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If you vote for gay marriage God will strike you dead

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Vote for North Carolina’s amendment to ban gay marriage, or God will strike you dead.

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Opponents of gay marriage at a 2009 rally in San Francisco.

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North Carolina is voting today on a state constitutional amendment to prohibit gay marriage. Actually, the amendment goes much further. By establishing that “marriage between one man and one woman is the only domestic legal union that shall be valid or recognized in this State,” it would invalidate all civil unions and domestic partnerships, regardless of orientation. If that’s not enough to worry you, opponents of the amendment are using this recorded phone message from Bill Clinton to turn voters against it:

What it will change is North Carolina’s ability to keep good businesses, attract new jobs, and attract and keep talented entrepreneurs.  If it passes, your ability to keep those businesses, get those jobs, and get those talented entrepreneurs will be weakened. … Its passage will also take away health insurance from children and could even take away domestic violence protections from women.

The coalition backing the amendment, Vote FOR Marriage NC, is denouncing this scare campaign. The coalition tells voters: “Make your decision on fact and not fear.” But just in case, the coalition and its allies are delivering a scarier message: Vote for the amendment, or you and your state will go to hell. Here’s a rundown of the campaign’s talking points.


1. Gay marriage will eliminate concern for children. “Every child born into a same-sex relationship is intentionally denied the love and affection of one of her biological parents,” the coalition argues. “Under a definition of marriage that is genderless, the interests of children … [are] eliminated entirely. Only the wishes of the two adults in question matter.”

2. Gay marriage will reduce procreation by heterosexual married couples. At a March 28 forum, coalition chairwoman Tami Fitzgerald alleged, “What gay marriage means is that fewer and fewer children are going to be raised by a married mother and father.” Fitzgerald didn’t explain the math or the mechanism. Perhaps some sort of distraction is involved.

3. Gay marriage will impoverish women and kids. According to the coalition, “When marriage ceases to have its historic meaning and understanding, over time fewer and fewer people will marry. We will have an inevitable increase in children born out of wedlock, an increase in fatherlessness, [and] a resulting increase in female and child poverty …” Apparently this is the causal sequence Fitzgerald has in mind: more marriages, therefore fewer marriages, and therefore, more starving children.

4. Gay marriage will destroy freedom.Gay marriage means the beginning of the end of religious freedom,” Fitzgerald predicted at the March 28 forum. The coalition elaborates:

Those who do not agree with this new definition of marriage … will be punished for their beliefs.  … Wedding professionals have been fined for refusing to participate in a same-sex ceremony. Christian innkeepers in Vermont and Illinois are being sued over their refusal to make their facilities available for same-sex weddings … A counselor, for example, could not refuse “marriage therapy” to a same-sex couple because she doesn’t believe in gay marriage. She’d put her licensure at risk.

The coalition offers no evidence or details for these allegations. The two stories I tracked down—the complaints in Vermont and Illinois—are based on public accommodations law, not on marriage law. So I wouldn’t put much stock in the rest of the coalition’s claims.

5. Gay marriage will weaken the economy. In support of the amendment, Mark Creech, executive director of the Christian Action League, says “mountains of social science research” show that “the well-being of children, the emotional and physical health of adults, and even the state of our workforce are all tethered in some way to the existence of stable one-man-and-one-woman marriages.” Somehow, gay marriage would undermine this foundation of productivity. The coalition contends: “If anything, the amendment will help our economy. States with a marriage protection amendment in their state constitution are some of our country’s top performing economic states.”

to read the rest:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2012/05/north_carolina_s_gay_marriage_amendment_a_right_wing_christian_scare_campaign_.html

by on May. 8, 2012 at 11:09 PM
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I_told_you_so
by Bronze Member on May. 9, 2012 at 9:51 PM
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It's like saying that no Blondes can marry because they are too stupid, and will cheat because they are oversexed.    We all know that both those statements are bogus and don't fit EVERY blonde woman or man, but people would believe both anyway, especially if it was shouted from the pulpit.

