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First Lady Requires Photo ID for Her Book Signings; Voter ID Law-hating Media Fail to Note Obama Hypocrisy

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The Obama administration has done its best to oppose states from instituting new, stricter voter ID laws, complaining that many minority voters lack photo identification. But those same folks it wants voting in November are apparently not welcome anywhere near the First Lady's book signings. Something tells me that the same media outlets comparing voter ID laws to the Jim Crow Laws, however, won't see any hint of hypocrisy here, if they even report the story at all.

As stated on the blog Obama Foodorama:

 

On Friday, June 8th, those wishing to attend the event must purchase a copy of the First Lady's book at the location and leave it at the store, according to the employee. At the same time, customers must also submit their social security number and show an official photo ID (driver's license, passport) to a Secret Service agent, and they will be issued a wristband to the First Lady's event on June 12.( Emphasis added)

The liberal media, particularly Obama-boosting cable network MSNBC has done its best to attack voter ID laws as discriminatory at best and racist at worst.

Appearing on MSNBC's Now with Alex Wagner in March, former DNC Communications Director Karen Finney managed to connect the Trayvon Martin shooting to Voter ID laws.

In December MSNBC gave a platform to former NAACP chairman Julian Bond, who charged of voter ID laws that  "They are racist in intent and aimed at vulnerable people in our population."

President Obama and Attorney General Holder have spoken actively against requiring ID to be presented at polling places.  They've maintained this stance despite the fact that a recent Fox News poll reveals a full 70 percent of Americans believe voter ID laws are necessary to stop voter fraud. The poll shows that 52 percent of Democrats agree, as do 68 percent of women and 58 percent of Non-whites, both voting blocs that Democrats see as crucial to their electoral success.

 

by on Jun. 16, 2012 at 1:52 PM
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Ms.KitKat
by Platinum Member on Jun. 22, 2012 at 4:49 PM

Have you checked their documentation? How do you know they are illegally here in this country as opposed to non-US citizens ?

Quoting pvtjokerus:

Did I miss something?  We are not talking about people with a student visa.  We are talking about a college allowing ILLEGALS to pay less tuition vs. a legal person living outside of the state and having to pay more than the ILLEGALS. 

Quoting Ms.KitKat:

Do you not realize that people come to the USA on a student visa. Their intention is not immigrate. They have no intention of becoming citizens-they come to this country because this country has some of the best colleges and universitites for higher education. They are NOT illegal.

Gesh- what is it with the hatred and fear of "illegals" and those here on a student visa are not illegal. Why all the negative assumptions? There are also many here on a work visa.

Some chose to remain in the US and will go through the proper documentation-others chose to return to their home land.

And there are also US citizens who travel abroad TO OTHER COUNTRIES to study abroad on student visas. As well as US citizens who work abroad on work visas.

Mind you- these people are not voting. They are simply here to work/study.

Quoting pvtjokerus:

Have you seen what Colorado just came out with? I forget which college but apparently, there are three types of pricing for students.  In state student pays something like $5,000, out of state is around $17,000, while ILLEGALS pay 9ish (don't quote me on the figures).  Craziness with these illegals and trying to accommodate them for whatever reasons... 

Quoting Lizard_Lina:

He deported illegals when it was in his best interest to deport them. Now he's making laws to not only keep them here but give them more rights. It just depends on his constiuants. And as far as nobody can stop them, if they don't i.d. them and they get an unregistered paper balot or they get registered through public assistance or they get registered under a dead man's name or a child's name, there is no way to prove they are voting without earning the right to as a citizen. So as of right now they could say "I'm Joe Shmoe and I'm here to vote" and as long as there is a Joe Shmoe on the list, no one will stop them.


Quoting LauraKW:

 You do realize the current President has deported more illegals than the previous President, right?  And could you please explain the "nobody can stop them" statement?  Thanks.


Quoting Lizard_Lina:

Of course they would "waste their time". If there's a man in office who believes in benefitting them vs a man in office who believes in deporting them, don't you think they would make that effort? Especially since, as of right now, nobody can stop them?



Quoting Ms.KitKat:


and yet this concept completely escapes the comprehension of so many here.



Funny story and sad too: at my wedding reception years ago, my brother took it upon himself to play photographer. he took pictures of the REAL photographers, the DJ, the servers. THEN he went into the kitchen. Some of the workers couldn't run fast enough to avoid getting their picture taken. They were running away, knocking each other over to get away from the camera my brother was very innocently holding-just being a goof-ball. He recognized right away what was happening and apologized for scaring these people. and he had to reassure them over and over again that he was not from the government and he was not going to report them.



