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Thats what a teacher called a student when she forgot his name....i hope he said to her, "hey Bitch"...cuz he forgot her name.

http://www.wfsb.com/story/18727866/waterbury-teacher-allegedly-calls-student-black-boy


WATERBURY, CT (WFSB) -

Parents and the NAACP spoke out Thursday night during a Board of Education meeting in Waterbury after hearing a teacher referred to a student as a "black boy".

The math teacher, Kathleen Pyles, has been placed on paid administrative leave after accusations surfaced that she made the racist remark to the student.

However, many feel further action is needed against the teacher.

"It's not acceptable. I think they should let her go, we can't accept this from anybody," Helen Taylor said.

Parents felt if Pyles could not remember the student's name, there are several other ways she could have addressed him.

"She doesn't seem like a racist," said Wendaliz Hernandez. "She was nice."

Hernandez, an eighth grader at the school, was surprised to hear about the alleged comment, although she said she wouldn't like it if she was referred to by the color of her skin.

"I don't know what she said to him, but just don't be racist," she said.

Officials at the North End Middle School said a parent filed a complaint after learning of the incident.

"We wish to assure parents that we take this allegation very seriously," said Waterbury Public Schools COO Paul F. Guidone. "We do not tolerate or condone the claimed behavior from our staff, and if the allegation of making racist remarks is proven true, the district will take appropriate action."

North End Middle School officials said the teacher would remain on paid administrative leave pending the outcome of the investigation.

School officials said Pyles has only been at the school about a year and before that was in Kentucky.

Copyright 2012 WFSB (Meredith Corporation). All rights reserved.

by on Jun. 11, 2012 at 7:33 AM
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jewels5525
by Gold Member on Jun. 11, 2012 at 11:46 AM

FYI, the area that it happened in has a high minority population.  

Close by me.

Radarma
by "OneDar" on Jun. 11, 2012 at 12:08 PM
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Know what really stinks? Lemme tell ya...when there is a story about someone white getting beat to a pulp while the beaters laugh about "white girl bleeds a lot" people say that is not racism. 

But THIS is? LOL

SMDH Fools.

Arroree
by Ruby Member on Jun. 11, 2012 at 12:18 PM

The teacher was way out of line.

SunshneDaydream
by Silver Member on Jun. 11, 2012 at 12:22 PM

But describing someone as what they are isn't really racist.  Using a racial slur, or maybe even if she said it with disdain or disgust in her voice could be hateful, but the word "black" is not racist.  Is it?  Maybe I missed an update on what is PC these days...but like I said, it's certainly rude, unprofessional and insulting nonetheless. 

Quoting mommajen32:


Quoting SunshneDaydream:

I'm not sure I would call that "racism".  Rude?  Yes.  Unprofessional?  Insulting?  Definitely yes.  But it's not racist.  I mean, he is a black boy right?  Would it be racist to say "hey white boy"?  She didn't use a racial slur, I think it's a little inflammatory to jump on this woman as being a racist.  I'm not defending her actions, I just think the word "racist" is being used incorrectly.  It was certainly uncalled for though. 

If it were said by a black teacher, yes. Not cool. 


Anyanka
by Member on Jun. 11, 2012 at 12:33 PM
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so...he's NOT a black boy or he didn't know he was black?  I don't get why people are yelling racism. If she had called him a racial slur then I could understand people being upset but she didn't. He's black and he's a boy...neither of those are bad things.  I wouldn't get upset over a black person saying hey white girl. I'm white and I'm a girl...there's nothing offensive about it.


I literally LOL when I watched the news report. Of all the things going on in the world, they're wasting air time reporting about someone calling a black boy, a black boy.

Radarma
by "OneDar" on Jun. 11, 2012 at 12:35 PM
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 Yup, and reactions like those we see here are what keep the notion that the "race card" is overused, alive and well.

More and more, it seems that the word "black" is bad. Another fine example of a convoluted message being sent.

Meire
by Bronze Member on Jun. 11, 2012 at 12:50 PM
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Court of Appeals reverses itself, holding calling black men “boy” is racially offensive

Over a year after holding that a supervisor’s repeated reference to a black man as “boy” was not evidence of racial bias,  Ash v. Tyson Foods, 392 Fed.Appx. 817 (11th Cir., Aug. 17 2010), two judges on the United States Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit abruptly and grudgingly did an about face and decided that it was evidence of racial discrimination after all.  Ash v. Tyson Foods, 664 F.3d 883 (11th Cir. Dec. 15, 2011).  The decision came almost 15 years after the employment discrimination suit was filed.

