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Woman says that a local bar wouldn't let her dance on a platform because she was too fat

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Student Says Bar Told Her She Was Too Fat


Jordan Ramos, Hawkeye Woman, Says Iowa City Union Bar Discriminated Her For Weight

Jordan Ramos Weight Discrimination Bar

A University of Iowa student says that a local bar wouldn't let her dance on a platform because she was "not pretty enough" and "obviously pregnant," despite expressing she was not, the Iowa City Press-Citizen reports.

Jordan Ramos, 21, describes herself as a plus-sized woman, but she never imagined her weight would become an issue at Union Bar, a downtown Iowa City establishment, where bouncers would deny her the option of dancing with her friends atop a small stage -- twice.

Ramos visited the bar on March 3 and again on April 4 and experienced the same discrimination both times, she said. The second time, a bouncer allegedly told her she couldn't dance because she was "obviously pregnant.

"They knew I was not pregnant; it was their way of calling me fat without having to actually say it," Ramos told ABC News.

And according to Ramos, other plus-sized women have had similar experiences.

The woman reached out to the Human Rights Commission in Iowa City, but according to the organization weight discrimination isn't illegal, ABC News reports.

But that's not stopping Ramos from taking a stand for herself and others.

"I understand that obesity is unhealthy, and I'm not condoning it," she told the Daily Iowan. "What I am trying to do is say that we are all human beings, and we all deserve to be treated equally."

The Iowa City Press-Citizen reached out to George Wittgraf, the owner of Union Bar, who said he was not familiar with the situation but disapproved of the employee's alleged behavior.

Nevertheless, Ramos is planning a rally in front Union Bar on May 4, where she says she hopes to ensure the bar not only makes a formal commitment to prohibit any form of discrimination in the future, but issues an apology to anyone who's received sub-par treatment in the past, the Daily Iowan reports.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/30/jordan-ramos-university-iowa-bar-discrimination_n_1464666.html


by on Apr. 30, 2012 at 9:16 PM
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futureshock
by Ruby Member on Apr. 30, 2012 at 9:52 PM
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Quoting Tanya93:

tbh

she isn't pretty or thin enough for that


you don't have the right to dance on something.


She is going to lose this and is going to be humiliated because she isn't someone people want to see dance

For some reason this made me lol.  Maybe because it was so honest. I don't know why she would want to dance on that platform anyway.


futureshock
by Ruby Member on Apr. 30, 2012 at 9:53 PM


Quoting dustinsmom1:

 maybe the stage wouldnt hold her weight. not discrimination.

Do you think she was going to be up there alone?

Themis_Defleo
by Bronze Member on Apr. 30, 2012 at 9:53 PM


Quoting futureshock:


Quoting Themis_Defleo:

Weight and beauty are not protected classes.  If the platform was not properly rated for someone of her size, that's the bar protecting itself from a lawsuit.

How could this have anything to do with it when there are many people on the platform at once?

 If she's just unattractive, it sucks if they wouldn't let her dance, but they are within their legal rights.

If she looked pregnant, the bar was acting reasonably to protect her from harm.

They knew she was not pregnant.

I will once again wave my banner that says, "not all discrimination is wrongful."  

I applaud her for staging a protest rather than trying to file a lawsuit, though.



the article does not say that there were "many people" on the platform at once.  Even if there were, she has no legal right to dance on a privately-owned platform.  I'm fat, too.  There are certain things I can't do - like ride the Top Thrill Dragster at Cedar Point.  I am too fat.

They didn't know that she was not pregnant.  They knew only that she said that she was not pregnant.  There is a difference.

When it comes down to  it, skinny or fat, ugly or beautiful, pregnant or not, she had no protected right to dance on the privately-owned stage.   

She does, however, have every right to stage a protest (as long as she follows local ordinances and acquires any required permits) on the public sidewalk in front of the bar.

futureshock
by Ruby Member on Apr. 30, 2012 at 9:55 PM


Quoting Themis_Defleo:


Quoting futureshock:


Quoting Themis_Defleo:

Weight and beauty are not protected classes.  If the platform was not properly rated for someone of her size, that's the bar protecting itself from a lawsuit.

How could this have anything to do with it when there are many people on the platform at once?

 If she's just unattractive, it sucks if they wouldn't let her dance, but they are within their legal rights.

If she looked pregnant, the bar was acting reasonably to protect her from harm.

They knew she was not pregnant.

I will once again wave my banner that says, "not all discrimination is wrongful."  

I applaud her for staging a protest rather than trying to file a lawsuit, though.



the article does not say that there were "many people" on the platform at once.  Even if there were, she has no legal right to dance on a privately-owned platform.  I'm fat, too.  There are certain things I can't do - like ride the Top Thrill Dragster at Cedar Point.  I am too fat.

