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Kansas lawmakers pass ‘Sharia’ law bill

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A bill that would ban the use of foreign legal codes in Kansas courts — broadly written but particularly aimed at Islamic “Sharia” law — is on its way to the governor.

The 33-3 Senate vote came after a long and at times emotional debate Friday.

Opponents, including two senators who signed the committee report to bring the bill to the Senate floor, called it intolerant and unnecessary.

Proponents fired back that the bill would protect the U.S. and Kansas constitutions and prevent the use of foreign law to take away fundamental rights enjoyed in American courts.

Sen. Tim Owens, an Overland Park Republican who is the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, apologized for putting the Senate in the position of having to vote on the bill, which passed the House 120-0 earlier in the week.

“This is one where I made some mistakes. The first one was signing the conference report,” he said.

Emphasizing that he is a Christian, Owens said: “I think this bill will set Kansas out as a place not to go if you believe any other way than particularly a very small religious-right perspective. … This country is based on freedom. And it isn’t ‘You can only be free if you think like me.’”

Sen. Ty Masterson, an Andover Republican, supported the bill. Of opponents’ comments, he said: “I almost think they’re outrageous. Not only have we had a stretch of the truth, we’ve had a stretch of the rules. We don’t have any intolerance in this bill. Nobody’s stripped of their freedom of religion. This is talking about the law — American law, American courts.”

Sen. Susan Wagle, a Wichita Republican, argued that Sharia law itself is intolerant.

“They stone women to death in countries that have Sharia law,” she said.

Republican Sen. Chris Steineger of Kansas City, Kan., said the bill is obviously directed at Muslims.

He said he was first approached about the bill in January. The original pitch wasn’t about protecting the Constitution but that Muslims were trying to use Sharia law to take over the United States and had to be stopped.

“I thought that was quite ludicrous at the time, and I still do,” he said. “This (bill) doesn’t say Sharia law, but that’s how it was marketed back in January and all session long, and I have all the emails to prove it.”

Both the Council on American-Islamic Relations and the National Conference of State Legislatures say anti-Sharia proposals have been considered in 20 states, including Kansas. Oklahoma voters approved a ballot initiative in 2010 that specifically mentioned Sharia law, but both a federal judge and a federal appeals court blocked it.

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by on May. 12, 2012 at 9:01 AM
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kailu1835
by Ruby Member on May. 12, 2012 at 3:26 PM
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 The bill isn't about sharia in specifics.  It is about ALL foreign laws not being used to determine guilt or innocence in a court of trial.  It makes US and state law the only governing bodies over anyone in that state.  This affects Jews too, by the way.

From the Bill: http://www.kslegislature.org/li/b2011_12/measures/documents/hb2087_01_0000.pdf

Quote:

Sec. 3. Any court, arbitration, tribunal or administrative agency ruling or decision shall violate the public policy of this state and be void and unenforceable if the court, arbitration, tribunal or administrative agency bases its rulings or decisions in the matter at issue in whole or in part on any foreign law, legal code or system that would not grant the parties affected by the ruling or decision the same fundamental liberties, rights and privileges granted under the United States and Kansas constitutions.


 

muslimahpj
by Ruby Member on May. 12, 2012 at 3:51 PM


Quoting kailu1835:

 The bill isn't about sharia in specifics.  It is about ALL foreign laws not being used to determine guilt or innocence in a court of trial.  It makes US and state law the only governing bodies over anyone in that state.  This affects Jews too, by the way.

From the Bill: http://www.kslegislature.org/li/b2011_12/measures/documents/hb2087_01_0000.pdf


Quote:

Sec. 3. Any court, arbitration, tribunal or administrative agency ruling or decision shall violate the public policy of this state and be void and unenforceable if the court, arbitration, tribunal or administrative agency bases its rulings or decisions in the matter at issue in whole or in part on any foreign law, legal code or system that would not grant the parties affected by the ruling or decision the same fundamental liberties, rights and privileges granted under the United States and Kansas constitutions.



 

It also affects Native Americans, too. It can have a big repercussion on international business, too. Thats why it was tossed in OK.

NWP
by guerrilla girl on May. 12, 2012 at 4:12 PM

In his response to 911, one of our country's top investigative reporters decided to write a book on the affects of religious extremism. He didn't have to look far to find it. See what is happening in our country when "religious laws" are imposed on the people.

Read if for yourself!

Under the Banner of Heaven:

A Story of Violent Faith (Google eBook)
Front Cover
4551 Reviews
Random House Digital, Inc., Jun 8, 2004 - 399 pages

Jon Krakauer’s literary reputation rests on insightful chronicles of lives conducted at the outer limits. He now shifts his focus from extremes of physical adventure to extremes of religious belief within our own borders, taking readers inside isolated American communities where some 40,000 Mormon Fundamentalists still practice polygamy. Defying both civil authorities and the Mormon establishment in Salt Lake City, the renegade leaders of these Taliban-like theocracies are zealots who answer only to God.

http://www.amazon.com/Under-Banner-Heaven-Story-Violent/dp/0385509510

Quoting LoveMyLilPeople:


Quoting NWP:

Currently, the US is under attack from forced Christian moral law..Why do you think the Christian right has any more validity to do this than any other religion?

