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Would you all please explain to me, what exactly is the war on women?  Is it about abortion rights?  If that is it, then, why is that called a war on women?  It seems to me that the women in this country are split pretty evenly when it comes to pro life vs. pro abortion.  I am a woman who will never have an abortion, so how could this be a war on me?  What rights have been taken from me?

I think there is no such thing as a war on women, but this catch phrase is cirulating like gossip among women. 

by on May. 6, 2012 at 2:23 AM
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gludwig2000
by Gina on May. 7, 2012 at 3:38 PM
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 Forcing a woman to submit to a vaginal probe, before allowing her to have an abortion, is the same as rape, isn't it? After all, she is being coerced to something she might not agree to. And as a matter of fact, it was once believed that a man could not RAPE his wife, that as his wife, he had full right to use her body, with or without her consent, for sexual intercourse. So, it might not be legal now, but it once was. Just like women couldn't vote, own property, have legal rights to raise their children after divorce, etc, etc. Women fought hard to get what rights we have now, but some people in office are fighting damn hard to take those rights away from us. It starts with abortion, and after that, it will be access to birth control, after that, denial of protections under the law, and so on. Again, we will end up with nothing, at the complete mercy of the Men who have control of us.

Quoting momofpreemieboy:

OK then! Sure it is....NOT. Rape has been defined as the act of either a man or a woman having sexual intercourse with you with out A) your Knowledge B) Your consent or C) while drugged. So how can it be redefined. Also statutory rape is defined as sex with a minor with or with out her consent. So it can not be redefined. ROTFLMBO! Also marital Rape does Happen and it is not legal nor will it ever be.  Abortion is not a war on women just someone crying because they have to pay for their own childs murder.

Quoting Sekirei:

It is not just abortion.. it's the birth control, men trying to redefine rape (or make it harder to prove or making marital rape legal) etc


 

MrsSamMerlotte
by Bronze Member on May. 7, 2012 at 3:39 PM
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NWP
by guerrilla girl on May. 7, 2012 at 4:04 PM
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I agree with you. Reading what you say, I could see how it may sound like fear mongering to anyone who does not keep up with local and state politics nationally. The fact that there is legislation that touches on these subjects actually out there right now is heart breaking.

Quoting gludwig2000:

 Forcing a woman to submit to a vaginal probe, before allowing her to have an abortion, is the same as rape, isn't it? After all, she is being coerced to something she might not agree to. And as a matter of fact, it was once believed that a man could not RAPE his wife, that as his wife, he had full right to use her body, with or without her consent, for sexual intercourse. So, it might not be legal now, but it once was. Just like women couldn't vote, own property, have legal rights to raise their children after divorce, etc, etc. Women fought hard to get what rights we have now, but some people in office are fighting damn hard to take those rights away from us. It starts with abortion, and after that, it will be access to birth control, after that, denial of protections under the law, and so on. Again, we will end up with nothing, at the complete mercy of the Men who have control of us.

Quoting momofpreemieboy:

OK then! Sure it is....NOT. Rape has been defined as the act of either a man or a woman having sexual intercourse with you with out A) your Knowledge B) Your consent or C) while drugged. So how can it be redefined. Also statutory rape is defined as sex with a minor with or with out her consent. So it can not be redefined. ROTFLMBO! Also marital Rape does Happen and it is not legal nor will it ever be.  Abortion is not a war on women just someone crying because they have to pay for their own childs murder.

Quoting Sekirei:

It is not just abortion.. it's the birth control, men trying to redefine rape (or make it harder to prove or making marital rape legal) etc


 


gludwig2000
by Gina on May. 7, 2012 at 4:14 PM
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 It is very heartbreaking. It's almost as if they feel that every advancement made for women, is taking something away from the man. And they can't stand that, can they? That women are intelligent enough, capable enough to act on their own, instead of letting the man make all of the decisions for them.

Quoting NWP:

I agree with you. Reading what you say, I could see how it may sound like fear mongering to anyone who does not keep up with local and state politics nationally. The fact that there is legislation that touches on these subjects actually out there right now is heart breaking.

Quoting gludwig2000:

 Forcing a woman to submit to a vaginal probe, before allowing her to have an abortion, is the same as rape, isn't it? After all, she is being coerced to something she might not agree to. And as a matter of fact, it was once believed that a man could not RAPE his wife, that as his wife, he had full right to use her body, with or without her consent, for sexual intercourse. So, it might not be legal now, but it once was. Just like women couldn't vote, own property, have legal rights to raise their children after divorce, etc, etc. Women fought hard to get what rights we have now, but some people in office are fighting damn hard to take those rights away from us. It starts with abortion, and after that, it will be access to birth control, after that, denial of protections under the law, and so on. Again, we will end up with nothing, at the complete mercy of the Men who have control of us.