So REALLY? you seriously think illegal immigrants are lining up to fraudulently cast their vote in a public election?




 I wonder if the real issue here is people's fear and or hatred of illegal immigrants as well as all POC and not a matter of photo id.



Quoting JonJon:



It's funny as all get out that people believe people who illegally sneak into the country would actually bother with voting when most of the people born and raised here don't bother!  LOL! 



The illegals don't care who sits in the President's seat on Air Force One as long as they can go unnoticed!  They like to keep a low profile and stay anonymous; going to the polling places just gives them a face! They wouldn't risk exposure to do something that does not immediately, personally benefit them.



Think, people, THINK!



Quoting pvtjokerus:



Sure.  But based on our immigration problem, it should be common sense that everyone brings a proper form of I.D. to these voting booths.



Quoting Happymamax2:



Quoting pvtjokerus:



It's a persons right to vote if they are a us citizen. Period.


 






 



 


 

 

 


JonJon
by Ruby Member on Jun. 22, 2012 at 6:36 PM

Weren't we talking about voting and whether illegals make it a point to go to the polls to vote though they are not registered?  You say illegals make it a point to vote in MANY southern states.  Texas is a pretty good place to start but you wouldn't have written that incendiary statement without being able to back it up so you don't sound like an intolerant, bigoted dweeb, now would you?  I wouldn't want anyone to think that of you, either, so post a link to proof that this happened in one particular election in a specific state.  You didn't even say one city; you make it seem as if this is prevalent in southern states.  Tell what you know, if you know anything.

If you want to talk about whether they are collecting welfare, there are MANY posts out there where you can slip that one in.

Quoting pvtjokerus:

Sorry JonJon, not going to do your research.  But if you care to look it up start off in Texas.  Also, look into Odessa where you see many illegals apply for their "benefits", you know the ones,that want to just "hide" and not be noticed.  LOL....JJ sometimes you just crack me up with your....nevermind....

Quoting JonJon:

I invite you, Candlegal and anyone else to post one or more links to an article on a reputable site that supports what you've just written; a really detailed article saying where this happened, who did it and how they did it and why they cared enough who is sitting in the Oval office to risk deportation to vote in elections. 

I've always chalked that ridiculous, outlandish false accusation up to the usual dirty tricks of a party that has historically downplayed, dismissed and underestimated the intelligence of the average American.

Quoting pvtjokerus:

JonJon, while this may be the case in SOME AREAS it is not the case in many of the southern states.  One example is the case in southern Texas where it was learned that illegals were voting in the elections. And yes, many immigrants care who is sitting in the Oval office.  To not think this is the case is well, let's just say that one has to have some knowledge of this before lecturing others.

Quoting JonJon:

It's funny as all get out that people believe people who illegally sneak into the country would actually bother with voting when most of the people born and raised here don't bother!  LOL! 

The illegals don't care who sits in the President's seat on Air Force One as long as they can go unnoticed!  They like to keep a low profile and stay anonymous; going to the polling places just gives them a face! They wouldn't risk exposure to do something that does not immediately, personally benefit them.

Think, people, THINK!

Quoting pvtjokerus:

Sure.  But based on our immigration problem, it should be common sense that everyone brings a proper form of I.D. to these voting booths.

Quoting Happymamax2:

Quoting pvtjokerus:



It's a persons right to vote if they are a us citizen. Period.







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JonJon
by Ruby Member on Jun. 22, 2012 at 8:11 PM
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Quoting fireangel5:


Quoting Tanya93:

It's standard procedure for the wife of the President.


They have no control over the rules of the Secret Service who are supposed to give their lives to protect her.

The point is, if people can have an ID and MUST have an ID in order to get a book signed, why cant they have an ID in order to vote?

That's the irony of comparing people who can't afford to pay $70 for all the documentation they'd need to get voter's registration IDs in some of those states to people who can afford $17.85 to $30.00 for a book, no matter who writes it.

The point is how much ID the states want people to show in order to issue them new pictured voter's registration I.D. cards.  You didn't see my post where a 96 year old woman was required to show five pieces of I.D., including her marriage license before the state of Tennessee would let her vote? 

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EireLass
by Ruby Member on Jun. 22, 2012 at 9:27 PM

You were the one who stated emphatically - by capitalizing - that they weren't. Yet, you didn't even know who they were.

But really....I don't know for sure. There's no reason for them not to be registered. They both have Social Security licenses. One has a drivers license. They both have free health care. They both live in government subsidized housing. They both recieve public assistance. What's left?

You don't have to subscribe to news to read it online. I don't anyway.