Theocracy is bad, no matter which "rules" they enforce on others.

Quoting LoveMyLilPeople:


Because Sharia law has been imposed on many democratic countries.  In an effort to be tolerant they have allowed to boundaries of democracy to be pushed beyond its limits in places like England, France, Holland, Denmark....


Don't be stupid.  The Christian impositions you are talking about are non-existent, one.  Two, the worst thing they try to impose is an end to abortion... and that's a good thing.  They certainly aren't advocating stoning to death women and girls who are raped or circumcising little girls. 


Nice Widdle Puppy

LilyofPhilly
by Gold Member on May. 12, 2012 at 4:33 PM


Quoting Arwyn724:

 

Quoting LoveMyLilPeople:


Quoting Arwyn724:

 "Foriegn legal codes in American courts"  Why should this even be a question?  American court system, American law.  Break the law in any other foreign country and see if your trial (if you get a trial) will be conducted using American law.  Chances are, no.


Because Sharia law has been imposed on many democratic countries.  In an effort to be tolerant they have allowed to boundaries of democracy to be pushed beyond its limits in places like England, France, Holland, Denmark....

 Good for them  There is no place for Sharia law in America.

I don't believe Sharia law has been implemented in any democratic nation, not for one minute. This is sheer hystrionics. Next thing you know, they'll be pushing to pass an anti-communism bill. (if they haven't already)

LilyofPhilly
by Gold Member on May. 12, 2012 at 4:42 PM
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Quoting LoveMyLilPeople:


Quoting NWP:

Currently, the US is under attack from forced Christian moral law..Why do you think the Christian right has any more validity to do this than any other religion?

Theocracy is bad, no matter which "rules" they enforce on others.

Quoting LoveMyLilPeople:


Because Sharia law has been imposed on many democratic countries.  In an effort to be tolerant they have allowed to boundaries of democracy to be pushed beyond its limits in places like England, France, Holland, Denmark....


Don't be stupid.  The Christian impositions you are talking about are non-existent, one.  Two, the worst thing they try to impose is an end to abortion... and that's a good thing.  They certainly aren't advocating stoning to death women and girls who are raped or circumcising little girls. 

How dare you accuse NWP of "being stupid"! It's not stupid of you don't follow the Christian religion to not want laws passed that are only based on the Christian religion. Some of us don't think taking away a woman's right to control her own body is a good thing. Some of us are disgusted that gay couples have no rights, and loving parents have to live in fear of their children being taken away because they can't legally adopt them. Some of us think people should have a right to decide when their lives end if they are sick and suffering. Some of us are sick and tired of right-wing Evangelical Christians trying to run our lives, tell us what businesses can operate on a Sunday, or if we can buy a bottle of wine, or what we can and can't watch on TV or hear on the radio. 

You are completely ignorant saying Sharia is about stoning women or circumcising girls. Have you read your Bible lately? I see plenty of instructions to stone people in there, and circumcize grown men! The Great King David brought his future father-in-law 100 foreskins from the Philistines to please him! And you have the nerve to judge some other religion that you know nothing about!

Shortiekt
by Gold Member on May. 12, 2012 at 4:45 PM

What cases? I'd love to know only because I have always been taught that ignorance of the law does not negate responsibility.

Quoting Aichia:

There has been a few assault cases where the perpetrator got off claiming that they where following the sharia laws & didn't know they conflicted with the US laws.


Quoting Arwyn724:

 "Foriegn legal codes in American courts"  Why should this even be a question?  American court system, American law.  Break the law in any other foreign country and see if your trial (if you get a trial) will be conducted using American law.  Chances are, no.


LilyofPhilly
by Gold Member on May. 12, 2012 at 4:52 PM

Seriously, have we learned nothing from the Red Scare? 

LauraKW
by "Dude!" on May. 12, 2012 at 4:52 PM

 The amount of false information that is held as gospel coupled with an utter lack of education in this post is astounding.  People, turn off the tv and walk outside your homes.  Things aren't nearly as scary in the world of 3D people as you think.

LilyofPhilly
by Gold Member on May. 12, 2012 at 4:52 PM

Proof?

Quoting Shortiekt:

What cases? I'd love to know only because I have always been taught that ignorance of the law does not negate responsibility.

Quoting Aichia:

There has been a few assault cases where the perpetrator got off claiming that they where following the sharia laws & didn't know they conflicted with the US laws.


Quoting Arwyn724:

 "Foriegn legal codes in American courts"  Why should this even be a question?  American court system, American law.  Break the law in any other foreign country and see if your trial (if you get a trial) will be conducted using American law.  Chances are, no.



Arroree
by Ruby Member on May. 12, 2012 at 4:55 PM


Quoting LilyofPhilly:

Why don't they address the Christian religion being pushed into laws-which is an actual problem?

Exactly.

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