Quoting momofpreemieboy:

OK then! Sure it is....NOT. Rape has been defined as the act of either a man or a woman having sexual intercourse with you with out A) your Knowledge B) Your consent or C) while drugged. So how can it be redefined. Also statutory rape is defined as sex with a minor with or with out her consent. So it can not be redefined. ROTFLMBO! Also marital Rape does Happen and it is not legal nor will it ever be.  Abortion is not a war on women just someone crying because they have to pay for their own childs murder.

Quoting Sekirei:

It is not just abortion.. it's the birth control, men trying to redefine rape (or make it harder to prove or making marital rape legal) etc


 


 

LindaClement
by Thatwoman on May. 7, 2012 at 4:21 PM
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/mar/07/usa


Quoting Lacey14:

OK - so show us the bill or at least the state and number, so we can read it for ourselves and see what it actually says.  Repeating what you have heard from biased individuals is not giving facts.

Quoting LindaClement:

So, the fact that abortion is illegal in several states is not a problem? Or, just not a problem because you don't live there? In one state (one of the Dakotas?) it's now also illegal to travel out of state to GET an abortion.

In at least one state, it is legal to turn down a woman's request for birth control --both the prescription for it, and the purchase of it-- for any reason at all, including 'she's not married' and 'she doesn't --in MY OPINION-- have enough children to warrant it yet.'

Quoting mom2klca:

I'd be glad to clear that up for you:) There is no "war on women" here in the US. Let me explain why. In order for abortion to be outlawed, Roe v. Wade would have to be overturned(not happening) and even if it were, women's rights would not be taken away. Are you implying that abortion is a right? As for the de-funding of PP, at a time when drastic cuts need to be made in order to stop the US from ending up like Greece, PP should not be a priority for the govt. The govt cannot afford to fund everything, plain and simple.  

In Afghanistan, yes there is a war on women. When women are deprived basic rights (ie. life and liberty), and are savagely beaten and killed, I consider that to be a "war on women". Unlike you who considers the de-funding of healthcare clinics (which obtain funding from many others sources, in case you've forgotten) to be a "war on women". It's ludicrous. 

The President's policy of negotiating with the Afghan govt is detrimentental to the women of Afghanistan because the Afghan govt is corrupt and does not do what is agreed to in those negotiations. The President knows this but still chooses to negotiate, even if it means further mistreatment and killing of women and civilians in Afghanistan. 

Quoting jacquih1126:

HUH? Your comment makes no sense....1st there isn't a "war on women"?? (clearly, you aren't paying attention ~ it has nothing to do with re-election, the repubs are SPEAKING, just listen).....as for the women in Afghanistan where women are beaten and killed (that you think we don't care about).....conditions have improved b/c of our military?!? So, what is your point?  That there IS a war on women, but we are winning it in Afghanistan? Or there isn't? The "terrorists" you are speaking of (I think), live here, in America.  They are called Republicans, right wing extremists, tea-partiers, etc, they are the ones cutting funding for planned parenthood and trying to outlaw abortion and coming up with crazy steps for women to take before they CAN have an abortion.....and the terrorists who are notorious for Not doing what they say they will?  9/11? We knew, b/c the "terrorists" told us.....the previous attacks on the WTC? We knew.......its just that when Clinton said something, they said he was wagging the dog to take the heat off himself and his blow jobs, so Congress didn't do anything......keep up with me here!  Need more info, let me know......

Quoting mom2klca:

There is no "war on women" in the US. The left is pretending there is, in order to get Obama re-elected. Why aren't liberals concerned about the real "war on women" in places like Afghanistan, where women are beaten and killed? Since US forces have been there, conditions have improved for those women. But now Obama thinks its a good idea to negotiate with the terrorists who are responsible for the real war on women?! Terrorists who are notorious for NOT doing what they say they will do. 






LindaClement
by Thatwoman on May. 7, 2012 at 4:26 PM
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http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/health/pharmacist-conscience-clauses-laws-and-information.aspx

Quoting Lacey14:

OK - so show us the bill or at least the state and number, so we can read it for ourselves and see what it actually says.  Repeating what you have heard from biased individuals is not giving facts.

Quoting LindaClement:

So, the fact that abortion is illegal in several states is not a problem? Or, just not a problem because you don't live there? In one state (one of the Dakotas?) it's now also illegal to travel out of state to GET an abortion.

In at least one state, it is legal to turn down a woman's request for birth control --both the prescription for it, and the purchase of it-- for any reason at all, including 'she's not married' and 'she doesn't --in MY OPINION-- have enough children to warrant it yet.'