Quoting Ms.KitKat:

I don't subscibe to the Boston Globe.

How do you know they are registered voters? 

Quoting EireLass:

You can find any story about them in the Boston Globe newspaper.

How do you know they are not registered voters?

Quoting Ms.KitKat:

oh- you mean half-siblings. I tried googling and didn't find anything.Could you please link a reputable source (as in NOT wiki) However- these individuals are NOT registered voters.regardless of what government assistance they may or may not receive due to eligibility- they are not eligible to vote and therefore  they can not have the right to vote.

Quoting EireLass:

Yes, his fathers sister and brother. They don't live together, but they both live in MA. The brother is married, the sister is not. One is mid 50's, one is mid 60's. They came here illegally. The guy works, has a drivers license, has been arrested for multiple DUI's. Government agency: Registry of Motor Vehicles....and of course the courts, for his DUI's. He is still illegal, has not left, although he has an order of deportation against him. The woman lives in government housing, collects disability, recieves welfare, food stamps, etc. There are all her government agencies. She has an order of deportation against her. They know where both of them live, they're not in hiding. They are ILLEGAL....they are not US Citizens.

Quoting Ms.KitKat:

IDK about Pres. Obama's family tree. You say this aunt and uncle sibling group are illegal immigrants? or they are non-US citizens? and yet they have registered to vote in US public elections? IDK what "various things only gotten through government agencies" means. BTW: thanks for answering my question.

Quoting EireLass:

I should have said his aunt & uncle (not married, siblings I believe), who live in MA. They both had deportation orders, but basically said "f-you". Went on to apply (and recieve) various things only gotten through government agencies. What was your question? About a fear/hatred of illegal immigrants? What about it. I didn't answer, as I thought you were asking someone else. No, I don't have fear or hatred for them.

Quoting Ms.KitKat:

ok- I'll take the bait- "sort of like Obama's aunt?" what? Please finish your question and then how about you answer mine. I have asked it at least 2 times here now. If you try to answer mine in an honest way- I will try and do the same for your question. 

Quoting EireLass:

Sort of like Obama's aunt?

Quoting Ms.KitKat:

Please tell me that your still seriously do not get it. An illegal immigrant will be deported if they are caught so seriously WTF would an illegal immigrant go to a governemnt office to register to vote much less to fraud the government in submitting false registration documents and then go to the polling place to cast said vote. You might have the time to think this sh!t up but an illegal immigrant is trying to make money to send back to his/her family and trying equally hard to NOT GET DEPORTED.  so, I ask again: is the REAL issue hatred/fear of the illegal immigrant?

Quoting Lizard_Lina:

Of course they would "waste their time". If there's a man in office who believes in benefitting them vs a man in office who believes in deporting them, don't you think they would make that effort? Especially since, as of right now, nobody can stop them?
Quoting Ms.KitKat:

and yet this concept completely escapes the comprehension of so many here. unny story and sad too: at my wedding reception years ago, my brother took it upon himself to play photographer. he took pictures of the REAL photographers, the DJ, the servers. THEN he went into the kitchen. Some of the workers couldn't run fast enough to avoid getting their picture taken. They were running away, knocking each other over to get away from the camera my brother was very innocently holding-just being a goof-ball. He recognized right away what was happening and apologized for scaring these people. and he had to reassure them over and over again that he was not from the government and he was not going to report them. o REALLY? you seriously think illegal immigrants are lining up to fraudulently cast their vote in a public election? I wonder if the real issue here is people's fear and or hatred of illegal immigrants as well as all POC and not a matter of photo id.

Quoting JonJon:

It's funny as all get out that people believe people who illegally sneak into the country would actually bother with voting when most of the people born and raised here don't bother!  LOL! The illegals don't care who sits in the President's seat on Air Force One as long as they can go unnoticed!  They like to keep a low profile and stay anonymous; going to the polling places just gives them a face! They wouldn't risk exposure to do something that does not immediately, personally benefit them. Think, people, THINK!

Quoting pvtjokerus:

Sure.  But based on our immigration problem, it should be common sense that everyone brings a proper form of I.D. to these voting booths.

Quoting Happymamax2:
Quoting pvtjokerus:
It's a persons right to vote if they are a us citizen. Period.


Ms.KitKat
by Platinum Member on Jun. 22, 2012 at 10:10 PM
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And to be registered voters, they must be US citizens. I am getting dizzy going around in circles constantly. So again, any allegeded fraud that may or may not be committed will take place at the time of registration. Havng a photo id at the time of voting will do nothing to stop the potential fraud since it had already alledgedly occured  during the registeration process. Then your focus needs to be on registration.

