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Newspaper: 4 witnesses change stories in Trayvon Martin shooting

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At least four key witnesses have changed their stories about what they saw the night George Zimmerman fatally shot Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Fla., the Orlando Sentinel reported Tuesday.


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The report comes after state prosecutors released about half the evidence they have in their second-degree murder case against Zimmerman.

The witnesses, known publicly only by numbers, first talked to Sanford police and later to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement and state prosecutors.

Among the changes, according to the Sentinel:

Witness 2: A young woman from the Retreat at Twin Lakes community, where Martin, 17, was shot Feb. 26, first told investigators she saw two men running and a fist fight. She later said she only saw one person running and couldn’t distinguish much because she had removed her contact lenses.

Witness 12: A young mother in the townhome community first said she saw two men on the ground but wasn’t sure who was on top; she later said Zimmerman was on top because she recognized his size based on news reports.

Witness 13: A male neighbor first said Zimmerman, with a bloodied head, told him he had to shoot Martin because “he was beating up on me,” and to please call Zimmerman’s wife. He later went into detail and described Zimmerman’s tone right after the shooting as casual, like the shooting was “nothing.”

Witness 6: A male neighbor, whose story change was initially reported Friday, first told police Martin was on top of Zimmerman and throwing down punches mixed martial arts style. He also first said Zimmerman was calling for help. The man later said he wasn’t sure who was yelling for help, and that Martin may have merely pinned Zimmerman to the ground. He was still sure, however, that Martin was on top.

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by on May. 23, 2012 at 4:36 AM
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sweet-a-kins
by Emerald Member on May. 23, 2012 at 9:43 PM
I don't agree

Two witness complained that when they told cops what they saw ( Zimmerman on top) cops said no..it was the other way..


Quoting Jesi_79:

 The problem with this is that the first statements were taken in the hours after the event, the prosecutors and state investigators six weeks later after NBC created the media frenzy.  The prosecution would be foolish to use the statements as they will be easily debunked by the defense deflecting the issue for the change being the media attention, after it became a race issue, and nobody wants to be a racist so they will say what they think is popular, or the defense will say it is tainted because they changed their statements because they wanted to say what the second investigation wanted to prove.


Pleasing investigators and public opinion are two of the many reasons why eyewitness statements are generally bad evidence.  So 4 witnesses changed their stories, leaving Martin with another 9 who corroborate his story and the state with none.  The media should drop the story that they created and let the trial happen in court, not on the pages of the Sentinel or in front of MSBNC cameras.


 

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Jesi_79
by Bronze Member on May. 23, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Then we'll have to wait until the prosecutor releases those statements, they haven't yet.  Only NBC has reported that and we know NBC has no credibility as they have already manufactured lies in their false reports.  If that is the case the Dept of Justice and Florida State Attorney's office should focus on the police intimidating witnesses instead of a case for which they can't even prove manslaughter.

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

I don't agree

Two witness complained that when they told cops what they saw ( Zimmerman on top) cops said no..it was the other way..


Quoting Jesi_79:

 The problem with this is that the first statements were taken in the hours after the event, the prosecutors and state investigators six weeks later after NBC created the media frenzy.  The prosecution would be foolish to use the statements as they will be easily debunked by the defense deflecting the issue for the change being the media attention, after it became a race issue, and nobody wants to be a racist so they will say what they think is popular, or the defense will say it is tainted because they changed their statements because they wanted to say what the second investigation wanted to prove.


Pleasing investigators and public opinion are two of the many reasons why eyewitness statements are generally bad evidence.  So 4 witnesses changed their stories, leaving Martin with another 9 who corroborate his story and the state with none.  The media should drop the story that they created and let the trial happen in court, not on the pages of the Sentinel or in front of MSBNC cameras.


 

 

sweet-a-kins
by Emerald Member on May. 23, 2012 at 10:41 PM
They were released, from the beginning.

This is probably why Zimmerman gave a statement and admitted to being on top of Martin at one point


Quoting Jesi_79:

Then we'll have to wait until the prosecutor releases those statements, they haven't yet.  Only NBC has reported that and we know NBC has no credibility as they have already manufactured lies in their false reports.  If that is the case the Dept of Justice and Florida State Attorney's office should focus on the police intimidating witnesses instead of a case for which they can't even prove manslaughter.


Quoting sweet-a-kins:

I don't agree

Two witness complained that when they told cops what they saw ( Zimmerman on top) cops said no..it was the other way..



Quoting Jesi_79:


 The problem with this is that the first statements were taken in the hours after the event, the prosecutors and state investigators six weeks later after NBC created the media frenzy.  The prosecution would be foolish to use the statements as they will be easily debunked by the defense deflecting the issue for the change being the media attention, after it became a race issue, and nobody wants to be a racist so they will say what they think is popular, or the defense will say it is tainted because they changed their statements because they wanted to say what the second investigation wanted to prove.



Pleasing investigators and public opinion are two of the many reasons why eyewitness statements are generally bad evidence.  So 4 witnesses changed their stories, leaving Martin with another 9 who corroborate his story and the state with none.  The media should drop the story that they created and let the trial happen in court, not on the pages of the Sentinel or in front of MSBNC cameras.



 


 

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LauraKW
by "Dude!" on May. 23, 2012 at 11:25 PM

 You're very adamant on what can and can't be proven and why, when approx half the evidence hasn't been released yet.

