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CALLING ALL PRO-CHOICERS - I WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU THINK - WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE?

Abortions are being done now, not for medical reasons, rape or unwanted pregnancies.  Abortions have added a new category.  Gender abortions.  Do you agree or disagree on this type of abortion.  I just saw the movie What to expect when you are expecting.  One of the couples were told they were going to have a girl and they actually had a boy.  So, if they wanted a boy and was told that they had a girl then got an abortion.... see my point. ( well don't answer that, that was something to think about).  I want to know what you think about gender abortions.  btw - I am  pro-life.

*ADDED AFTER ORIGINAL POST

I was telling my dh about the post. He said to ask do you agree with Dread Scott decision? When slavery was legal, they said blacks were not people and did not have any rights. My point, they weren't in anyone's uterus. This is our problem. When we say not my uterus, not my problem. It is our problem as a whole society. It sends out a message how we little we view life.

by on May. 31, 2012 at 12:34 PM
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MeAndTommyLee
by Platinum Member on Jun. 1, 2012 at 2:37 PM
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That's not the point.  Mother Nature blesses you with a baby boy or girl -- YOU DON'T GET TO PICK.  YOU'RE NOT SHOPPING.

Quoting LauraKW:

That's your cop-out opinion and you're welcome to it. If you don't want a gender-based abortion, don't have one. If you don't want a "designer baby" don't have one.

Quoting MeAndTommyLee:

Sounds like a `cop-out' to me.  So now we have `designer babies'.  Our baby was `created' per our  request.  Glad I'm in my mid-40's now and won't have to live long enough to see the world distroyed by genetic selective humans, cloning, etc.  (Or whatever douchey labels that are sure to come.)


Quoting LauraKW:

We are to respect any legal medical procedure on which a man or woman and their respective doctors choose.


Quoting MeAndTommyLee:


I support and understand your position, but when does it end?  Are we to support everything and anything women do with their own bodies?  Any gender for that matter. 



Quoting chezlapin:



Freedom. If others decisions don't affect me or my life in any way, I have to accept it.



 


 


aritoyh
by Member on Jun. 1, 2012 at 2:44 PM
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I really don't care  why someone has an abortion. It isn't any of my business at all. I will always be pro-choice. 

Momniscient
by Ruby Member on Jun. 1, 2012 at 3:07 PM
Lol!
Obviously.


Quoting rocketracer:

All in the approach and your approach has illustrated that your are an excellent example of someone, who is all for choice, yet is intolerant of others with different oppinions/choices.  Classic. 


Quoting Momniscient:



Okay.


I think your attitude is nosy and that you are a busybody and shouldn't be allowed to vote because of your choice to impose your beliefs on other people over some insecure need to feel like you are the moral authority when you are obviously just a control freak.


*shrugs*


Oh. And I think 'giving money to a shelter' doesn't justify you accosting pregnant women with your own views. Go do something useful rather than lambast other women who make different choices than you.


I'll wait patiently until you make other choices I think are stupid.


Quoting rocketracer:


Go ahead.  No big deal for me. 


Quoting Momniscient:

Uh huh.

I'm sure then you'll be fine with me telling you exactly what choices I think you are making wrong.




Quoting rocketracer:


I have given money to women's shelters.  



When I have approached an expectant mother who was smoking, I wasn't aggressive so I didn't accost her.  Not every approach is a violent approach.



Quoting Momniscient:

Neat.
You should put all that zeal to good use and work at shelters and give your time and money to where it will really help. But you probably already do that rather than accosting pregnant woman randomly right?






Quoting rocketracer:



No, I wouldn't physically assault them, but I have told them that it's not all about them anymore.




Quoting Momniscient:

No.

What would you do? Physically assault them?





Quoting rocketracer:




Question for pro-choicers:





If you saw a pregnant woman smoking, drinking (alcohol) and/or taking drugs would you do or say anyting to stop the pregnant woman from smoking, drinking and/or taking drugs?  




 



 


 





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Momniscient
by Ruby Member on Jun. 1, 2012 at 3:07 PM
Then don't shop.

Quoting MeAndTommyLee:

That's not the point.  Mother Nature blesses you with a baby boy or girl -- YOU DON'T GET TO PICK.  YOU'RE NOT SHOPPING.


Quoting LauraKW:

That's your cop-out opinion and you're welcome to it. If you don't want a gender-based abortion, don't have one. If you don't want a "designer baby" don't have one.


Quoting MeAndTommyLee:


Sounds like a `cop-out' to me.  So now we have `designer babies'.  Our baby was `created' per our  request.  Glad I'm in my mid-40's now and won't have to live long enough to see the world distroyed by genetic selective humans, cloning, etc.  (Or whatever douchey labels that are sure to come.)



Quoting LauraKW:

We are to respect any legal medical procedure on which a man or woman and their respective doctors choose.



Quoting MeAndTommyLee:



I support and understand your position, but when does it end?  Are we to support everything and anything women do with their own bodies?  Any gender for that matter. 




Quoting chezlapin:




Freedom. If others decisions don't affect me or my life in any way, I have to accept it.




 



 



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violetlady
by Member on Jun. 1, 2012 at 3:21 PM
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I hope someone in the future states without any doubt when any form of life start to have rights or when scientist's and government together make a definition and law ... then everything else will be more clear. There shouldn't be pro this pro that..... we are playing with fire too much. It's sad
I have two boys, i will be happy to have a girl..... but i will love anything that grows in my uterus and then called me "Miami !"
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blessingsofmany
by Member on Jun. 1, 2012 at 3:28 PM
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Quoting AdrianneHill:

I don't know if this has been answered yet but it I'd very true China and India had a long history of gender abortions, to the point that the discrepancy was noticed by the govt officials as being dangerous to the future ability to procreate. One Indian study showed that out of 5000 abortions for non medical issues, only one was a boy. Forward thinking officials realized that the selfish actions of parents would cause problems within twenty years when there are hundreds of males of marriageable age and only a few girls. This is especially true in India where care system also places constraints on marriage partners. The wealthy were more likely than the PR to have the money to pick a gender so those wealthy families would have to marry below their care if they wanted grandchildren.