As a result, John Hithon, who brought the suit with another Tyson employee, Anthony Ash, will receive an award of about $365,000 in damages because, as two juries found, he was denied promotion to a shift manager position because of his race.

Judges Edward E. Carnes and William Pryor finally accepted the jury verdict after the Court had repeatedly reversed two juries in Gadsden, Alabama that awarded Hithon over $1 million at each of two trials.   However, the Court still gave the biggest victory to Tyson Foods, striking down a $1 million award of punitive damages, saying the Tyson manager responsible for the discrimination was not high enough in Tyson’s corporate hierarchy for his actions to be attributed to the company.  In this way, huge corporations are protected from punitive damages, while small businesses with only a few employees is not.

The evidence presented by Mr. Hithon at his two trials showed he had significantly more poultry processing experience than the white person selected for the position. Evidence also showed the manager responsible for selecting someone for the position had referred to African-American employees as “boy.”  Anthony Ash testified that his supervisor said to him, “Boy, you better get going,” in the cafeteria during a lunch break.  “Everybody know being in the South, a white man says ‘boy’ to a black man, that’s an offensive word,” Ash testified.  Ash’s wife testified that she heard it and told the supervisor, “He’s not a boy. He’s a man.”  The supervisor walked away with a smirk on his face, she said.  Hithon testified that the supervisor once said, “Hey, boy,” to him as he was leaving a conference room.

At the first trial of the case, a federal jury awarded Hithon, who had worked at the chicken processing plant 13 years, $1.75 million.  The Court of Appeals reversed, holding that “boy” was evidence of discriminatory intent only “when modified by a racial classification like ‘black’ or ‘white”” and that discrimination could be established only by evidence so strong that it would “jump off the page and slap you in the face.”  Ash v. Tyson Foods, 129 Fed. Appx. 529, 536, (2005).

The United States Supreme Court summarily and unanimously reversed that decision, pointing out that use of the term “boy” is not “always benign” and “[t]he visual image of words jumping off the page to slap you (presumably a court) in the face is unhelpful and imprecise as an elaboration of the standard for inferring pretext from superior qualifications.”  Ash v. Tyson Foods, 546 U.S. 454, 456 (2006).

After the Supreme Court decision, another federal jury in Gadsden found discrimination and awarded Mr. Hithon $ 1.3 million.

In its 2010 decision reversing the second jury’s verdict, Judges Carnes and Pryor, two former employees of the Alabama Attorney General’s office, dismissed the supervisor’s use of “boy” as nothing more than “conversational,” and “ambiguous stray remarks.”  The third judge on the case, a visiting senior district judge from Ohio appointed by President Ronald Reagan, dissented, arguing that the verdict of jury should be respected and upheld.

Former Chief Judge U. W. Clemon

The opinion sparked outrage.   Former United States District U. W. Judge Clemon, one of only three black federal judges in Alabama’s history, told New York Times reporter Adam Liptak that he knew something about the “local custom and historical usage” of the word “boy,” having grown up in the segregated South.  “It’s the same as calling him a nigger,” said the retired judge.  Adam Liptak, Appeals Court in Atlanta Again Rejects Racial Discrimination ClaimN.Y. Times, Sept. 6, 2010, at A14.  See also the op-ed below.

In both of the last two opinions, Carnes and Pryor chastised the lawyer for the plaintiff for trying to elicit testimony comparing the use of “boy” to “nigger.”  Carnes and Pryor found it “highly improper” to inject such an “emotionally charged” word into a trial.   Judge Clemon said it was right on the mark.

“To me, it is really a throwback to the time when federal courts were completely hostile to civil rights,” said Clemon, now a private attorney. “It just appears to me that the judges who wrote that decision don’t know the realities of everyday life. What else is it supposed to mean when a white man calls a black man ‘boy’?” Clemon told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.  “All you have to do is pick up a dictionary, pull up Wikipedia, and both will indicate that the word “boy” can be used as a racial epithet; it’s racially derogatory,” Judge Clemon added on Public Radio International’s The Takeaway on Sept 7, 2010.

“It’s ridiculous to think that anyone in the court system, anyone who’s been to law school, would not understand this word – particularly in the South – was used to belittle African-Americans,” said the Rev. C.T. Vivian, a former leader of the  Southern Christian Leadership Conference.  Bill Rankin, Civil rights leaders condemn ruling on use of word ‘boy,‘ Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Nov. 1, 2010, page 1.

