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If you vote for gay marriage God will strike you dead

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Sodom and Greensboro

Vote for North Carolina’s amendment to ban gay marriage, or God will strike you dead.


Opponents of gay marriage at a 2009 rally in San Francisco.

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North Carolina is voting today on a state constitutional amendment to prohibit gay marriage. Actually, the amendment goes much further. By establishing that “marriage between one man and one woman is the only domestic legal union that shall be valid or recognized in this State,” it would invalidate all civil unions and domestic partnerships, regardless of orientation. If that’s not enough to worry you, opponents of the amendment are using this recorded phone message from Bill Clinton to turn voters against it:

What it will change is North Carolina’s ability to keep good businesses, attract new jobs, and attract and keep talented entrepreneurs.  If it passes, your ability to keep those businesses, get those jobs, and get those talented entrepreneurs will be weakened. … Its passage will also take away health insurance from children and could even take away domestic violence protections from women.

The coalition backing the amendment, Vote FOR Marriage NC, is denouncing this scare campaign. The coalition tells voters: “Make your decision on fact and not fear.” But just in case, the coalition and its allies are delivering a scarier message: Vote for the amendment, or you and your state will go to hell. Here’s a rundown of the campaign’s talking points.

1. Gay marriage will eliminate concern for children. “Every child born into a same-sex relationship is intentionally denied the love and affection of one of her biological parents,” the coalition argues. “Under a definition of marriage that is genderless, the interests of children … [are] eliminated entirely. Only the wishes of the two adults in question matter.”

2. Gay marriage will reduce procreation by heterosexual married couples. At a March 28 forum, coalition chairwoman Tami Fitzgerald alleged, “What gay marriage means is that fewer and fewer children are going to be raised by a married mother and father.” Fitzgerald didn’t explain the math or the mechanism. Perhaps some sort of distraction is involved.

3. Gay marriage will impoverish women and kids. According to the coalition, “When marriage ceases to have its historic meaning and understanding, over time fewer and fewer people will marry. We will have an inevitable increase in children born out of wedlock, an increase in fatherlessness, [and] a resulting increase in female and child poverty …” Apparently this is the causal sequence Fitzgerald has in mind: more marriages, therefore fewer marriages, and therefore, more starving children.

4. Gay marriage will destroy freedom.Gay marriage means the beginning of the end of religious freedom,” Fitzgerald predicted at the March 28 forum. The coalition elaborates:

Those who do not agree with this new definition of marriage … will be punished for their beliefs.  … Wedding professionals have been fined for refusing to participate in a same-sex ceremony. Christian innkeepers in Vermont and Illinois are being sued over their refusal to make their facilities available for same-sex weddings … A counselor, for example, could not refuse “marriage therapy” to a same-sex couple because she doesn’t believe in gay marriage. She’d put her licensure at risk.

The coalition offers no evidence or details for these allegations. The two stories I tracked down—the complaints in Vermont and Illinois—are based on public accommodations law, not on marriage law. So I wouldn’t put much stock in the rest of the coalition’s claims.

5. Gay marriage will weaken the economy. In support of the amendment, Mark Creech, executive director of the Christian Action League, says “mountains of social science research” show that “the well-being of children, the emotional and physical health of adults, and even the state of our workforce are all tethered in some way to the existence of stable one-man-and-one-woman marriages.” Somehow, gay marriage would undermine this foundation of productivity. The coalition contends: “If anything, the amendment will help our economy. States with a marriage protection amendment in their state constitution are some of our country’s top performing economic states.”

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by on May. 8, 2012 at 11:09 PM
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by Ruby Member on May. 10, 2012 at 12:43 PM
As a south Carolinian, I can say this law was passed by the legislature years ago. Our state constitution actively discourages, if not bans, state wide referenda knowing full well that her brave and loyal citizens can't be trusted to make a good decision without the guidance of our betters. Of course gay marriage would have been destroyed in a straight vote; fear of change and fear of god inform most decisions made in this state anyway.
We lost our right to civil unions and common law marriages when Bush was still in his first term I think. That being said, the state's concern with children and women is do acute that convicted child molesters still have parental rights and no man has ever been convicted of spousal rape, even in a case where he then raped her with foreign objects and hospitalized her for days.

ETA.: Unfortunately. It was worse than I thought. The wife has only thirty days to report the crime and they have to be legally separated and living apart for for it to be considered a crime in the first place. Also the max sentence is around ten years and force or intentionally drugging the victim must be included also. There is no war on women. You cant declare war on your own possessions.
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by Ruby Member on May. 10, 2012 at 12:55 PM
Of course, now I'm looking it up to make sure no one got convicted when I was out of state or not paying attention but it is slow going without westlaw.
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