a grand jury.

 

charleyd68
by Platinum Member on Apr. 11, 2012 at 7:55 PM

There are a couple that shot of their mouths off. They wont concede, it is now and then PUBLIC PRESSURE, if some people only knew that public pressure rarely is taken into consideration! Demonstrators had hoses and dogs let lose on them. People have gone out their way to ignore public out cry. I think that if Corey didn't have the evidence, she would have declined!

Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting stacymomof2:

Why in the world would you say something like that?  He DID shoot the kid you know.  Even he admits it. The kid was supposed to be in the neighborhood. he wasn't armed. So why does it seem odd that they brought these charges?  They seem to be accurate.

Quoting DaisyMay9876:


Quoting FromAtoZ:

I am not about to speculate on what they may have, or not have, in regards to the charges.  It appears that they feel they have what is needed.  

No doubt we will all 'try' this case ourselves, more than once, before this is over.  We already have. lol  Numerous times.

The fact that charges have indeed been brought against Zimmerman is the first step in a very long ordeal.  But it is indeed a good, first step.

I don't care for Sharpton but I do agree with what he just said...........public opinion, outcry, etc., did not bring about these charges.  The outcry did, however, bring another look upon the case.

I also agree with what he just said.  This is not a victory, no gloating.  His parents and family are still mourning.  This is, however, a good first step in the direction this needed to go.

How my heart still hurts for that family.

Oh bullcrap!!  They brought charges because they were afraid of riots. Corey is pandering to the masses.  She is not going to be able to prove her case.


She has been spewing the same crap all over the board for several days.

She was so certain in her assumptions, that charges would not be filed.

She'll stick around in order to spew more assumptions.  Something tells me she isn't capable of realizing what a fool she has made of herself.  Several times over and probably with several SNs.

Like I said, at least she is entertaining.


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charleyd68
by Platinum Member on Apr. 11, 2012 at 7:57 PM

YEP!

Quoting FromAtoZ:

I am not a lawyer and I am not about to claim I know as much as one.  I am pretty damn well versed in criminal law but I certainly have no degree.

With that said, based on the information that is available to us, meaning info much like what Stacy posted, I do feel that 2nd degree murder is appropriate.  I don't know that Corey overcharged.  I think she knows damn well that doing so is dangerous.  I would suspect that, what ever evidence there is, she feels strongly that it can indeed point towards that 2nd degree murder conviction.

Time will tell.


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charleyd68
by Platinum Member on Apr. 11, 2012 at 8:02 PM

I agree with you for the most part! The lead Detective wanted to bring charges, the DA declined. If Angela Corey and her staff worked off the work the PD allegedly did, there was enough doubt to hold him on!

Quoting GOBryan:


Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting GOBryan:

It's too early to determine whether it'll hold water or not. From what I've heard, there's no eye witness that saw the complete altercation or heard the complete altercation, so at this point, the only one that knows everything that happened is Zimmerman. 

Also, there is likely going to be a change of venue,so it will likely not be tried in Central Florida. 

This may very well be the case.  The fact is, we do not know.  None of us.  We only know what we have been spoon fed.

I would think, considering the charges and well, just due to common sense, that there are aspects of this case we, the public, are not privy to.  Not every thing has been 'leaked' out.  Which direction that may point towards, we haven't a clue.

I just want every thing done properly from here on out.  The fact that the Stanford police had no plans to arrest him from the get go speaks volumes to me.  I could not trust a police department that was so willing to easily dismiss an obvious crime.  But like I was saying, I hope every thing is handled properly, from both sides.  Zimmerman still has rights and they should be adhered to. Just as the rights of the victim should be.

The reason the Sanford PD didn't arrest him is because Zimmerman's version likely sounded viable to them and held up with the "Stand your Ground" rule.  Remember, "Innocent until proven Guilty."  Even if they had arrested him, judge or Prosecutor may have not pressed charges and they would have let him walk. The problem here is that they have to be very careful because to arrest him could have actually damaged the case, without sufficient evidence. They have to be careful due to double jeopardy. You only arrest when the Prosecutor feels they have something to hold on to and sometimes, even that way they grasp at straws. 

With Casey Anthony, the Prosecution screwed up and now she has imunity even if she were to say that she killed her daughter. She can no longer be tried for that same case. 


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EireLass
by Ruby Member on Apr. 11, 2012 at 8:03 PM
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I don't delight in any of it. The whole thing is a disaster!

Quoting charleyd68:

I hope it will. I hate to delight in Zimmerman's arrest,he is a human being. However, I don't believe he had just cause to kill Trayvon!

Quoting EireLass:

Well, 2nd degree is when it's intentional, yet not pre-meditated. And not done in the 'heat of passion'. And that he had so little regard for human life, via his overall actions. I think it's a slam dunk, based on what 2nd degree means.



JakeandEmmasMom
by Platinum Member on Apr. 11, 2012 at 8:05 PM
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I was concerned at first that he may have been overcharged, but upon further reading I don't think so.

My heart still breaks for his family.
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GOBryan
by Silver Member on Apr. 11, 2012 at 8:07 PM
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I agree. He wouldn't get a fair trial in Orlando. 

Quoting charleyd68:

A change of venue is, in my opinion, not only warranted, but necessary!

Quoting GOBryan:

It's too early to determine whether it'll hold water or not. From what I've heard, there's no eye witness that saw the complete altercation or heard the complete altercation, so at this point, the only one that knows everything that happened is Zimmerman. 

Also, there is likely going to be a change of venue,so it will likely not be tried in Central Florida. 



charleyd68
by Platinum Member on Apr. 11, 2012 at 8:07 PM

That's what I said. It was 1 minute from the time his GF lost contact at 7:16pm and the Ofc,Timothy Smith arrived at 7:17pm

Quoting Sisteract:


Quoting GOBryan:

It's too early to determine whether it'll hold water or not. From what I've heard, there's no eye witness that saw the complete altercation or heard the complete altercation, so at this point, the only one that knows everything that happened is Zimmerman. 

Also, there is likely going to be a change of venue,so it will likely not be tried in Central Florida. 

The entire event was very short- there is the intitial 911 tape and transcript where GZ was told that he did not need to pursue and the EMS was activated. There is also the audio witness (heard but did not see the event) and her 911 call, complete with screaming and voices + the gun shot. Lastly there is the GFs account and phone records to confirm timing.

Short time frame and 3 different people who can provided info.

Should be very easy to piece together.


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charleyd68
by Platinum Member on Apr. 11, 2012 at 8:11 PM

I believe they have some definitive evidence!

Quoting Happymamax2:

My guess is they have plenty to charge him that high. There would be nothing for them to gain, and everything to lose, by charging him and not having a good case. Think Casey Anthony, they dont want an acquittal on their hands.... They think people are up in arms now....


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