Clemon, Vivian and other pillars of the civil rights community filed a friend-of-the-court brief urging the full 12-member U.S. Court of Appeals to overrule the decision.  Theamicus brief argued that the decision by Carnes and Pryor that the use of “boy” was “conversational,” “non-racial” and a “stray remark” “does not stand the test of history, experience, reality, or the common social understanding of race relations in this country, particularly the South.”  The brief traced the history of the use of “boy” to insult and demean African Americans and states “[i]f not a proxy for ‘nigger,’ it is at the very least a close cousin.”

Other civil rights leaders on the brief included former Atlanta Mayor, Congressman and UN Ambassador Andrew Young; Dorothy Cotton, the Education Director for the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC) from 1960-68; Rev. Joseph E. Lowery, a founder and former president of SCLC; Rev. Fred L. Shuttlesworth, a founder of SCLC whose house was bombed in Birmingham during the civil rights struggles there.

After the Court did its about face in December, Judge Clemon commented, “The court now understands the unwillingness of black men to go back to being called ‘boy.’”  Adam Liptak,A Judicial About-Face, Grudging but Rare, In a Bias Case, N. Y. Times, Dec. 28, 2011.

Term ‘boy’ is proof of racial animus

Plaintiff can only hope U.S. Supreme Court will overrule the 11th Circuit for a second time

By STEPHEN BRIGHT, Special to the Daily Report
Fulton County Daily Report, August 25, 2010

The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals’ third ruling that a white supervisor calling black men “boy”— as in “Boy, you better get going” and “hey, boy”— is not evidence of racial animus was issued last week by Judges Edward E. Carnes and William H. Pryor Jr. in an unsigned, unpublished opinion.  Carnes and Pryor are white men and alumni of the Alabama attorney general’s office.

The third judge on the panel, a visiting senior district judge from Ohio appointed by President Ronald Reagan, dissented.  He would have upheld a jury verdict finding that Tyson Foods discriminated against a black man, John Hithon, in not promoting him to position as a shift manager at Tyson’s chicken processing plant in Gadsden, Ala., and awarding damages of more than $1 million to Hithon.

The extraordinary conclusion that there is nothing racial in calling black men “boy” was reached in two earlier decisions by panels that involved Carnes and two other white men on the court, Judges Joel F. Dubina, also from Alabama, and Stanley Marcus of Florida. The most recent opinion was the second time the 11th Circuit substituted its opinion for that of Alabama federal juries that awarded more than $1 million to Hithon for employment discrimination by Tyson Foods.  (Alyson M. Palmer provided an excellent report on the case in the Daily Report, “11th Circuit: Term ‘boy’ doesn’t prove race discrimination,” published Aug. 20.) The case is Ash v. Tyson Foods, 2010 WL 3244920 (11th Cir. No. 08-16135.)

The panel of Carnes, Dubina and Marcus originally held that “[w]hile the use of ‘boy’ when modified by a racial classification like ‘black’ or ‘white’ is evidence of discriminatory intent, the use of ‘boy’ alone is not evidence of discrimination.”  It also applied an absurdly demanding standard for establishing that the reason for promoting the white applicant over the black one was pretextual: The plaintiff must show “the disparity in qualifications is so apparent as virtually to jump off the page and slap you in the face.” Ash v. Tyson Foods, 129 Fed. Appx. 529, 536, 2005 U.S. App. LEXIS 7219 (2005).

The U.S. Supreme Court summarily and unanimously reversed both holdings.  Ash v. Tyson Foods, 546 U.S. 454, 456 (2006).   It made clear that use of the term “boy” is not “always benign” and “[t]he visual image of words jumping off the page to slap you (presumably a court) in the face is unhelpful and imprecise as an elaboration of the standard for inferring pretext from superior qualifications.”

Two years later the U.S. Supreme Court reviewed a decision of the Louisiana Supreme Court, in which that court had dismissed a claim of racial discrimination based on a prosecutor’s comparison of a black defendant with O.J. Simpson, saying that it was not an appeal to race because the prosecutor did not mention the race of either Simpson or the defendant.  During oral argument (I was representing the petitioner), Justice David Souter pointed to that part of the opinion and suggested to the lawyer for Louisiana that this did not appear to be “a critical mind at work.”  (The court reversed.  The case was Snyder v. Louisiana, 552 U.S. 472 (2008).)

