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Kansas lawmakers pass ‘Sharia’ law bill

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A bill that would ban the use of foreign legal codes in Kansas courts — broadly written but particularly aimed at Islamic “Sharia” law — is on its way to the governor.

The 33-3 Senate vote came after a long and at times emotional debate Friday.

Opponents, including two senators who signed the committee report to bring the bill to the Senate floor, called it intolerant and unnecessary.

Proponents fired back that the bill would protect the U.S. and Kansas constitutions and prevent the use of foreign law to take away fundamental rights enjoyed in American courts.

Sen. Tim Owens, an Overland Park Republican who is the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, apologized for putting the Senate in the position of having to vote on the bill, which passed the House 120-0 earlier in the week.

“This is one where I made some mistakes. The first one was signing the conference report,” he said.

Emphasizing that he is a Christian, Owens said: “I think this bill will set Kansas out as a place not to go if you believe any other way than particularly a very small religious-right perspective. … This country is based on freedom. And it isn’t ‘You can only be free if you think like me.’”

Sen. Ty Masterson, an Andover Republican, supported the bill. Of opponents’ comments, he said: “I almost think they’re outrageous. Not only have we had a stretch of the truth, we’ve had a stretch of the rules. We don’t have any intolerance in this bill. Nobody’s stripped of their freedom of religion. This is talking about the law — American law, American courts.”

Sen. Susan Wagle, a Wichita Republican, argued that Sharia law itself is intolerant.

“They stone women to death in countries that have Sharia law,” she said.

Republican Sen. Chris Steineger of Kansas City, Kan., said the bill is obviously directed at Muslims.

He said he was first approached about the bill in January. The original pitch wasn’t about protecting the Constitution but that Muslims were trying to use Sharia law to take over the United States and had to be stopped.

“I thought that was quite ludicrous at the time, and I still do,” he said. “This (bill) doesn’t say Sharia law, but that’s how it was marketed back in January and all session long, and I have all the emails to prove it.”

Both the Council on American-Islamic Relations and the National Conference of State Legislatures say anti-Sharia proposals have been considered in 20 states, including Kansas. Oklahoma voters approved a ballot initiative in 2010 that specifically mentioned Sharia law, but both a federal judge and a federal appeals court blocked it.

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by on May. 12, 2012 at 9:01 AM
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TCgirlatheart
by TC on May. 12, 2012 at 10:06 AM
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Many of the Muslim moms here have pointed out time and again, that one of the major tenets of Sharia law is to follow the laws of the lands.  A person enters into Sharia law agreements ( I'm not sure of a better way to put that) by choice.  They are not forced.  If they are breaking local/state/federal laws, of course they should be investigated and prosecuted.  

If we (general) start banning one religion, we should be banning them all.  No more religious based legislation, period.

Now, I have to go work in the garden, well, we have to actually create the garden today.  So, I apologize for the post and run, so to speak.  

Quoting 12hellokitty:


Quoting TCgirlatheart:

What a waste of time and money.  In this country following Sharia law is a choice.  Using the Sharia system is a choice.  They are not pulling random citizens into "sharia court" and trying them.  SMH

It mentions that it's broadly written, I wonder if that will affect Beth Din too.

Kansas looks more and more inhospitable every day.  I'm glad my family got out when it did.  

The problem is Sharia is not clearly defined.  For the court to validate Sharia it would need to be clearly defined.  I have seen it compared to Canon law, big difference is the Catholic Church is universal and lead by the Pope.  Islam is inconsistent in it's views and is not universal in teachings. 


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JoshRachelsMAMA
by JRM on May. 12, 2012 at 10:07 AM
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I would presume it would also exclude International Laws, such as those of the UN. Good.

American Courts should follow American laws. Simple.
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singlemom1208
by on May. 12, 2012 at 10:07 AM
I completely agree Arwy724

Quoting Arwyn724:

 


Quoting LoveMyLilPeople:


 


Quoting Arwyn724:


 "Foriegn legal codes in American courts"  Why should this even be a question?  American court system, American law.  Break the law in any other foreign country and see if your trial (if you get a trial) will be conducted using American law.  Chances are, no.



Because Sharia law has been imposed on many democratic countries.  In an effort to be tolerant they have allowed to boundaries of democracy to be pushed beyond its limits in places like England, France, Holland, Denmark....


 Good for them  There is no place for Sharia law in America.

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NWP
by guerrilla girl on May. 12, 2012 at 10:08 AM
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Currently, the US is under attack from forced Christian moral law..Why do you think the Christian right has any more validity to do this than any other religion?