Quoting EireLass:

You were the one who stated emphatically - by capitalizing - that they weren't. Yet, you didn't even know who they were.

But really....I don't know for sure. There's no reason for them not to be registered. They both have Social Security licenses. One has a drivers license. They both have free health care. They both live in government subsidized housing. They both recieve public assistance. What's left?

You don't have to subscribe to news to read it online. I don't anyway.

Quoting Ms.KitKat:

I don't subscibe to the Boston Globe.

How do you know they are registered voters? 

Quoting EireLass:

You can find any story about them in the Boston Globe newspaper.

How do you know they are not registered voters?

Quoting Ms.KitKat:

oh- you mean half-siblings. I tried googling and didn't find anything.Could you please link a reputable source (as in NOT wiki) However- these individuals are NOT registered voters.regardless of what government assistance they may or may not receive due to eligibility- they are not eligible to vote and therefore  they can not have the right to vote.

Quoting EireLass:

Yes, his fathers sister and brother. They don't live together, but they both live in MA. The brother is married, the sister is not. One is mid 50's, one is mid 60's. They came here illegally. The guy works, has a drivers license, has been arrested for multiple DUI's. Government agency: Registry of Motor Vehicles....and of course the courts, for his DUI's. He is still illegal, has not left, although he has an order of deportation against him. The woman lives in government housing, collects disability, recieves welfare, food stamps, etc. There are all her government agencies. She has an order of deportation against her. They know where both of them live, they're not in hiding. They are ILLEGAL....they are not US Citizens.

Quoting Ms.KitKat:

IDK about Pres. Obama's family tree. You say this aunt and uncle sibling group are illegal immigrants? or they are non-US citizens? and yet they have registered to vote in US public elections? IDK what "various things only gotten through government agencies" means. BTW: thanks for answering my question.

Quoting EireLass:

I should have said his aunt & uncle (not married, siblings I believe), who live in MA. They both had deportation orders, but basically said "f-you". Went on to apply (and recieve) various things only gotten through government agencies. What was your question? About a fear/hatred of illegal immigrants? What about it. I didn't answer, as I thought you were asking someone else. No, I don't have fear or hatred for them.

Quoting Ms.KitKat:

ok- I'll take the bait- "sort of like Obama's aunt?" what? Please finish your question and then how about you answer mine. I have asked it at least 2 times here now. If you try to answer mine in an honest way- I will try and do the same for your question. 

Quoting EireLass:

Sort of like Obama's aunt?

Quoting Ms.KitKat:

Please tell me that your still seriously do not get it. An illegal immigrant will be deported if they are caught so seriously WTF would an illegal immigrant go to a governemnt office to register to vote much less to fraud the government in submitting false registration documents and then go to the polling place to cast said vote. You might have the time to think this sh!t up but an illegal immigrant is trying to make money to send back to his/her family and trying equally hard to NOT GET DEPORTED.  so, I ask again: is the REAL issue hatred/fear of the illegal immigrant?

Quoting Lizard_Lina:

Of course they would "waste their time". If there's a man in office who believes in benefitting them vs a man in office who believes in deporting them, don't you think they would make that effort? Especially since, as of right now, nobody can stop them?
Quoting Ms.KitKat:

and yet this concept completely escapes the comprehension of so many here. unny story and sad too: at my wedding reception years ago, my brother took it upon himself to play photographer. he took pictures of the REAL photographers, the DJ, the servers. THEN he went into the kitchen. Some of the workers couldn't run fast enough to avoid getting their picture taken. They were running away, knocking each other over to get away from the camera my brother was very innocently holding-just being a goof-ball. He recognized right away what was happening and apologized for scaring these people. and he had to reassure them over and over again that he was not from the government and he was not going to report them. o REALLY? you seriously think illegal immigrants are lining up to fraudulently cast their vote in a public election? I wonder if the real issue here is people's fear and or hatred of illegal immigrants as well as all POC and not a matter of photo id.

Quoting JonJon:

It's funny as all get out that people believe people who illegally sneak into the country would actually bother with voting when most of the people born and raised here don't bother!  LOL! The illegals don't care who sits in the President's seat on Air Force One as long as they can go unnoticed!  They like to keep a low profile and stay anonymous; going to the polling places just gives them a face! They wouldn't risk exposure to do something that does not immediately, personally benefit them. Think, people, THINK!

Quoting pvtjokerus:

Sure.  But based on our immigration problem, it should be common sense that everyone brings a proper form of I.D. to these voting booths.

Quoting Happymamax2:
Quoting pvtjokerus:
It's a persons right to vote if they are a us citizen. Period.



