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Why are black people generally more poor than whites? Racism. Really? Racism is the only reason?

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This is a spin off from the post about out of wedlock birthrates.

So is the premise in the title true, that racism is the sole reason for higher poverty rates in the black community than the white community?

In my opinion racism is a large issue but not the sole issue. 

You can't find a solution for something until you admit it's a problem.
by on Jun. 4, 2012 at 10:19 AM
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krysstizzle
by DeepThought on Jun. 4, 2012 at 10:51 AM
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There are reasons why there are outliers. Because the majority do not make it that far, plain and simple, and the reasons are generally rooted in history.

I do wonder if you really think if everyone just tried hard enough, we wouldn't have anyone living in poverty. Is that what you think? 

Quoting Mommy2BeAmy:

Oh please what a bullshit.

My Dh came to this country from middle east you know the racial slurs out there of being Muslim and so on. My Dh didn even have a family Here he had no one and now at 24 he has accomplished more then what most people accomplish at the age of 50. There were times my Dh even slept in his car so he didn't have the extra expenses so he could save as much as possible get out of being poor and open business of his own. He was at rock bottom with no home and guess what by the grace of God he owns many businesses and is flourishing. So don't give me this bullshit they are are more poor then whites because of racism, they have opportunities if statistics shows they are in more poverty then whites then maybe they should do a study on how many of them are trying to dig themselves out of that hole instead of meddling in it.


Quoting krysstizzle:

Is it nice living with rose colored glasses attached to your face? 

When a group of people has to do twice or three times the amount of work than another group, is it any wonder that not many climb out?


Quoting Mommy2BeAmy:

No not at all. This is America where there is opportunity. People come here from other countries and start from nothing and become millionaires. Whoever is in poverty chooses to stay in that lifestyle instead of finding ways to get out, it's ridiculous to say "racism". Like racists have ability over the financials of the black community but some how one squeaked by and became president. Yeah...ok




Judesmom333
by on Jun. 4, 2012 at 10:52 AM
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No. Racism has nothing to do with poverty. Everyone is entitled to equal opportunity.

krysstizzle
by DeepThought on Jun. 4, 2012 at 10:54 AM
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Question: do you think someone born upper-middle class in the suburbs has the same opportunities as someone born into deep poverty? Education opportunities, nutrition, extracurriculars, access to resources, etc?

Quoting Judesmom333:

No. Racism has nothing to do with poverty. Everyone is entitled to equal opportunity.


diamondsetter
by Member on Jun. 4, 2012 at 10:56 AM
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Of course it is...racism is the reason EVERYTHING bad happens to people who aren't white...duh :P

BTW, I am entirely joking, but I think too many people use "oh its racist!" as a crutch or excuse. I'm not saying it doesn't happen.
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shannonnigans
by Platinum Member on Jun. 4, 2012 at 10:56 AM
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Just so we're clear on who we're dealing with here, mom2b has already made quite a splash in the subject of race - on one of the threads re Trayvon Martin's death, she celebrates the fact that "another hood rat is off the streets.". Quote available upon request.
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romalove
by Roma on Jun. 4, 2012 at 10:57 AM
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Quoting krysstizzle:

Question: do you think someone born upper-middle class in the suburbs has the same opportunities as someone born into deep poverty? Education opportunities, nutrition, extracurriculars, access to resources, etc?

Quoting Judesmom333:

No. Racism has nothing to do with poverty. Everyone is entitled to equal opportunity.

 

 Expectation.  Seeing what "the norm" is for you if you live in the suburbs and are middle class, everyone goes to college and gets a good job and buys a house, that's what you see and that's what you internalize as normal and what you are going to do.

It is hard to look at someone else's "normal" and internalize it to be your normal too.

I took race out of this because I think it rings true across racial backgrounds.  There are poor of all races, living in places where there isn't much opportunity, bad education, no expectation of "more" and they become stuck.

smalltowngal
by Platinum Member on Jun. 4, 2012 at 10:57 AM

I think it's partially a generational issues. There is a big difference between only being 24 and being a black baby boomer. That generation grew up too scared to vote, watched their churches set on fire and having to have police escorts to attend school. I think a lot of that generation was scared to even try. My MIL didn't even know that educated black people existed until she went to college. 

Quoting Mommy2BeAmy:

Oh please what a bullshit.

