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Would you all please explain to me, what exactly is the war on women?  Is it about abortion rights?  If that is it, then, why is that called a war on women?  It seems to me that the women in this country are split pretty evenly when it comes to pro life vs. pro abortion.  I am a woman who will never have an abortion, so how could this be a war on me?  What rights have been taken from me?

I think there is no such thing as a war on women, but this catch phrase is cirulating like gossip among women. 

by on May. 6, 2012 at 2:23 AM
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KittenKrump
by on May. 6, 2012 at 2:59 AM
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This is why I get so passionate about this stuff and people like the OP make me so mad because they don't even care enough to become educated on something that can lead to death!!!! And I doubt it will pass, but the fact that it is even being proposed is an affront to women everywhere, whether they want a child or not! And the BC and abortion issues affect everyone! Where do you draw the line?

And, OP, the BC issue, since you're probably uneducated about that as well, is because some employers are wanting to refuse BC on the insurance that the women pay for! I know my husband pays for our insurance and if that's not paying, I'd like to know where in the fuck over $100 of the paycheck goes! I demand to be given what I am paying for, it doesn't matter where I work! This is not about free BC, not at all, medicaid already pays for BC, there is no debate on that, this BC debate is about whether or nor some private institutions should not be held to the same standards as other private institutions.

Quoting Gabeandcalebsmo:

 

Quoting KittenKrump:

Let me sum this up for you. In Georgia, there was a man in government that proposed women should be forced to carry their still born children to full term! He claimed to sympathize with women because, "Cows and pigs have to do it all the time." Yes, this is a war on you.

http://blisstree.com/live/georgia-rep-wants-to-force-women-to-carry-stillborn-fetuses-like-cows-do-693/

 I really do need to watch more TV, I am in GA and did not know this!


shannonnigans
by Platinum Member on May. 6, 2012 at 3:10 AM
Quoting KittenKrump:




Could not have said this better myself! Except to summarize by saying when it comes to my crotch and my bedroom, stay the F out!
jllcali
by Jane on May. 6, 2012 at 3:10 AM
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It's pretty absurd to even bring up livestock in a serious discussion about women, unless, of course, one sees women as no different than livestock.

Quoting motherslove82:

If anyone ever bothers to read any of these so called "war on women" laws, they will find out that none of them even remotely say what the media is trying to say that they say. The law they are talking about was to eliminate abortion after 20 weeks. I live in Georgia. Nobody was trying to make women carry stillborn babies. He made a bone headed comment trying to empathize with women who lost babies after 20 weeks saying that it was heartbreaking when farm animals lost their babies too. He was not saying women should have to carry those babies. Livestock give birth to stillborn fetuses. Most women who have babies die in utero also end up having to deliver those babies in one way or another. No one was suggesting that they should have to carry them until their due date. That's just ridiculous. BTW, when an article is quoting someone, readers should pay more attention to what the person actually says instead of whatever comes after the phrase "in other words..." and then some ridiculous paraphrasing.



Quoting KittenKrump:

Let me sum this up for you. In Georgia, there was a man in government that proposed women should be forced to carry their still born children to full term! He claimed to sympathize with women because, "Cows and pigs have to do it all the time." Yes, this is a war on you.

http://blisstree.com/live/georgia-rep-wants-to-force-women-to-carry-stillborn-fetuses-like-cows-do-693/

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motherslove82
by Silver Member on May. 6, 2012 at 3:14 AM
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I think it was more along the lines of "it's heartbreaking when a pig or a cow gives birth to dead babies, so i can't imagine how sad it is when a woman does it". Maybe the birth of animals is the only experience he has with birth, so that's why he brought it up. It doesn't in anyway mean that he sees women as live stock.

Quoting jllcali:

It's pretty absurd to even bring up livestock in a serious discussion about women, unless, of course, one sees women as no different than livestock.



Quoting motherslove82:

If anyone ever bothers to read any of these so called "war on women" laws, they will find out that none of them even remotely say what the media is trying to say that they say. The law they are talking about was to eliminate abortion after 20 weeks. I live in Georgia. Nobody was trying to make women carry stillborn babies. He made a bone headed comment trying to empathize with women who lost babies after 20 weeks saying that it was heartbreaking when farm animals lost their babies too. He was not saying women should have to carry those babies. Livestock give birth to stillborn fetuses. Most women who have babies die in utero also end up having to deliver those babies in one way or another. No one was suggesting that they should have to carry them until their due date. That's just ridiculous. BTW, when an article is quoting someone, readers should pay more attention to what the person actually says instead of whatever comes after the phrase "in other words..." and then some ridiculous paraphrasing.