_Kissy_
by on Jun. 22, 2012 at 10:20 PM
So did every other first lady before her.
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EireLass
by Ruby Member on Jun. 22, 2012 at 10:35 PM

My SO just registered here, no ID necessary. They asked for something with his address on it, so he brought in an electric bill. You can also register here (by doing that) on voting day, and turn around in the hallway, go into the curtained booth and vote.

So my thought with these 2, that have ordered of deportation standing for the past 15+ years, recieved his license back after numerous DUI's, have SS#'s, etc etc etc.....I'm assuming they vote. They have alot of what they have, thanks to 'mini-Obama' Deval Patrick. If all they have to show is a utility bill, they're all set. If anyone raises an eyebrow, they only have to call Deval.

Quoting Ms.KitKat:

And to be registered voters, they must be US citizens. I am getting dizzy going around in circles constantly. So again, any allegeded fraud that may or may not be committed will take place at the time of registration. Havng a photo id at the time of voting will do nothing to stop the potential fraud since it had already alledgedly occured  during the registeration process. Then your focus needs to be on registration.

Quoting EireLass:

You were the one who stated emphatically - by capitalizing - that they weren't. Yet, you didn't even know who they were. But really....I don't know for sure. There's no reason for them not to be registered. They both have Social Security licenses. One has a drivers license. They both have free health care. They both live in government subsidized housing. They both recieve public assistance. What's left? You don't have to subscribe to news to read it online. I don't anyway.

Quoting Ms.KitKat:

I don't subscibe to the Boston Globe. How do you know they are registered voters? 

Quoting EireLass:

You can find any story about them in the Boston Globe newspaper. How do you know they are not registered voters?

Quoting Ms.KitKat:

oh- you mean half-siblings. I tried googling and didn't find anything.Could you please link a reputable source (as in NOT wiki) However- these individuals are NOT registered voters.regardless of what government assistance they may or may not receive due to eligibility- they are not eligible to vote and therefore  they can not have the right to vote.

Quoting EireLass:

Yes, his fathers sister and brother. They don't live together, but they both live in MA. The brother is married, the sister is not. One is mid 50's, one is mid 60's. They came here illegally. The guy works, has a drivers license, has been arrested for multiple DUI's. Government agency: Registry of Motor Vehicles....and of course the courts, for his DUI's. He is still illegal, has not left, although he has an order of deportation against him. The woman lives in government housing, collects disability, recieves welfare, food stamps, etc. There are all her government agencies. She has an order of deportation against her. They know where both of them live, they're not in hiding. They are ILLEGAL....they are not US Citizens.

Quoting Ms.KitKat:

IDK about Pres. Obama's family tree. You say this aunt and uncle sibling group are illegal immigrants? or they are non-US citizens? and yet they have registered to vote in US public elections? IDK what "various things only gotten through government agencies" means. BTW: thanks for answering my question.

Quoting EireLass:

I should have said his aunt & uncle (not married, siblings I believe), who live in MA. They both had deportation orders, but basically said "f-you". Went on to apply (and recieve) various things only gotten through government agencies. What was your question? About a fear/hatred of illegal immigrants? What about it. I didn't answer, as I thought you were asking someone else. No, I don't have fear or hatred for them.

Quoting Ms.KitKat:

ok- I'll take the bait- "sort of like Obama's aunt?" what? Please finish your question and then how about you answer mine. I have asked it at least 2 times here now. If you try to answer mine in an honest way- I will try and do the same for your question. 

Quoting EireLass:

Sort of like Obama's aunt?

Quoting Ms.KitKat:

Please tell me that your still seriously do not get it. An illegal immigrant will be deported if they are caught so seriously WTF would an illegal immigrant go to a governemnt office to register to vote much less to fraud the government in submitting false registration documents and then go to the polling place to cast said vote. You might have the time to think this sh!t up but an illegal immigrant is trying to make money to send back to his/her family and trying equally hard to NOT GET DEPORTED.  so, I ask again: is the REAL issue hatred/fear of the illegal immigrant?

Quoting Lizard_Lina:

Of course they would "waste their time". If there's a man in office who believes in benefitting them vs a man in office who believes in deporting them, don't you think they would make that effort? Especially since, as of right now, nobody can stop them?
Quoting Ms.KitKat:

and yet this concept completely escapes the comprehension of so many here. unny story and sad too: at my wedding reception years ago, my brother took it upon himself to play photographer. he took pictures of the REAL photographers, the DJ, the servers. THEN he went into the kitchen. Some of the workers couldn't run fast enough to avoid getting their picture taken. They were running away, knocking each other over to get away from the camera my brother was very innocently holding-just being a goof-ball. He recognized right away what was happening and apologized for scaring these people. and he had to reassure them over and over again that he was not from the government and he was not going to report them. o REALLY? you seriously think illegal immigrants are lining up to fraudulently cast their vote in a public election? I wonder if the real issue here is people's fear and or hatred of illegal immigrants as well as all POC and not a matter of photo id.