Both countries have made gender based abortions illegal and that is why there are so many girls in China available to be adopted. I think it is not a coincidence that the problems in east Asia coincide with all of those boys reaching maturity and being unable to find suitable marriage partners. This goes for Pakistan and Bangladesh too but muslims were less likely to abort a girl child but were just as likely to withhold food and medical services in favor of a son receiving the lion's share. The gap is not as large but it still exists in the 'stans and the ever present fighting on the borders are bringing down the ratio. The surplus of males in a society by preferential treatment by parents is an old problem and has almost always been solved the same way: war. Too many young men committing with older, more established men for wives (especially in polygamous societies) usually had a war every generation or so to whittle down the numbers. That also had something to do with the fact that soldiers are usually young males with more bravery than sense and a penchant to risk taking and to be likely to want to solve conflicts through violence.
I'm sure no one realized that the pattern was going that way but nature has a way of evening things out.


Quoting gdiamante:

That's been going on in China for many many many years. I seem to recall there was an issue in India as well.

 

Still the parents' choice. It's better than exposing the child to the elements, which is what they used to do.

 

Thank you for making that point.  I hope this country realizes that before it is too late.  A lot of your replies are not my uterus not my problem.  But it is our problem.  There are people who murder, steal and whatever are you ok with them too?  This decision effect society as a whole and how society looks at the value of life.

 If you have just google it yourselves and find out.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr3541/text  Here is the whole bill, you can read it yourself

chezlapin
by Member on Jun. 1, 2012 at 3:30 PM

I didn't say "I support" or "I don't support". The same way I want others to respect my freedom, I have to do the same.

With freedom come responsibilities, those women's choices are their own, I can't judge. I could but wouldn't be fair.

Their body, their life, their decision.

Quoting MeAndTommyLee:

I support and understand your position, but when does it end?  Are we to support everything and anything women do with their own bodies?  Any gender for that matter. 

Quoting chezlapin:

Freedom. If others decisions don't affect me or my life in any way, I have to accept it.



Guy www.chezlapinjustastepmom.com 


chezlapin
by Member on Jun. 1, 2012 at 3:37 PM

Who are we to criticize likings? I like designer good everything, what is wrong with that? I also would like to own a house in any country I like, but I can't. So, because of that I'll criticize someone who can design "THEIR PERFECT LIFE"? If they are happy and make the children happy, more power to them. They are free to make THEIR choices, if doesn't affect me I have no say.


Quoting MeAndTommyLee:

Sounds like a `cop-out' to me.  So now we have `designer babies'.  Our baby was `created' per our  request.  Glad I'm in my mid-40's now and won't have to live long enough to see the world distroyed by genetic selective humans, cloning, etc.  (Or whatever douchey labels that are sure to come.)

Quoting LauraKW:

We are to respect any legal medical procedure on which a man or woman and their respective doctors choose.

Quoting MeAndTommyLee:

I support and understand your position, but when does it end?  Are we to support everything and anything women do with their own bodies?  Any gender for that matter. 


Quoting chezlapin:


Freedom. If others decisions don't affect me or my life in any way, I have to accept it.





Guy www.chezlapinjustastepmom.com 


blessingsofmany
by Member on Jun. 1, 2012 at 3:40 PM
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr3541/text - you can read the whole bill here:  It wouldn't let me copy and paste the whole bill.
 
 
H.R. 3541: Prenatal Nondiscrimination Act (PRENDA) of 2012

112th Congress, 2011-2012. Text as of May 29, 2012 (Reported by House Committee).

 HR 3541 RH

 Union Calendar No. 349

112th CONGRESS

 2d Session

 

H. R. 3541

 

[Report No. 112-496]

 

To prohibit discrimination against the unborn on the basis of sex or race, and for other purposes.

 

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

 

chezlapin
by Member on Jun. 1, 2012 at 3:41 PM

sidesplittinglaughterExactly what I thought. I actually hate shopping per se, I would pay someone to do it for me if I didn't work hard for everything I have!!

Quoting Momniscient:

Then don't shop.

Quoting MeAndTommyLee:

That's not the point.  Mother Nature blesses you with a baby boy or girl -- YOU DON'T GET TO PICK.  YOU'RE NOT SHOPPING.


Quoting LauraKW:

That's your cop-out opinion and you're welcome to it. If you don't want a gender-based abortion, don't have one. If you don't want a "designer baby" don't have one.


Quoting MeAndTommyLee:


Sounds like a `cop-out' to me.  So now we have `designer babies'.  Our baby was `created' per our  request.  Glad I'm in my mid-40's now and won't have to live long enough to see the world distroyed by genetic selective humans, cloning, etc.  (Or whatever douchey labels that are sure to come.)



Quoting LauraKW:

We are to respect any legal medical procedure on which a man or woman and their respective doctors choose.



Quoting MeAndTommyLee:



I support and understand your position, but when does it end?  Are we to support everything and anything women do with their own bodies?  Any gender for that matter. 




Quoting chezlapin:




Freedom. If others decisions don't affect me or my life in any way, I have to accept it.











Guy www.chezlapinjustastepmom.com 


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