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One more reason we need Voter ID cards

Posted by on Jun. 17, 2012 at 3:02 PM
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Felony charges related to election fraud have touched the 2008 race for the highest office in the land.

Prosecutors in South Bend, Ind., filed charges Monday against four St. Joseph County Democratic officials and deputies as part of a multiple-felony case involving the alleged forging of Democratic presidential primary petitions in the 2008 election, which put then-candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton on the Indiana ballot.

The officials are accused of taking part in a scheme to fake signatures and names on the primary petitions needed to run for president. Court papers say the plan was hatched by local Democratic Party officials inside the local party headquarters.

Among those charged is the former long-time chairman of the St. Joseph County Democratic Party, Butch Morgan, who allegedly ordered the forgeries. He was forced to resign when the allegations were first made public last October, even though his lawyer, Shaw Friedman, told Fox News at the time that Morgan did not do anything wrong.

The St. Joseph County Board of Voter Registration's Democratic board member, Pam Brunette, Board of Voter Registration worker Beverly Shelton and Democratic volunteer and former board worker Dustin Blythe also face charges.

According to affidavits, St. Joseph County Voter Registration Office worker Lucas Burkett told investigators that he was part of the plan that started in January 2008 "to forge signatures on presidential candidate petitions instead of collecting actual signatures from citizens."

The documents state that Burkett told investigators that "he was heavily involved in St. Joseph County political activities with the local Democratic party," and that "he had, in fact, personally forged several such signatures," and had attended meetings at the local Democratic party headquarters, where it was agreed to forge the petitions. Morgan, the County Democratic Chairman, allegedly "instructed Mr. Burkett, Pamela Brunette, Beverly Shelton, and Dustin Blythe to forge ballot petitions for presidential candidates," and that "all of them agreed to follow these instructions" by copying names and signatures from old election petitions.

According to affidavits, Burkett told investigators it was his job to "forge petitions for candidate Barack Obama," Shelton "was assigned to forge petitions for candidate Hillary Clinton" and Blythe "was assigned to forge petitions for candidate John Edwards." When Edwards dropped out of the race at the end of January 2008 and Burkett refused to continue the forgeries, Morgan allegedly ordered Blythe to then forge petitions for Barack Obama.

Indiana State Police investigators identified a total of 22 petitions that appeared to be faked, yet sailed through the Voter Registration Board as legitimate documents. The signature of the board's Republican supervisor, Linda Silcott, which is required for legal certification, appeared to be rubber stamped on the documents. She told investigators that she did not remember signing or authorizing her rubber stamp to be used.

Silcott also told investigators that she recognized the handwriting on the alleged forged Obama petitions as that of Blythe's.

The South Bend Tribune and independent political newsletter Howey Politics Indiana have reported that a handwriting analyst concluded last fall that Blythe's handwriting matched some of the alleged Obama fakes. When Fox News caught up to Blythe as he left the Voter Registration Board last November and asked him if he forged any signatures or faked any petitions, he repeatedly replied, "I don't have anything to say."

The case raises the possibility that the president's campaign and that of Clinton's, could have been legally challenged in Indiana if the alleged forgeries were discovered during the race.

Under state law, presidential candidates need to qualify with 500 signatures from each of Indiana's nine congressional districts. Indiana elections officials say that in St. Joseph County, which is the 2nd Congressional District, the Obama campaign qualified with 534 signatures; Clinton's camp had 704.

But the signatures, which were certified by the elections board, were never challenged. If the number of legitimate signatures for Obama or Clinton fell below the legal requirement of 500, they could have been bounced from the state ballot. Reports have previously put the number of phony signatures for both candidates at about 150, but state investigators plucked names from the petitions at random and cited only 20 individual alleged forgeries as part of their case. They say their investigation of the petitions continues.

Multiple voters, including Indiana's former Democratic Gov. Joe Kernan, told Fox News that their names and signatures were phonies.

"That's not my signature," Charity Rorie told Fox News as she sat in her kitchen in Mishawaka, Ind.. The mother of four was stunned that her name and signature, and those of her husband, appeared on one of the Obama petitions. She said they "absolutely" were fakes and was troubled that personal details such as their address and birthdays were also included.