Quoting JonJon:

It's funny as all get out that people believe people who illegally sneak into the country would actually bother with voting when most of the people born and raised here don't bother!  LOL! The illegals don't care who sits in the President's seat on Air Force One as long as they can go unnoticed!  They like to keep a low profile and stay anonymous; going to the polling places just gives them a face! They wouldn't risk exposure to do something that does not immediately, personally benefit them. Think, people, THINK!

Quoting pvtjokerus:

Sure.  But based on our immigration problem, it should be common sense that everyone brings a proper form of I.D. to these voting booths.

Quoting Happymamax2:
Quoting pvtjokerus:
It's a persons right to vote if they are a us citizen. Period.


Ms.KitKat
by Platinum Member on Jun. 22, 2012 at 11:03 PM

why don't you join me over on the "Death" thread? It really is a hoot! I'm getting bored with this already and I think canglegal has enough points on her op anyway.baking Cookies? fresh baked!

Quoting EireLass:

My SO just registered here, no ID necessary. They asked for something with his address on it, so he brought in an electric bill. You can also register here (by doing that) on voting day, and turn around in the hallway, go into the curtained booth and vote.

So my thought with these 2, that have ordered of deportation standing for the past 15+ years, recieved his license back after numerous DUI's, have SS#'s, etc etc etc.....I'm assuming they vote. They have alot of what they have, thanks to 'mini-Obama' Deval Patrick. If all they have to show is a utility bill, they're all set. If anyone raises an eyebrow, they only have to call Deval.

Quoting Ms.KitKat:

And to be registered voters, they must be US citizens. I am getting dizzy going around in circles constantly. So again, any allegeded fraud that may or may not be committed will take place at the time of registration. Havng a photo id at the time of voting will do nothing to stop the potential fraud since it had already alledgedly occured  during the registeration process. Then your focus needs to be on registration.

Quoting EireLass:

You were the one who stated emphatically - by capitalizing - that they weren't. Yet, you didn't even know who they were. But really....I don't know for sure. There's no reason for them not to be registered. They both have Social Security licenses. One has a drivers license. They both have free health care. They both live in government subsidized housing. They both recieve public assistance. What's left? You don't have to subscribe to news to read it online. I don't anyway.

Quoting Ms.KitKat:

I don't subscibe to the Boston Globe. How do you know they are registered voters? 

Quoting EireLass:

You can find any story about them in the Boston Globe newspaper. How do you know they are not registered voters?

Quoting Ms.KitKat:

oh- you mean half-siblings. I tried googling and didn't find anything.Could you please link a reputable source (as in NOT wiki) However- these individuals are NOT registered voters.regardless of what government assistance they may or may not receive due to eligibility- they are not eligible to vote and therefore  they can not have the right to vote.

Quoting EireLass:

Yes, his fathers sister and brother. They don't live together, but they both live in MA. The brother is married, the sister is not. One is mid 50's, one is mid 60's. They came here illegally. The guy works, has a drivers license, has been arrested for multiple DUI's. Government agency: Registry of Motor Vehicles....and of course the courts, for his DUI's. He is still illegal, has not left, although he has an order of deportation against him. The woman lives in government housing, collects disability, recieves welfare, food stamps, etc. There are all her government agencies. She has an order of deportation against her. They know where both of them live, they're not in hiding. They are ILLEGAL....they are not US Citizens.

Quoting Ms.KitKat:

IDK about Pres. Obama's family tree. You say this aunt and uncle sibling group are illegal immigrants? or they are non-US citizens? and yet they have registered to vote in US public elections? IDK what "various things only gotten through government agencies" means. BTW: thanks for answering my question.

Quoting EireLass:

I should have said his aunt & uncle (not married, siblings I believe), who live in MA. They both had deportation orders, but basically said "f-you". Went on to apply (and recieve) various things only gotten through government agencies. What was your question? About a fear/hatred of illegal immigrants? What about it. I didn't answer, as I thought you were asking someone else. No, I don't have fear or hatred for them.

Quoting Ms.KitKat:

ok- I'll take the bait- "sort of like Obama's aunt?" what? Please finish your question and then how about you answer mine. I have asked it at least 2 times here now. If you try to answer mine in an honest way- I will try and do the same for your question. 