Quoting mom2klca:

I'd be glad to clear that up for you:) There is no "war on women" here in the US. Let me explain why. In order for abortion to be outlawed, Roe v. Wade would have to be overturned(not happening) and even if it were, women's rights would not be taken away. Are you implying that abortion is a right? As for the de-funding of PP, at a time when drastic cuts need to be made in order to stop the US from ending up like Greece, PP should not be a priority for the govt. The govt cannot afford to fund everything, plain and simple.  

In Afghanistan, yes there is a war on women. When women are deprived basic rights (ie. life and liberty), and are savagely beaten and killed, I consider that to be a "war on women". Unlike you who considers the de-funding of healthcare clinics (which obtain funding from many others sources, in case you've forgotten) to be a "war on women". It's ludicrous. 

The President's policy of negotiating with the Afghan govt is detrimentental to the women of Afghanistan because the Afghan govt is corrupt and does not do what is agreed to in those negotiations. The President knows this but still chooses to negotiate, even if it means further mistreatment and killing of women and civilians in Afghanistan. 

Quoting jacquih1126:

HUH? Your comment makes no sense....1st there isn't a "war on women"?? (clearly, you aren't paying attention ~ it has nothing to do with re-election, the repubs are SPEAKING, just listen).....as for the women in Afghanistan where women are beaten and killed (that you think we don't care about).....conditions have improved b/c of our military?!? So, what is your point?  That there IS a war on women, but we are winning it in Afghanistan? Or there isn't? The "terrorists" you are speaking of (I think), live here, in America.  They are called Republicans, right wing extremists, tea-partiers, etc, they are the ones cutting funding for planned parenthood and trying to outlaw abortion and coming up with crazy steps for women to take before they CAN have an abortion.....and the terrorists who are notorious for Not doing what they say they will?  9/11? We knew, b/c the "terrorists" told us.....the previous attacks on the WTC? We knew.......its just that when Clinton said something, they said he was wagging the dog to take the heat off himself and his blow jobs, so Congress didn't do anything......keep up with me here!  Need more info, let me know......

Quoting mom2klca:

There is no "war on women" in the US. The left is pretending there is, in order to get Obama re-elected. Why aren't liberals concerned about the real "war on women" in places like Afghanistan, where women are beaten and killed? Since US forces have been there, conditions have improved for those women. But now Obama thinks its a good idea to negotiate with the terrorists who are responsible for the real war on women?! Terrorists who are notorious for NOT doing what they say they will do. 






Jalestra
by on May. 7, 2012 at 4:52 PM
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Just for the sake of keeping the conversation honest:

Now, any kind of nonconsensual penetration, no matter the gender of the attacker or victim, will constitute rape -- meaning that attacks on men will be counted.

The crime of rape will be defined as "penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim," a Justice Department statement said.

Jan 6, 2012 CNN 
Quoting gludwig2000:

 Forcing a woman to submit to a vaginal probe, before allowing her to have an abortion, is the same as rape, isn't it? After all, she is being coerced to something she might not agree to. And as a matter of fact, it was once believed that a man could not RAPE his wife, that as his wife, he had full right to use her body, with or without her consent, for sexual intercourse. So, it might not be legal now, but it once was. Just like women couldn't vote, own property, have legal rights to raise their children after divorce, etc, etc. Women fought hard to get what rights we have now, but some people in office are fighting damn hard to take those rights away from us. It starts with abortion, and after that, it will be access to birth control, after that, denial of protections under the law, and so on. Again, we will end up with nothing, at the complete mercy of the Men who have control of us.

Quoting momofpreemieboy:

OK then! Sure it is....NOT. Rape has been defined as the act of either a man or a woman having sexual intercourse with you with out A) your Knowledge B) Your consent or C) while drugged. So how can it be redefined. Also statutory rape is defined as sex with a minor with or with out her consent. So it can not be redefined. ROTFLMBO! Also marital Rape does Happen and it is not legal nor will it ever be.  Abortion is not a war on women just someone crying because they have to pay for their own childs murder.

Quoting Sekirei:

It is not just abortion.. it's the birth control, men trying to redefine rape (or make it harder to prove or making marital rape legal) etc


 


Jalestra
by on May. 7, 2012 at 5:13 PM
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Quoting liz.a.powell:

I have to say I really enjoy how everyone lumps all of one party Republican/Democrate into one category and says ALL Repubicans or ALL Democrates believe this way.

There are certain things that may make this all seem like a War on Women but lets look at this through another point of view... What have women done to deserve this kind of attention?  

Maybe cutting benefits for moms with low incomes is because some people abuse those rights?  So, we should criminalize all because of the wrong actions of a few? I'm not a big fan of our current welfare system, it's broken beyond all chance of redemption IMO, but that punishes even the good ones and that's not right. This problem could easily be solved with monitoring these people. I think watching a woman drive a brand new truck while her children are in filthy, mismatched clothes, living in a building that should be condemned would be a good indication she's not honest.