Theocracy is bad, no matter which "rules" they enforce on others.

Quoting LoveMyLilPeople:


Because Sharia law has been imposed on many democratic countries.  In an effort to be tolerant they have allowed to boundaries of democracy to be pushed beyond its limits in places like England, France, Holland, Denmark....


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Playitagain
by Member on May. 12, 2012 at 10:08 AM
I live in a very islamic area, I've seen sharia law put into public schools and many times used in court. Some of its fine but every once inwhile you end up with a man (or even his family) using something random from the sharia law. However... not all of it is bad and it greatly depends to the level which it is used.
all that being said and seeing as how I've lived surrounded by this since my birth, I don't think this is needed, what is needed is the realization of seperation of church and state and that goes for schools and in court rooms. No man should be able to quote sharia law in a court room as an excuse for something or to get what he wants in a divorce. Just like no man should be able to quote biblical text to get what he wants in court.
I can see why they did it and there is logic to it. No other nation gives our people the same rights, I recall all the nutty stuff I learned about the italian justice system while looking into the amanada knox cases (actual facts about the system itself) it was freaky, I never want to get arrested there and that's... well italy. Its sad we feel the need to actually put it in writing.
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Aichia
by Member on May. 12, 2012 at 10:09 AM
Happened in Pennsylvania when a Muslim man beat an Atheist for dressing as a Zombie Muhammad.
I'm mobile & can't make the links clicky sorry.

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/crime/muslim-admits-attacking-atheist-muslim-judge-dismisses-case

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/02/27/pennsylvania-judge-musim-zombie-muhammad_n_1304764.html


Quoting stacymomof2:

Link?  This isn't true.

Quoting Aichia:

There has been a few assault cases where the perpetrator got off claiming that they where following the sharia laws & didn't know they conflicted with the US laws.





Quoting Arwyn724:

 "Foriegn legal codes in American courts"  Why should this even be a question?  American court system, American law.  Break the law in any other foreign country and see if your trial (if you get a trial) will be conducted using American law.  Chances are, no.


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bookmommy
by on May. 12, 2012 at 10:09 AM

I find that hard to believe. Then why is it such a huge issue in France and some of the eastern European countries? The Muslim population there is trying to get Sharia law approved as well as a Muslim representation in government.

Quoting stacymomof2:

Sharia requires you to abide by the laws of the country in which you live.

Quoting bookmommy:

Exactly. Do we want these laws in our country? So by Sharia law, The husbands have total control-they can beat their wives with no consequences. Women who work outside the home or drive cars are subject to punishment, as well as stoning or even death for adultery. All of which are against the American laws we have currently in place.

Quoting Aichia:

There has been a few assault cases where the perpetrator got off claiming that they where following the sharia laws & didn't know they conflicted with the US laws.


Quoting Arwyn724:

 "Foriegn legal codes in American courts"  Why should this even be a question?  American court system, American law.  Break the law in any other foreign country and see if your trial (if you get a trial) will be conducted using American law.  Chances are, no.




JoshRachelsMAMA
by JRM on May. 12, 2012 at 10:10 AM
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Ignorance of the law ( USA's) is NO excuse to break it.
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stormcris
by Christy on May. 12, 2012 at 10:12 AM
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Either ban all religious law or none at all.

stacymomof2
by Ruby Member on May. 12, 2012 at 10:15 AM
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Sigh.  See, Candlegal, your huge lie of an OP back a few months ago lives on in infamy.  People still believe the bullshit and you helped spread it.  

Aichia, that story is a lie.  A made up anti-Muslim propaganda piece.  That story was debunked.  Corrected by the original writer of the story in a half-assed way long after the story took off.  Of course the correction has been ignored.  Here is a post I made about it with the relevant info:

http://www.cafemom.com/group/99198/forums/read/16085257/FEAR_MONGERING_101

Quoting Aichia:

Happened in Pennsylvania when a Muslim man beat an Atheist for dressing as a Zombie Muhammad.
I'm mobile & can't make the links clicky sorry.

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/crime/muslim-admits-attacking-atheist-muslim-judge-dismisses-case

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/02/27/pennsylvania-judge-musim-zombie-muhammad_n_1304764.html


Quoting stacymomof2:

Link?  This isn't true.

Quoting Aichia:

There has been a few assault cases where the perpetrator got off claiming that they where following the sharia laws & didn't know they conflicted with the US laws.





Quoting Arwyn724:

 "Foriegn legal codes in American courts"  Why should this even be a question?  American court system, American law.  Break the law in any other foreign country and see if your trial (if you get a trial) will be conducted using American law.  Chances are, no.



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