Quoting EireLass:

Sort of like Obama's aunt?

Quoting Ms.KitKat:

Please tell me that your still seriously do not get it. An illegal immigrant will be deported if they are caught so seriously WTF would an illegal immigrant go to a governemnt office to register to vote much less to fraud the government in submitting false registration documents and then go to the polling place to cast said vote. You might have the time to think this sh!t up but an illegal immigrant is trying to make money to send back to his/her family and trying equally hard to NOT GET DEPORTED.  so, I ask again: is the REAL issue hatred/fear of the illegal immigrant?

Quoting Lizard_Lina:

Of course they would "waste their time". If there's a man in office who believes in benefitting them vs a man in office who believes in deporting them, don't you think they would make that effort? Especially since, as of right now, nobody can stop them?
Quoting Ms.KitKat:

and yet this concept completely escapes the comprehension of so many here. unny story and sad too: at my wedding reception years ago, my brother took it upon himself to play photographer. he took pictures of the REAL photographers, the DJ, the servers. THEN he went into the kitchen. Some of the workers couldn't run fast enough to avoid getting their picture taken. They were running away, knocking each other over to get away from the camera my brother was very innocently holding-just being a goof-ball. He recognized right away what was happening and apologized for scaring these people. and he had to reassure them over and over again that he was not from the government and he was not going to report them. o REALLY? you seriously think illegal immigrants are lining up to fraudulently cast their vote in a public election? I wonder if the real issue here is people's fear and or hatred of illegal immigrants as well as all POC and not a matter of photo id.

Quoting JonJon:

It's funny as all get out that people believe people who illegally sneak into the country would actually bother with voting when most of the people born and raised here don't bother!  LOL! The illegals don't care who sits in the President's seat on Air Force One as long as they can go unnoticed!  They like to keep a low profile and stay anonymous; going to the polling places just gives them a face! They wouldn't risk exposure to do something that does not immediately, personally benefit them. Think, people, THINK!

Quoting pvtjokerus:

Sure.  But based on our immigration problem, it should be common sense that everyone brings a proper form of I.D. to these voting booths.

Quoting Happymamax2:
Quoting pvtjokerus:
It's a persons right to vote if they are a us citizen. Period.



pvtjokerus
by Platinum Member on Jun. 24, 2012 at 4:39 PM

JJ, I strongly suggest YOU do not go down the road of talking about "being a bigoted dweeb." I pointed you in the right direction it is up to you to sort the rest out.  And JJ, you know damn well, if I didn't have some knowledge on the subject then I wouldn't have CHALLENGED YOU on the subject.

Quoting JonJon:

Weren't we talking about voting and whether illegals make it a point to go to the polls to vote though they are not registered?  You say illegals make it a point to vote in MANY southern states.  Texas is a pretty good place to start but you wouldn't have written that incendiary statement without being able to back it up so you don't sound like an intolerant, bigoted dweeb, now would you?  I wouldn't want anyone to think that of you, either, so post a link to proof that this happened in one particular election in a specific state.  You didn't even say one city; you make it seem as if this is prevalent in southern states.  Tell what you know, if you know anything.

If you want to talk about whether they are collecting welfare, there are MANY posts out there where you can slip that one in.

Quoting pvtjokerus:

Sorry JonJon, not going to do your research.  But if you care to look it up start off in Texas.  Also, look into Odessa where you see many illegals apply for their "benefits", you know the ones,that want to just "hide" and not be noticed.  LOL....JJ sometimes you just crack me up with your....nevermind....

Quoting JonJon:

I invite you, Candlegal and anyone else to post one or more links to an article on a reputable site that supports what you've just written; a really detailed article saying where this happened, who did it and how they did it and why they cared enough who is sitting in the Oval office to risk deportation to vote in elections. 

I've always chalked that ridiculous, outlandish false accusation up to the usual dirty tricks of a party that has historically downplayed, dismissed and underestimated the intelligence of the average American.

Quoting pvtjokerus:

JonJon, while this may be the case in SOME AREAS it is not the case in many of the southern states.  One example is the case in southern Texas where it was learned that illegals were voting in the elections. And yes, many immigrants care who is sitting in the Oval office.  To not think this is the case is well, let's just say that one has to have some knowledge of this before lecturing others.

Quoting JonJon:

It's funny as all get out that people believe people who illegally sneak into the country would actually bother with voting when most of the people born and raised here don't bother!  LOL! 