But critical minds were at work at the 11th Circuit.  On remand from the Supreme Court, the original panel, in another per curiam opinion, still managed to conclude that the use of “boy” did not support an inference of racial animus and the evidence was insufficient to establish pretext.

They parsed away, as only good and dedicated lawyers can do, to isolate “boy” from history, context and the chicken processing plant where the slur was used.  The issue, they explained, was not whether the term was offensive to the two black men who were called “boy,” but what was in the white plant manager’s mind in using the word in addressing them.  From the cold record, the appellate judges discerned that the manager’s use of “boy” was only “conversational,” “ambiguous stray remarks.”

Moreover, addressing the black men as “boy” was not done in the “context of decisions at issue.”  In other words, employers can refer the black men who work for them as “boy” so long as they do not use the word during a promotion or hiring decision.  And, remarkably, the panel decided that it did not need to be slapped in the face to conclude that the evidence of comparative qualifications did not establish discrimination.  The court actually did not need a standard at all.  Ash v. Tyson Foods, 190 Fed. Appx. 924, 926, 2006 U.S. App. LEXIS 19750 (11th Cir. 2006).  In short, it parsed its way right around the Supreme Court’s opinion as if it were nothing more than a small speed bump on the road to getting back to its original result.

In last week’s opinion, Carnes and Pryor even had the arrogance to chastise the lawyer for the plaintiff for trying to elicit testimony comparing the use of “boy” to the racial slur “nigger.”  Carnes and Pryor found it “highly improper” to inject such an “emotionally charged” word into a trial, even as they played down the emotional charge of the word “boy.”  These two white judges, residing in their judicial palaces as far away from the lives of ordinary people as one can get, purport to know more about what it means when a white overseer calls an African-American man “boy” than do 24 Alabamians selected for two federal juries.

Alabama juries are not known for being generous in employment discrimination cases — or any other kind of discrimination cases. But Carnes and Pryor — and many of their colleagues — do not see the federal court as a place where businesses like Tyson Foods must answer for their discrimination against black people in promoting employees.

Mercifully, Judges Elbert Tuttle, Frank Johnson and John Minor Wisdom and many — although not all — of the other great members of the 11th and former 5th Circuit who did so much to advance civil rights are not alive to see this sad, sad day.

This march back to Jim Crow would surely be more difficult if there were more people of color on the federal bench.  About a quarter of the population of three states that make up the 11th Circuit are African Americans and Hispanics.  Yet there have been only two black judges on the 12-member 11th Circuit in its history, and they have served one at a time.  There is only one active African-American federal judge in all of Georgia today, Judge W. Louis Sands in the Middle District.  The Northern District of Georgia, which includes Atlanta and has three African Americans representing it in Congress, has no African American judges in active status at this time.

The 11-member court has had only two in its history, Horace T. Ward and Clarence Cooper.  Ward was appointed in 1979 and took senior status in 1994.  Cooper was appointed in 1994 and took senior status in 2009.  President Barack Obama has nominated Steve Jones, an African-American man, and Amy Totenberg, a white woman, for judgeships on the Northern District.  There are two other vacancies on the court without nominations.  There has never been an African-American woman on any federal district court in Georgia or the 11th Circuit.  Perhaps Obama will correct this with his remaining appointments to the Northern District.

In the meantime, Hithon, the victim of discrimination at Tyson Foods, and people who care about the federal courts enforcing the civil rights laws — and the way in which people are treated in the workplace and in society — must hope that the Supreme Court will grant review in Ash v. Tyson Foods and reverse the 11th Circuit for a second time.

Meire
by Bronze Member on Jun. 11, 2012 at 12:55 PM
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For those of you who really want to know what is offensive here it is It has been historically offensive to call a black man(wait for it) BOY. The reason for this is during slavery times it was used to demean black men. Any teacher knows this I am suprised you guys don't!  So of course a teacher saying hey black boy(not just BOY) would chafe! For those trying to learn more about culture do a web search on the word BOY and African Americans/Blacks...

tiffyhamm
by on Jun. 11, 2012 at 1:01 PM
Yup, sure does.

Quoting mommajen32:


Quoting futureshock:



Quote:

Kathleen Pyles was in the middle of a lesson when she called a student by the wrong name. When the student corrected the teacher, Pyles responded with “How about black boy? Go sit down black boy.”




Oh snap, that makes it even worse. 

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KblazeMomOf2
by Member on Jun. 11, 2012 at 1:04 PM
From the mouth of my SO (whos black) "well if hes black hes black. Nothing racist about calling someone what they are"
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