Quoting Jesi_79:

Then we'll have to wait until the prosecutor releases those statements, they haven't yet.  Only NBC has reported that and we know NBC has no credibility as they have already manufactured lies in their false reports.  If that is the case the Dept of Justice and Florida State Attorney's office should focus on the police intimidating witnesses instead of a case for which they can't even prove manslaughter.

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

I don't agree

Two witness complained that when they told cops what they saw ( Zimmerman on top) cops said no..it was the other way..


Quoting Jesi_79:

 The problem with this is that the first statements were taken in the hours after the event, the prosecutors and state investigators six weeks later after NBC created the media frenzy.  The prosecution would be foolish to use the statements as they will be easily debunked by the defense deflecting the issue for the change being the media attention, after it became a race issue, and nobody wants to be a racist so they will say what they think is popular, or the defense will say it is tainted because they changed their statements because they wanted to say what the second investigation wanted to prove.


Pleasing investigators and public opinion are two of the many reasons why eyewitness statements are generally bad evidence.  So 4 witnesses changed their stories, leaving Martin with another 9 who corroborate his story and the state with none.  The media should drop the story that they created and let the trial happen in court, not on the pages of the Sentinel or in front of MSBNC cameras.


 

 

 

Jesi_79
by Bronze Member on May. 24, 2012 at 6:53 AM

Sorry if I come across as being "adamant" but I am an engineer and have been trained to make decisions using facts, and am limiting my comments to what has been officially released.  However, while the state is in the process of releasing their evidence, the defense has already disclosed quite a bit of theirs as well, not to mention the ME released the forensic reports.  While there is not enough made public to decide what really happened, there is enough known to say that the prosecution's case is weak and despite the apparent spin by NBC/MSNBC to keep their story alive in the way they reported these four changed stories, when all is considered, it does not help the prosecution that much other than negating their statements, meaning they no longer help the defense, but they do not present a positive for the prosecution either.

Quoting LauraKW:

 You're very adamant on what can and can't be proven and why, when approx half the evidence hasn't been released yet.

Quoting Jesi_79:

Then we'll have to wait until the prosecutor releases those statements, they haven't yet.  Only NBC has reported that and we know NBC has no credibility as they have already manufactured lies in their false reports.  If that is the case the Dept of Justice and Florida State Attorney's office should focus on the police intimidating witnesses instead of a case for which they can't even prove manslaughter.

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

I don't agree

Two witness complained that when they told cops what they saw ( Zimmerman on top) cops said no..it was the other way..


Quoting Jesi_79:

 The problem with this is that the first statements were taken in the hours after the event, the prosecutors and state investigators six weeks later after NBC created the media frenzy.  The prosecution would be foolish to use the statements as they will be easily debunked by the defense deflecting the issue for the change being the media attention, after it became a race issue, and nobody wants to be a racist so they will say what they think is popular, or the defense will say it is tainted because they changed their statements because they wanted to say what the second investigation wanted to prove.


Pleasing investigators and public opinion are two of the many reasons why eyewitness statements are generally bad evidence.  So 4 witnesses changed their stories, leaving Martin with another 9 who corroborate his story and the state with none.  The media should drop the story that they created and let the trial happen in court, not on the pages of the Sentinel or in front of MSBNC cameras.


 

 

 

 

LauraKW
by "Dude!" on May. 24, 2012 at 8:41 AM
Then you should know not to make assumtions with half of your data missing.

Quoting Jesi_79:

Sorry if I come across as being "adamant" but I am an engineer and have been trained to make decisions using facts, and am limiting my comments to what has been officially released.  However, while the state is in the process of releasing their evidence, the defense has already disclosed quite a bit of theirs as well, not to mention the ME released the forensic reports.  While there is not enough made public to decide what really happened, there is enough known to say that the prosecution's case is weak and despite the apparent spin by NBC/MSNBC to keep their story alive in the way they reported these four changed stories, when all is considered, it does not help the prosecution that much other than negating their statements, meaning they no longer help the defense, but they do not present a positive for the prosecution either.


Quoting LauraKW:


 You're very adamant on what can and can't be proven and why, when approx half the evidence hasn't been released yet.


Quoting Jesi_79:


Then we'll have to wait until the prosecutor releases those statements, they haven't yet.  Only NBC has reported that and we know NBC has no credibility as they have already manufactured lies in their false reports.  If that is the case the Dept of Justice and Florida State Attorney's office should focus on the police intimidating witnesses instead of a case for which they can't even prove manslaughter.


Quoting sweet-a-kins:

I don't agree

Two witness complained that when they told cops what they saw ( Zimmerman on top) cops said no..it was the other way..



Quoting Jesi_79:


 The problem with this is that the first statements were taken in the hours after the event, the prosecutors and state investigators six weeks later after NBC created the media frenzy.  The prosecution would be foolish to use the statements as they will be easily debunked by the defense deflecting the issue for the change being the media attention, after it became a race issue, and nobody wants to be a racist so they will say what they think is popular, or the defense will say it is tainted because they changed their statements because they wanted to say what the second investigation wanted to prove.



Pleasing investigators and public opinion are two of the many reasons why eyewitness statements are generally bad evidence.  So 4 witnesses changed their stories, leaving Martin with another 9 who corroborate his story and the state with none.  The media should drop the story that they created and let the trial happen in court, not on the pages of the Sentinel or in front of MSBNC cameras.



 


 


 


 

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