The illegals don't care who sits in the President's seat on Air Force One as long as they can go unnoticed!  They like to keep a low profile and stay anonymous; going to the polling places just gives them a face! They wouldn't risk exposure to do something that does not immediately, personally benefit them.

Think, people, THINK!

Quoting pvtjokerus:

Sure.  But based on our immigration problem, it should be common sense that everyone brings a proper form of I.D. to these voting booths.

Quoting Happymamax2:

Quoting pvtjokerus:



It's a persons right to vote if they are a us citizen. Period.

 


 


 



pvtjokerus
by Platinum Member on Jun. 24, 2012 at 4:47 PM

No, I think that you are misunderstanding what we are talking about.  We are not talking about non-US citizens such as students that come to the U.S. with a school Visa. We are talking about illegal immigrants that have come to the state illegally, without ANY Visas.  The ones with a school visa is a total different area and their intuition cost was not mentioned below per se.

And no, I have not checked the illegals' documentation in Colorado.

Quoting Ms.KitKat:

Have you checked their documentation? How do you know they are illegally here in this country as opposed to non-US citizens ?

Quoting pvtjokerus:

Did I miss something?  We are not talking about people with a student visa.  We are talking about a college allowing ILLEGALS to pay less tuition vs. a legal person living outside of the state and having to pay more than the ILLEGALS. 

Quoting Ms.KitKat:

Do you not realize that people come to the USA on a student visa. Their intention is not immigrate. They have no intention of becoming citizens-they come to this country because this country has some of the best colleges and universitites for higher education. They are NOT illegal.

Gesh- what is it with the hatred and fear of "illegals" and those here on a student visa are not illegal. Why all the negative assumptions? There are also many here on a work visa.

Some chose to remain in the US and will go through the proper documentation-others chose to return to their home land.

And there are also US citizens who travel abroad TO OTHER COUNTRIES to study abroad on student visas. As well as US citizens who work abroad on work visas.

Mind you- these people are not voting. They are simply here to work/study.

Quoting pvtjokerus:

Have you seen what Colorado just came out with? I forget which college but apparently, there are three types of pricing for students.  In state student pays something like $5,000, out of state is around $17,000, while ILLEGALS pay 9ish (don't quote me on the figures).  Craziness with these illegals and trying to accommodate them for whatever reasons... 

Quoting Lizard_Lina:

He deported illegals when it was in his best interest to deport them. Now he's making laws to not only keep them here but give them more rights. It just depends on his constiuants. And as far as nobody can stop them, if they don't i.d. them and they get an unregistered paper balot or they get registered through public assistance or they get registered under a dead man's name or a child's name, there is no way to prove they are voting without earning the right to as a citizen. So as of right now they could say "I'm Joe Shmoe and I'm here to vote" and as long as there is a Joe Shmoe on the list, no one will stop them.


Quoting LauraKW:

 You do realize the current President has deported more illegals than the previous President, right?  And could you please explain the "nobody can stop them" statement?  Thanks.


Quoting Lizard_Lina:

Of course they would "waste their time". If there's a man in office who believes in benefitting them vs a man in office who believes in deporting them, don't you think they would make that effort? Especially since, as of right now, nobody can stop them?



Quoting Ms.KitKat:


and yet this concept completely escapes the comprehension of so many here.



Funny story and sad too: at my wedding reception years ago, my brother took it upon himself to play photographer. he took pictures of the REAL photographers, the DJ, the servers. THEN he went into the kitchen. Some of the workers couldn't run fast enough to avoid getting their picture taken. They were running away, knocking each other over to get away from the camera my brother was very innocently holding-just being a goof-ball. He recognized right away what was happening and apologized for scaring these people. and he had to reassure them over and over again that he was not from the government and he was not going to report them.



So REALLY? you seriously think illegal immigrants are lining up to fraudulently cast their vote in a public election?




 I wonder if the real issue here is people's fear and or hatred of illegal immigrants as well as all POC and not a matter of photo id.



Quoting JonJon:



It's funny as all get out that people believe people who illegally sneak into the country would actually bother with voting when most of the people born and raised here don't bother!  LOL! 



The illegals don't care who sits in the President's seat on Air Force One as long as they can go unnoticed!  They like to keep a low profile and stay anonymous; going to the polling places just gives them a face! They wouldn't risk exposure to do something that does not immediately, personally benefit them.



Think, people, THINK!



Quoting pvtjokerus:



Sure.  But based on our immigration problem, it should be common sense that everyone brings a proper form of I.D. to these voting booths.



Quoting Happymamax2:



Quoting pvtjokerus:



It's a persons right to vote if they are a us citizen. Period.


 






 



 


 

 

 

 


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