Quoting KittenKrump:

Let me sum this up for you. In Georgia, there was a man in government that proposed women should be forced to carry their still born children to full term! He claimed to sympathize with women because, "Cows and pigs have to do it all the time." Yes, this is a war on you.

http://blisstree.com/live/georgia-rep-wants-to-force-women-to-carry-stillborn-fetuses-like-cows-do-693/


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Lacey14
by Bronze Member on May. 6, 2012 at 3:20 AM
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Quoting KittenKrump:

Let me sum this up for you. In Georgia, there was a man in government that proposed women should be forced to carry their still born children to full term! He claimed to sympathize with women because, "Cows and pigs have to do it all the time." Yes, this is a war on you.

http://blisstree.com/live/georgia-rep-wants-to-force-women-to-carry-stillborn-fetuses-like-cows-do-693/

Ok, I read the article and watched the video.  I did not see or hear in this video where this speaker actually said a woman should carry a dead baby to full term.  He did mention farm animals, and I agree there should be no comparison.  But I didn't hear him say anything about women delivering dead babies.

I also read the entire HB 954 bill and I don't see where it states that a woman has to carry a dead baby to full term.  It talks about not aborting a child after 20 weeks because it can feel pain.

Lacey14
by Bronze Member on May. 6, 2012 at 3:25 AM


Quoting KittenKrump:

This is why I get so passionate about this stuff and people like the OP make me so mad because they don't even care enough to become educated on something that can lead to death!!!! And I doubt it will pass, but the fact that it is even being proposed is an affront to women everywhere, whether they want a child or not! And the BC and abortion issues affect everyone! Where do you draw the line?

And, OP, the BC issue, since you're probably uneducated about that as well, is because some employers are wanting to refuse BC on the insurance that the women pay for! I know my husband pays for our insurance and if that's not paying, I'd like to know where in the fuck over $100 of the paycheck goes! I demand to be given what I am paying for, it doesn't matter where I work! This is not about free BC, not at all, medicaid already pays for BC, there is no debate on that, this BC debate is about whether or nor some private institutions should not be held to the same standards as other private institutions.

Quoting Gabeandcalebsmo:

 

Quoting KittenKrump:

Let me sum this up for you. In Georgia, there was a man in government that proposed women should be forced to carry their still born children to full term! He claimed to sympathize with women because, "Cows and pigs have to do it all the time." Yes, this is a war on you.

http://blisstree.com/live/georgia-rep-wants-to-force-women-to-carry-stillborn-fetuses-like-cows-do-693/

 I really do need to watch more TV, I am in GA and did not know this!


Why do you think anyone, other than you and your husband, should pay for birth control?  Whether you conceive or not, is not the responsibility of anyone but you two.

motherslove82
by Silver Member on May. 6, 2012 at 3:29 AM
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While you are ranting about being educated, you need to actually see what these bills are about. Let's follow the progression of the bill you are talking about. Obama passes a bill requiring all employeers to provide healthcare coverage for their employees. Catholic churches employee lots of people, but do not believe in the use of birth control, so they say "it's not fair for us to have to pay for products that are against our religion". A bill is written saying that the catholic church should be exempt from paying for insurance plans that cover birth control. The country starts screaming that republicans are trying to take away a woman's right to birth control (nope, they just don't want people who are against it to have to pay for it). So then people start screaming "well what about peoe who need it for medical purposes other than to prevent conception?" so the law makers say "ok, that's a fair point. If you need it or reasons that are not related to birth control, and can prove it, then the employers and insurance will cover it". So the papers start screaming "republicans want to make it possible for employers to fire you for being a slut!" that is how the media and the liberals have created the "war on women". Both sides are guilty of this crap, BTW.

The hundred dollars out of your husband's check is probably only covering about a fifth or less of what his insurance actually costs. The rest is payed by his employer.

I've never had insurance that would cover birth control, anyway.

The bill in Georgia was about making it illegal to have an abortion after 20 weeks. No one ever said or suggested or tried to pass a law that required a woman to carry a dead baby in her body. SMH, another beautiful manipulation courtesy of an election year.


Quoting KittenKrump:

This is why I get so passionate about this stuff and people like the OP make me so mad because they don't even care enough to become educated on something that can lead to death!!!! And I doubt it will pass, but the fact that it is even being proposed is an affront to women everywhere, whether they want a child or not! And the BC and abortion issues affect everyone! Where do you draw the line?

And, OP, the BC issue, since you're probably uneducated about that as well, is because some employers are wanting to refuse BC on the insurance that the women pay for! I know my husband pays for our insurance and if that's not paying, I'd like to know where in the fuck over $100 of the paycheck goes! I demand to be given what I am paying for, it doesn't matter where I work! This is not about free BC, not at all, medicaid already pays for BC, there is no debate on that, this BC debate is about whether or nor some private institutions should not be held to the same standards as other private institutions.


Quoting Gabeandcalebsmo:

 


Quoting KittenKrump:


Let me sum this up for you. In Georgia, there was a man in government that proposed women should be forced to carry their still born children to full term! He claimed to sympathize with women because, "Cows and pigs have to do it all the time." Yes, this is a war on you.


http://blisstree.com/live/georgia-rep-wants-to-force-women-to-carry-stillborn-fetuses-like-cows-do-693/


 I really do need to watch more TV, I am in GA and did not know this!