"It was shocking," she said. "Why did they do that, and where did they get it from?"

"I did not sign for Barack Obama," Democratic voter Robert Hunter told Fox News as he stared at the Obama petition that included his name and purported signature supporting the candidate. While he observed that the scrawl looked "very close" to his real one, it was not.

"I always put 'Junior' after my name, every time... there's no 'Junior' there," Hunter told us. "I don't like anybody using my name for anything other than myself."

"It's scary," Charity said. "A lot of people have already lost faith in politics and the realm of politics and that solidifies our worries and concerns."

As for Burkett, a 26-year-old lifelong Democrat, "he is the whistle-blower in this," his lawyer, Andrew B. Jones, told Fox News.

"Lucas really is the hero in this situation. He is someone who stood up for good government, and has cooperated with the state police and will continue to do so."

If you suspect voter or election fraud where you live, tell the Fox News Voter Fraud Unit: voterfraud@foxnews.com

 

 

 



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/04/02/4-indiana-dems-charged-with-election-fraud-in-2008/#ixzz1y4uDL3AS

Sorry, I couldn't figure out how to get rid of the picture.   I will post further on voter registration fraud for those who are actually interested in learning the truth.

Oh, and by the way, Jefferson Country is in the northwestern part of Indiana, which includes Gary, a very democratically held stronghold.  So, see even the dems can get cheated by voter fraud issues. 

grandma B

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LauraKW
by "Dude!" on Jun. 17, 2012 at 3:07 PM
Please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm mobile and can't read all the details right wrong. But this didn't involve actual voters, did it? It was local Dem party officials forging petitions, not individual voter fraud, so IDs would have been irrelevant here.
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LauraKW
by "Dude!" on Jun. 17, 2012 at 3:07 PM
*right now, not right wrong. Can't edit on mobile either.
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katy_kay08
by on Jun. 17, 2012 at 3:11 PM
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Since you draw the line between voter id being necessary and this story could you explain how voter id would have prevented this from happening?  

The story is not a story of "voter fraud" it is an investigation on whether the state party knowingly forged signatures to get them on a ballot.   This would be just another red herring used to support an unsupportable allegation by conservatives that voter fraud is rampant and out of control.   



Quote:

The Truth About Voter Fraud
PUBLICATIONS

Allegations of election-related fraud make for enticing press. Many Americans remember vivid stories of voting improprieties in Chicagoland, or the suspiciously sudden appearance of LBJ's alphabetized ballot box in Texas, or Governor Earl Long's quip: "When I die, I want to be buried in Louisiana, so I can stay active in politics." Voter fraud, in particular, has the feel of a bank heist caper: roundly condemned but technically fascinating, and sufficiently lurid to grab and hold headlines. Perhaps because these stories are dramatic, voter fraud makes a popular scapegoat. In the aftermath of a close election, losing candidates are often quick to blame voter fraud for the results. Legislators cite voter fraud as justification for various new restrictions on the exercise of the franchise. And pundits trot out the same few anecdotes time and again as proof that a wave of fraud is imminent.

Allegations of widespread voter fraud, however, often prove greatly exaggerated. It is easy to grab headlines with a lurid claim ("Tens of thousands may be voting illegally!"); the follow-up - when any exists - is not usually deemed newsworthy. Yet on closer examination, many of the claims of voter fraud amount to a great deal of smoke without much fire. The allegations simply do not pan out.

http://www.truthaboutfraud.org./pdf/CrawfordAllegations.pdf


katy_kay08
by on Jun. 17, 2012 at 3:15 PM
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When you register to vote the state sends you a voter card and from my reading it appears Indiana already has voter id laws on the books and did in 2008.  So how again did that law prevent this alleged crime from happening?  

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-04-28/politics/scotus.voter.id_1_voter-impersonation-voter-id-laws-voter-fraud?_s=PM:POLITICS

grandmab125
by Gold Member on Jun. 17, 2012 at 4:10 PM

Voter fraud is not just something that happens at the ballot box.