My Dh came to this country from middle east you know the racial slurs out there of being Muslim and so on. My Dh didn even have a family Here he had no one and now at 24 he has accomplished more then what most people accomplish at the age of 50. There were times my Dh even slept in his car so he didn't have the extra expenses so he could save as much as possible get out of being poor and open business of his own. He was at rock bottom with no home and guess what by the grace of God he owns many businesses and is flourishing. So don't give me this bullshit they are are more poor then whites because of racism, they have opportunities if statistics shows they are in more poverty then whites then maybe they should do a study on how many of them are trying to dig themselves out of that hole instead of meddling in it.


Quoting krysstizzle:

Is it nice living with rose colored glasses attached to your face? 

When a group of people has to do twice or three times the amount of work than another group, is it any wonder that not many climb out?




Judesmom333
by on Jun. 4, 2012 at 10:58 AM

I feel with plenty od love and the right guidence you will give your child the chance to succeed in life and become whatever they want to be regardless of how much  money someone has.

Quoting krysstizzle:

Question: do you think someone born upper-middle class in the suburbs has the same opportunities as someone born into deep poverty? Education opportunities, nutrition, extracurriculars, access to resources, etc?

Quoting Judesmom333:

No. Racism has nothing to do with poverty. Everyone is entitled to equal opportunity.



futureshock
by Ruby Member on Jun. 4, 2012 at 10:59 AM


Quoting SunshneDaydream:

Because poverty is a cycle that is very hard to break.  When blacks were freed after the civil war, they had nothing, and racism was the reason they couldn't get good jobs or educations for decades.  That racism and discrimination has only tapered off in recent decades and it's very difficult for the majority of poor people (regardless of race) to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.  Alot of black people today have grandparents who were poor because of discrimination in the pre-civil rights movement days.  They didn't have the resources to send their children to college, so they didn't have the opportunities for success either, and the cycle continues.  Along those same lines, I think alot of it has to do with what you grow up with being the norm, being comfortable with what you have and not feeling the need to strive for anything better.  Does that make sense?  It's very hard to put it into words without sounding insulting, so I'm SO SORRY if anything was offensive!  Just generalizing!

It makes sense but I don't know why you ended your post with so much apologizing, I didn't read anything offensive or written with ill intent in it.


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Mommy2BeAmy
by Silver Member on Jun. 4, 2012 at 11:00 AM
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Let me ask you something-
You say they have to work 2-3 times harder--how many scholarships, grants and financial assistance is give to those with African American or black heritage even Latinos?? How many scholarships grants funds and financial services for the Caucasians or white of America? None but there are plenty catering to the black and Latino population, the one that you say has to generally work harder.

This country is what you make of it. If you have no responsibilities like my Dh did yes you can go very high from 0 and there are THOUSANDS if not MILLIONS of success stories. Maybe they have families to support, babies and sickly parents you don't know their story to say why they aren't out I poverty. There will be poverty in this world because sometimes there are too many to support in a household on limited salaries. You can't say it's racism. With all the advocate groups out there and people if that shit was to go on that blacks were being held back there would be such a storm in the country like you wouldn't believe.

This is people who have nothing better to do with their lives, they don't want to improve it so they say "it's because I'm black" or "it's because I'm (whatever)" and they use that as an acceptable excuse.
Is there racism in this country and discrimination in the workforce? Absolutely. But is it enough to push certain racial groups into poverty? No way


Quoting krysstizzle:

There are reasons why there are outliers. Because the majority do not make it that far, plain and simple, and the reasons are generally rooted in history.

I do wonder if you really think if everyone just tried hard enough, we wouldn't have anyone living in poverty. Is that what you think? 


Quoting Mommy2BeAmy:

Oh please what a bullshit.



My Dh came to this country from middle east you know the racial slurs out there of being Muslim and so on. My Dh didn even have a family Here he had no one and now at 24 he has accomplished more then what most people accomplish at the age of 50. There were times my Dh even slept in his car so he didn't have the extra expenses so he could save as much as possible get out of being poor and open business of his own. He was at rock bottom with no home and guess what by the grace of God he owns many businesses and is flourishing. So don't give me this bullshit they are are more poor then whites because of racism, they have opportunities if statistics shows they are in more poverty then whites then maybe they should do a study on how many of them are trying to dig themselves out of that hole instead of meddling in it.





Quoting krysstizzle:

Is it nice living with rose colored glasses attached to your face? 

When a group of people has to do twice or three times the amount of work than another group, is it any wonder that not many climb out?



Quoting Mommy2BeAmy:

No not at all. This is America where there is opportunity. People come here from other countries and start from nothing and become millionaires. Whoever is in poverty chooses to stay in that lifestyle instead of finding ways to get out, it's ridiculous to say "racism". Like racists have ability over the financials of the black community but some how one squeaked by and became president. Yeah...ok






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