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jllcali
by Jane on May. 6, 2012 at 3:30 AM
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Wasn't that guy married with children? I can't remember the quote verbatim, but it was more like "cows give birth to stillborns, why can't women too". I'll have to Google it.

I've met farmers, and none have made made comments comparing livestock to women in a serious conversation.

The guy who made the comment was either a complete moron or a complete asshole.


Quoting motherslove82:

I think it was more along the lines of "it's heartbreaking when a pig or a cow gives birth to dead babies, so i can't imagine how sad it is when a woman does it". Maybe the birth of animals is the only experience he has with birth, so that's why he brought it up. It doesn't in anyway mean that he sees women as live stock.



Quoting jllcali:

It's pretty absurd to even bring up livestock in a serious discussion about women, unless, of course, one sees women as no different than livestock.





Quoting motherslove82:

If anyone ever bothers to read any of these so called "war on women" laws, they will find out that none of them even remotely say what the media is trying to say that they say. The law they are talking about was to eliminate abortion after 20 weeks. I live in Georgia. Nobody was trying to make women carry stillborn babies. He made a bone headed comment trying to empathize with women who lost babies after 20 weeks saying that it was heartbreaking when farm animals lost their babies too. He was not saying women should have to carry those babies. Livestock give birth to stillborn fetuses. Most women who have babies die in utero also end up having to deliver those babies in one way or another. No one was suggesting that they should have to carry them until their due date. That's just ridiculous. BTW, when an article is quoting someone, readers should pay more attention to what the person actually says instead of whatever comes after the phrase "in other words..." and then some ridiculous paraphrasing.







Quoting KittenKrump:

Let me sum this up for you. In Georgia, there was a man in government that proposed women should be forced to carry their still born children to full term! He claimed to sympathize with women because, "Cows and pigs have to do it all the time." Yes, this is a war on you.

http://blisstree.com/live/georgia-rep-wants-to-force-women-to-carry-stillborn-fetuses-like-cows-do-693/



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motherslove82
by Silver Member on May. 6, 2012 at 3:32 AM
You didn't see it because it doesn't say it. You didn't hear it because HE didn't say it. I'm glad someone actually read the bill!

Quoting Lacey14:


Quoting KittenKrump:

Let me sum this up for you. In Georgia, there was a man in government that proposed women should be forced to carry their still born children to full term! He claimed to sympathize with women because, "Cows and pigs have to do it all the time." Yes, this is a war on you.

http://blisstree.com/live/georgia-rep-wants-to-force-women-to-carry-stillborn-fetuses-like-cows-do-693/

Ok, I read the article and watched the video.  I did not see or hear in this video where this speaker actually said a woman should carry a dead baby to full term.  He did mention farm animals, and I agree there should be no comparison.  But I didn't hear him say anything about women delivering dead babies.

I also read the entire HB 954 bill and I don't see where it states that a woman has to carry a dead baby to full term.  It talks about not aborting a child after 20 weeks because it can feel pain.

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KittenKrump
by on May. 6, 2012 at 3:35 AM
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You don't have to pay for it! If you don't want it, don't freaking get it! Okay, let my explain this in smaller terms so you can understand me better, when you get hired on to a company, they offer you insurance if you are a full time employee and they have benefits. When these benefits are offered, they take the money to cover these benefits out of your paycheck every time you get paid. Saying that you are paying for BC by it even being offered is like saying I am paying for BP medicine, insulin, Viagra, acne medication and dentures even though I need literally none of those things and have never bought one in my life!

Quoting Lacey14:


Quoting KittenKrump:

This is why I get so passionate about this stuff and people like the OP make me so mad because they don't even care enough to become educated on something that can lead to death!!!! And I doubt it will pass, but the fact that it is even being proposed is an affront to women everywhere, whether they want a child or not! And the BC and abortion issues affect everyone! Where do you draw the line?

And, OP, the BC issue, since you're probably uneducated about that as well, is because some employers are wanting to refuse BC on the insurance that the women pay for! I know my husband pays for our insurance and if that's not paying, I'd like to know where in the fuck over $100 of the paycheck goes! I demand to be given what I am paying for, it doesn't matter where I work! This is not about free BC, not at all, medicaid already pays for BC, there is no debate on that, this BC debate is about whether or nor some private institutions should not be held to the same standards as other private institutions.

Quoting Gabeandcalebsmo:

 

Quoting KittenKrump:

Let me sum this up for you. In Georgia, there was a man in government that proposed women should be forced to carry their still born children to full term! He claimed to sympathize with women because, "Cows and pigs have to do it all the time." Yes, this is a war on you.

http://blisstree.com/live/georgia-rep-wants-to-force-women-to-carry-stillborn-fetuses-like-cows-do-693/

 I really do need to watch more TV, I am in GA and did not know this!


Why do you think anyone, other than you and your husband, should pay for birth control?  Whether you conceive or not, is not the responsibility of anyone but you two.


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