They didn't know that she was not pregnant.  They knew only that she said that she was not pregnant.  There is a difference.

When it comes down to  it, skinny or fat, ugly or beautiful, pregnant or not, she had no protected right to dance on the privately-owned stage.   

She does, however, have every right to stage a protest (as long as she follows local ordinances and acquires any required permits) on the public sidewalk in front of the bar.


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Jordan Ramos, 21, describes herself as a plus-sized woman, but she never imagined her weight would become an issue at Union Bar, a downtown Iowa City establishment, where bouncers would deny her the option of dancing with her friends atop a small stage -- twice.


Themis_Defleo
by Bronze Member on Apr. 30, 2012 at 9:57 PM


Quoting futureshock:


Quoting Themis_Defleo:


Quoting futureshock:


Quoting Themis_Defleo:

Weight and beauty are not protected classes.  If the platform was not properly rated for someone of her size, that's the bar protecting itself from a lawsuit.

How could this have anything to do with it when there are many people on the platform at once?

 If she's just unattractive, it sucks if they wouldn't let her dance, but they are within their legal rights.

If she looked pregnant, the bar was acting reasonably to protect her from harm.

They knew she was not pregnant.

I will once again wave my banner that says, "not all discrimination is wrongful."  

I applaud her for staging a protest rather than trying to file a lawsuit, though.



the article does not say that there were "many people" on the platform at once.  Even if there were, she has no legal right to dance on a privately-owned platform.  I'm fat, too.  There are certain things I can't do - like ride the Top Thrill Dragster at Cedar Point.  I am too fat.

They didn't know that she was not pregnant.  They knew only that she said that she was not pregnant.  There is a difference.

When it comes down to  it, skinny or fat, ugly or beautiful, pregnant or not, she had no protected right to dance on the privately-owned stage.   

She does, however, have every right to stage a protest (as long as she follows local ordinances and acquires any required permits) on the public sidewalk in front of the bar.


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Jordan Ramos, 21, describes herself as a plus-sized woman, but she never imagined her weight would become an issue at Union Bar, a downtown Iowa City establishment, where bouncers would deny her the option of dancing with her friends atop a small stage -- twice.


It does not say "many" friends.  It only says "friends," which could be as few as two (which is not "many" in my book."

stormcris
by Christy on Apr. 30, 2012 at 9:59 PM

Because her weight is not proportional over the entirity of her body and with a small platform, not being used to it (that particular platform), and given its a bar drinking she would be more prone to lose her balance and fall than a person whose weight is dispensed over her body evenly. 

Quoting futureshock:


Quoting stormcris:

I still think it is an issue of worry over being sued for an accident unless for some reason that bar is the type that only caters to the super thin, which if that were the case it would have denied her admittance. Sexy is in the eye of the beholder and there are many men who like their women on the heavy side.

Why would she be any more accident prone than anyone else?


Fear of serious injury alone cannot justify oppression of free speech and assembly. Men feared witches and burnt women. It is the function of speech to free men from the bondage of irrational fears.
Louis D. Brandeis
stacymomof2
by Ruby Member on Apr. 30, 2012 at 10:01 PM

Of course they only want attractive people up there  I'm suprised people don't know this about dance clubs.  It's all about glam and nobody wants to see someone like say, me, dancing on the platform.  It's just the way it is, shallow like that.  To be honest, most clubs woudn't even care if she never came back and told all of her friends to stay away, too.  Nightclubs are all about skin deep.

Quoting futureshock:


Quoting wickedfiress:

Could it structurally support that much weight? If not then they can tell her she's too large to get on it for her own safety. 

There are lots of people on it at any one time.  I think the truth is that they want only attractive people up on the platform because it is like a showcase or something.  Still sick.


ReginaStar
by Gold Member on Apr. 30, 2012 at 10:02 PM
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 I support her case. It is not ok to discriminate by size. They need to have their platform built for everyone or no one at all. I don't doubt the weight of all them skinny girls is heavier than her weight. Discrimination at isn't finest.





 Jaliyah  My video here

jllcali
by Jane on Apr. 30, 2012 at 10:41 PM
There were probably people complaining about her being up there.

It's possible the stage was not really able to handle 250+ pounds jostling in one area, with other women on the stage as well, versus a few healthy weight people spread out over the stage. Similar to stairs and upstairs floors creak less close to the wall and support beams than in the middle or in between. And they also creak less when a lighter person walks over them versus a heavier one.
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Lizardannie1966
by on Apr. 30, 2012 at 10:47 PM
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Wanna dance on a bar and can't because you're being refused to? Go elsewhere and get over yourself.

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