Same with wanting drug testing to get those benefits. I still can't believe someone is against drug testing, if nothing else for the sake of the children living in those homes!

What about women who use abortion as birthcontrol? That is no one's business but the woman's. If that's what she wants to do it's her business, and her god's if she believes in one.

Back to birthcontrol... Why should an insurance company cover you because you want to have sex? Shouldn't that be your responsibility?  I agree, except they cover Viagra. Shouldn't that be a man's responsibility? Why are they paying for men to have sex? Either cover both or don't cover both. Also, bc is prescribed for medical issues as well. I mean, I've had a tubal ligation but they put me on bc to even out my hormones. It wasn't about pregnancy at all. (Of course, I think insurance companies are a scam to begin with, so I pretty much don't agree with anything about them.)

On a side note any insurance company that is going to not cover BC is insane for the simple fact they will be paying for more pregnancies. True that.

I'm all for women's rights as I am one. But maybe stepping back and looking at the big picture will make you realize its not a War on Women's rights and there are extremists on BOTH sides of the fence. I still can't agree here though. This idea of punishing women according to your belief system is wrong, especially in America where we are free to live to the tenets WE believe in, not the tenets someone else believes in. It's definitely a war on women.


Lacey14
by Bronze Member on May. 7, 2012 at 5:36 PM


Quoting gludwig2000:

 Forcing a woman to submit to a vaginal probe, before allowing her to have an abortion, is the same as rape, isn't it? UH, isn't abortion done by entering the vagina?  It is ok to remove the fetus, but you are saying it is wrong to take a look at it first? After all, she is being coerced to something she might not agree to.  And as a matter of fact, it was once believed that a man could not RAPE his wife, that as his wife, he had full right to use her body, with or without her consent, for sexual intercourse. So, it might not be legal now, but it once was. Just like women couldn't vote, own property, have legal rights to raise their children after divorce, etc, etc. Women fought hard to get what rights we have now, but some people in office are fighting damn hard to take those rights away from us. It starts with abortion, and after that, it will be access to birth control, after that, denial of protections under the law, and so on. Again, we will end up with nothing, at the complete mercy of the Men who have control of us. Do you honestly believe that?  Do you really think now, or in the future, the world would ever go back to those days in this country, with this government?  Maybe under dictatorship or other means, but never back to the dark ages in a democracy.  That is fear talk.  Why bring up what USE to happen in the old days before any of us were alive.

Quoting momofpreemieboy:

OK then! Sure it is....NOT. Rape has been defined as the act of either a man or a woman having sexual intercourse with you with out A) your Knowledge B) Your consent or C) while drugged. So how can it be redefined. Also statutory rape is defined as sex with a minor with or with out her consent. So it can not be redefined. ROTFLMBO! Also marital Rape does Happen and it is not legal nor will it ever be.  Abortion is not a war on women just someone crying because they have to pay for their own childs murder.

Quoting Sekirei:

It is not just abortion.. it's the birth control, men trying to redefine rape (or make it harder to prove or making marital rape legal) etc


 

Jalestra
by on May. 7, 2012 at 5:49 PM

1. CONSENT. Coercian does not equal consent. REQUIRING a woman to undergo a vaginal probe in order for her to make a decision that she is quite capable of making without it is wrong and coercive. She consents to the abortion, she wants it. She is FORCED to be penetrated to make a decision for no medical reason. It's just an emotional manipulation technique.

2. Democracy??? What democracy? When both parties are set out to remove every bit of choice we have? The Democrats want our money and the Republicans want our vaginas. BOTH sides are trying to decide for us, neither thinks any of us are smart enough to take care of ourselves. There's no democracy. And tht's based on what they are doing today.

Quoting Lacey14:


Quoting gludwig2000:

 UH, isn't abortion done by entering the vagina?  It is ok to remove the fetus, but you are saying it is wrong to take a look at it first? 

 Do you honestly believe that?  Do you really think now, or in the future, the world would ever go back to those days in this country, with this government?  Maybe under dictatorship or other means, but never back to the dark ages in a democracy.  That is fear talk.  Why bring up what USE to happen in the old days before any of us were alive.

Quoting momofpreemieboy:

OK then! Sure it is....NOT. Rape has been defined as the act of either a man or a woman having sexual intercourse with you with out A) your Knowledge B) Your consent or C) while drugged. So how can it be redefined. Also statutory rape is defined as sex with a minor with or with out her consent. So it can not be redefined. ROTFLMBO! Also marital Rape does Happen and it is not legal nor will it ever be.  Abortion is not a war on women just someone crying because they have to pay for their own childs murder.

Quoting Sekirei:

It is not just abortion.. it's the birth control, men trying to redefine rape (or make it harder to prove or making marital rape legal) etc


 


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