What I was trying to point out, is that  people who may not have qualified with enough signatures on petitions, still get on them because of fraud. I'm sure if it was a republican state committee chairman and other high up republican committee people who did this same thing, and McCain won, you would all be screaming for his head.  The fed investigators only checked a minimal number of registrations, not all of them, just enough to make their case.  But if you extrapolate those numbers and then verify who the legally registered voters are in that county, Obama could very possible not have had enough signatures to be on the ballot there.  That would have cost him hundreds of thousands or maybe even around a milllion votes.  The Gary area of Indiana has the biggest population in the state.  Ergo,  Hillary Clinton would probably have carried the state.

If you look at the end of my post, I said I would come back with other issues  that could result in voter fraud.

MeAndTommyLee
by Gold Member on Jun. 17, 2012 at 4:14 PM

So we are rejecting the notion of voter ID's because it WILL happen anyway??

grandmab125
by Gold Member on Jun. 17, 2012 at 4:17 PM


Quoting katy_kay08:

When you register to vote the state sends you a voter card and from my reading it appears Indiana already has voter id laws on the books and did in 2008.  So how again did that law prevent this alleged crime from happening?  

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-04-28/politics/scotus.voter.id_1_voter-impersonation-voter-id-laws-voter-fraud?_s=PM:POLITICS

So, we get voter registration cards.  Do you have to show yours?  I live in Illinois, and we don't have to show those, a driver's license, a piece of mail with your name and address on it or anything to prove who you are.  All voter registration cards do is to tell you what district or precinct you are in and phone, e-mail or website contact info.

grandma B

katy_kay08
by on Jun. 17, 2012 at 4:19 PM
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Quoting grandmab125:


Quoting katy_kay08:

When you register to vote the state sends you a voter card and from my reading it appears Indiana already has voter id laws on the books and did in 2008.  So how again did that law prevent this alleged crime from happening?  

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-04-28/politics/scotus.voter.id_1_voter-impersonation-voter-id-laws-voter-fraud?_s=PM:POLITICS

So, we get voter registration cards.  Do you have to show yours?  I live in Illinois, and we don't have to show those, a driver's license, a piece of mail with your name and address on it or anything to prove who you are.  All voter registration cards do is to tell you what district or precinct you are in and phone, e-mail or website contact info.

No, a ballot is mailed to my house and I have the luxury of studying up on the issues and candidates while completing my ballot.  

Voter fraud is nearly non existent; your example above is not voter fraud.  

katy_kay08
by on Jun. 17, 2012 at 4:54 PM

B, could you take time to answer the question?  

Quoting katy_kay08:

Since you draw the line between voter id being necessary and this story could you explain how voter id would have prevented this from happening?  


grandmab125
by Gold Member on Jun. 17, 2012 at 4:55 PM
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ACORN has been charged and found guilty in numerous states of voter registration fraud for decades, especially in the 2008 elections.  If you are really interested in learning about voter registration fraud, google it and you will see how many states have investigated and thrown out 100's of 1,000's of registrations because of ACORN's fraudulent practices.  Some of the top officials of ACORN in different states have been arrested, tried and found guilty of voter reg fraud.

Sorry I can't provide the link, but there is a good article on CBSNEWS.com  by their chief investigative reporter, Armen Keyeyia, about the practices of ACORN.  His investigation found that workers are pressed to increase the number of registrations they get every day to the point that the registrars are copying names and addresses from phones books, signing up inmates and registering the dead.  You may not hear much about them now, but that's because they now call themselves ACHOA - Affordable Housing Centers of America....They changed their name because they thought they could better hide their illegal activities that way.  It is not just dead peoples names, or picking name out of phone books, or registering inmates, it's the number of times they have registered the same person, just in a different precinct.

And with a lot of states allowing voting by mail, all of these fraudulent  registrations can then become fraudulent votes through the mail.

Please don't turn this into an argument for or against ACORN.  I used them as a prime example of why voter fraud isn't just about fraud at the ballot box.  If you want to debate ACORN, please start another thread.

 

 

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