Quoting NightPhoenix:

Being against gay rights is like saying 2+2= Tuna. Not only is it wrong, but complete nonsense!


I_told_you_so
by Bronze Member on May. 9, 2012 at 9:54 PM

That's what it boils down to.  One group of people is trying to remove the Freedom of Choice for everyone.  First it's who you can marry, next it's what you can do with your own body.  Imagine what would happen if Pat Robertson hadn't come out saying that Oral Sex is ok?   Would they be trying to remove the Freedom to Choose whether to have oral sex or not?

Quoting Gmaof11:

Although, IMO, marriage should be between a man and a woman.  That's MO!

However, what that coalition is trying to contend is down right ludicrious!

As an American who still believes in FREEDOM TO CHOOSE!  It should be a choice and not dictated who we can or can't marry regardless of sex, color, creed.


Woodbabe
by Woodie on May. 9, 2012 at 10:02 PM

Heterosexuals have made much more of a travesty of marriage than gay marriage ever will.

Della529
by Matlock on May. 9, 2012 at 10:12 PM

 Thank you, but I understand that part.  I really don't need an I_told_you_so.

I am of Arab descent and have family members who were basically committed to each other when they were toddlers.  They were raised together and they wound up married...they even, GASP! LOVE EACH OTHER, while bringing familial assets together.

The statement "marriage never used to be for love" is suspect.

Quoting I_told_you_so:

She's talking about Bride Prices, or Dowrys.  In some cultures, a man gives the bride's family money or property to compensate them for the loss of their daughter, which shows she's valuable.   In other cultures, the bride's family gives the man or his family money or valuables to take the woman, which shows that she's not valuable enough to either bring something for her family or the man be satisfied to take her for herself.  In some cultures, marriage is arranged and is not for love, but as a way to ally two families - seal a deal, so to speak.   In the US, we used to have dowries, but it went out of fashion.  Native Americans had bride prices - when a man wanted to marry a woman, he would bring things of value to the family of the woman, usually horses, but it could be rifles or tobacco or whatever.  If they accepted his gifts, the two got married.  If they did not, he could be allowed to come back with more.  In South Africa, this bride price is called Lobolo (in Zulu, Xhosa, and Ndebele) and was traditionally cattle although today it can be cash, homes, motor cars, etc.  South African musician and Aparthied activist, Johnny Clegg remarried his wife in a ceremony in Natal using a motor car as his Lobolo, I believe in the 1980's. (Clegg, the White Zulu, is a member of more than one Zulu clan.)

Quoting Della529:

 Wha?

Quoting kailu1835:

 This is a little over the top.  Denying same sex couples' children, or unmarried couples' children the right to be with both parents?  This doesn't say that two people of the same sex can't live together.  It says they're not legally recognized as a couple, which is still stupid.  And marriage has already long lost its historical meaning of exchange of property.  People in the country marry for love, not because the man bought her with cows and horses (or I suppose an equivelent would be a car or something).  Marriage never used to be about love.

 

 

 

MeTaL_MoMmA_08
by on May. 9, 2012 at 10:53 PM

you live in a state that allows cousin-fucking... but gay marriage bothers you?

Quoting Taurus_Girl78:

 

Quoting futureshock:


Quoting Taurus_Girl78:

 I live in NC I am glad gay marraiges are banned here. I think it is wrong and disgusting.

Why is it disgusting? If gay marriage was legal in your state how would it affect your life?

 Not going to affect my life at all. I am happily married to  my wonderful hard working husband.  I just think it is gross that woman is attracted to a woman and a man is attracted to a man.  I beleive a woman should be with a man like it states in the bible.


Arroree
by Ruby Member on May. 9, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Oral sex used to be illegal and in some states those laws are still on the books.

Quoting I_told_you_so:

That's what it boils down to.  One group of people is trying to remove the Freedom of Choice for everyone.  First it's who you can marry, next it's what you can do with your own body.  Imagine what would happen if Pat Robertson hadn't come out saying that Oral Sex is ok?   Would they be trying to remove the Freedom to Choose whether to have oral sex or not?

Quoting Gmaof11:

Although, IMO, marriage should be between a man and a woman.  That's MO!

However, what that coalition is trying to contend is down right ludicrious!

As an American who still believes in FREEDOM TO CHOOSE!  It should be a choice and not dictated who we can or can't marry regardless of sex, color, creed.



newmom2be08
by Member on May. 10, 2012 at 1:17 AM
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Quoting ReginaStar:

I have not seen anywhere in that bible that says God wants his followers to enforce his laws (although the laws the bible list being Gods is completely debatable) so if anyone will be judged on judgement day it will be those who think they are almighter than God himself to take free will from his people. God wants us to choose, that's the whole reason he gave us choice.

That simply is not true.  A Christian is called to stand for truth.  And yes, God gave us free choice but He gave us the Bible, which we are to live by to help us make those decisions.

Eph 6:10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. 18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the saints.
Eph 6:19 Pray also for me, that whenever I open my mouth, words may be given me so that I will fearlessly make known the mystery of the gospel, 20 for which I am an ambassador in chains. Pray that I may declare it fearlessly, as I should.

Sekirei
by Nari Trickster on May. 10, 2012 at 3:12 AM
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and cue the banjos 

Quoting MeTaL_MoMmA_08:

you live in a state that allows cousin-fucking... but gay marriage bothers you?

Quoting Taurus_Girl78:

 

Quoting futureshock:


Quoting Taurus_Girl78:

 I live in NC I am glad gay marraiges are banned here. I think it is wrong and disgusting.

Why is it disgusting? If gay marriage was legal in your state how would it affect your life?

 Not going to affect my life at all. I am happily married to  my wonderful hard working husband.  I just think it is gross that woman is attracted to a woman and a man is attracted to a man.  I beleive a woman should be with a man like it states in the bible.



ReginaStar
by Gold Member on May. 10, 2012 at 7:53 AM
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Quoting newmom2be08:

 

Quoting ReginaStar:

I have not seen anywhere in that bible that says God wants his followers to enforce his laws (although the laws the bible list being Gods is completely debatable) so if anyone will be judged on judgement day it will be those who think they are almighter than God himself to take free will from his people. God wants us to choose, that's the whole reason he gave us choice.

That simply is not true.  A Christian is called to stand for truth.  And yes, God gave us free choice but He gave us the Bible, which we are to live by to help us make those decisions.

Eph 6:10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. 18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the saints.
Eph 6:19 Pray also for me, that whenever I open my mouth, words may be given me so that I will fearlessly make known the mystery of the gospel, 20 for which I am an ambassador in chains. Pray that I may declare it fearlessly, as I should.

There is NOTHING in those scriptures that say you should control others. It speaks about YOU and how YOU should handle your own self. And furthermore you left out the starting point. 

Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. 2 “Honor your father and mother”—which is the first commandment with a promise— 3 “so that it may go well with you and that you may enjoy long life on the earth.”[a]

4 Fathers,[b] do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord.

5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free.

9 And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.


Last time I checked forcing your religion on someone was most certainly causing annoyance, irritation, and anger. It clearly tells Fathers not to even do that to your children. What it does say is to TEACH them. Their is a HUGE difference from teaching and forcing.





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areid1023
by Silver Member on May. 10, 2012 at 8:03 AM

SUCH a good movie. 

but yeah...yikes.

Quoting Sekirei:

and cue the banjos 

Quoting MeTaL_MoMmA_08:

you live in a state that allows cousin-fucking... but gay marriage bothers you?

Quoting Taurus_Girl78:

 

Quoting futureshock:


Quoting Taurus_Girl78:

 I live in NC I am glad gay marraiges are banned here. I think it is wrong and disgusting.

Why is it disgusting? If gay marriage was legal in your state how would it affect your life?

 Not going to affect my life at all. I am happily married to  my wonderful hard working husband.  I just think it is gross that woman is attracted to a woman and a man is attracted to a man.  I beleive a woman should be with a man like it states in the bible.




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