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Welfare= no tobacco, no alcohol, no gambling

Posted by on Jun. 19, 2012 at 6:57 PM
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NY Moves to Restrict Welfare Spending on Alcohol

The "Public Assistance Integrity Act" would specifically prohibit the purchase of tobacco products, alcohol and lottery tickets, which would be a regulation that could be hard to enforce

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|  Tuesday, Jun 19, 2012  |  Updated 6:12 PM EDT

NY Moves to Restrict Welfare Spending on Alcohol

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New York would prohibit welfare recipients from spending their tax-funded benefits on cigarettes, alcohol, gambling, and strip clubs under a bill passed overwhelmingly by the state Senate on Tuesday.

Ten other states have already ruled social services can't be spent on items from beer to guns.

"I understand that people need food stamps," said Republican Sen. Thomas Libous, a Broome County Republican. "What I don't understand is why they need to go to strip clubs, buy lottery tickets, go to a 'racino' or buy alcohol."

Libous said New York must restrict the spending by recipients whose benefits are linked to debit cards to conform to federal law. President Barack Obama signed a law in February that will require states to restrict how the cash portion of social services is spent, or lose 5 percent of Temporary Assistance to Needy Families funding. New York risks losing $125 million next year.

Others questioned the need for the restrictions, saying they were a slap at the poor.

"It's a prejudice, I think, about poor people that we are seeing represented more than any statistical or study of behavior," said Sen. Bill Perkins, a Harlem Democat and one of the few senators to vote against the measure. "If they have evidence that there's a rash of that, I'd like to see it."

Libous's "Public Assistance Integrity Act" would specifically prohibit the purchase of tobacco products, alcohol and lottery tickets, which would be a regulation that could be hard to enforce. Easier to enforce because of its paper trail would be his proposed ban on the withdrawal of cash from the Electronic Benefits Transfer card at automatic teller machines in liquor stores, casinos, and adult entertainment bars and clubs.

Perkins said the bill would penalize a poor mother who simply withdrew money to buy milk if she used an ATM in a banned establishment to do so.

Many states, including New York, issue welfare recipients an Electronic Benefits Transfer card, or EBT card, with cash benefits. The systems have simplified the distribution of financial assistance, but they also provide a way of tracking where the benefits are withdrawn.

Washington already bans purchases of alcohol, tobacco, gambling, lottery tickets, and adult entertainment while Indiana bans the purchase of guns, gambling and alcohol using social services. Other states with restrictions include Arizona (lottery tickets), California (gambling, adult entertainment), Colorado (alcohol, gambling, guns), Maine (alcohol, gambling, adult entertainment), Massachusetts (alcohol, tobacco, gambling, and lottery), Minnesota (alcohol and tobacco), Pennsylvania (alcohol and tobacco).

New York's Republican senators who led the bipartisan 56-3 vote Tuesday said New Yorkers are amazed the law allows such spending now. The law prohibits the use of food stamps to buy alcohol or tobacco products, but it's allowed under the "cash allowance" contained in the EBT cards.

"'They can do that? Are you kidding me?'" said Sen. John DeFrancisco, a Syracuse Republican, in recounting constituents' reaction. "That outrage is well placed," he said.

"Right now, under the law, you can use the cash assigned for gambling, alcohol and lottery tickets," Libous said. "We get quite a few complaints on an annual basis."

Some state officials are concerned the federal measure, and its 5-percent penalty for failure to enact restrictions, infringes on states' rights to distribute federal welfare benefits under their own rules.

Libous says that if New York doesn't act to restrict spending using welfare cash, the state could lose $125 million in federal funding tied to the federal initiative.

Now the bill goes to the Democrat-led Assembly, which hasn't introduced it.

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LauraKW
by "Dude!" on Jun. 19, 2012 at 7:14 PM
Could you post your source, please? Can't follow link on mobile.
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Aspirel
by on Jun. 19, 2012 at 7:17 PM
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Hell I didn't even know that they could buy those things...That's just insane and pure abuse. I cant believe they have to actually put a restriction in place.....

FromAtoZ
by AllieCat on Jun. 19, 2012 at 7:20 PM
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Good luck tracing things like this when cash is used.  

While part of me can understand why some feel this is necessary, I see a lot of issues coming from this that will cost the tax payers a hell of a lot more money.


FromAtoZ
by AllieCat on Jun. 19, 2012 at 7:21 PM
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And those who receive cash aid yet do work, how does one differentiate between the cash used, as to where it came from............their pay check or the state?

Not every one on case aid is jobless.

FromAtoZ
by AllieCat on Jun. 19, 2012 at 7:22 PM


Quoting Aspirel:

Hell I didn't even know that they could buy those things...That's just insane and pure abuse. I cant believe they have to actually put a restriction in place.....

They aren't talking about food stamps.  They are talking about the cash aid some people receive.  

At least that is how I read it.

"A bird doesn't sing because it has an answer, it sings because it has a song." ~ Maya Angelou

heidimoose134
by Momma Moose on Jun. 19, 2012 at 7:23 PM

Eh. If a person is on welfare it is unwise, imo, to use that money toward harmful things such as tobacco and gambling. Many people use alcohol for cooking. So I'm not sure how I feel about that. 

I've never understood people who aren't able to pay their bills yet they continue to involve themselves in destructive and expensive behavior. 

I can't even imagine what it would be like to try and fit cigarettes in my budget. And anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that gambling is more often than not a huge waste of money. 


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Lizard_Lina
by Silver Member on Jun. 19, 2012 at 7:24 PM
Can they pull cash from a financial assistance card or do they just swipe it
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heidimoose134
by Momma Moose on Jun. 19, 2012 at 7:24 PM

Can't say for other states but in my state we receive a card that they put the funds on. Although we are free to go to an ATM machine and take cash out. Doing something like this would be hard. They'd have to make it so you can't take any cash out and all and can only exclusively use the funds through the card. 

Quoting FromAtoZ:

Good luck tracing things like this when cash is used.  

While part of me can understand why some feel this is necessary, I see a lot of issues coming from this that will cost the tax payers a hell of a lot more money.




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Aspirel
by on Jun. 19, 2012 at 7:25 PM

I realize that. My point is,there is no reason for people receiving any kind of PA to be buying those things. Way to stay in poverty.

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Quoting Aspirel:

Hell I didn't even know that they could buy those things...That's just insane and pure abuse. I cant believe they have to actually put a restriction in place.....

They aren't talking about food stamps.  They are talking about the cash aid some people receive.  

At least that is how I read it.


FromAtoZ
by AllieCat on Jun. 19, 2012 at 7:27 PM
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Quoting Aspirel:

I realize that. My point is,there is no reason for people receiving any kind of PA to be buying those things. Way to stay in poverty.

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Quoting Aspirel:

Hell I didn't even know that they could buy those things...That's just insane and pure abuse. I cant believe they have to actually put a restriction in place.....

They aren't talking about food stamps.  They are talking about the cash aid some people receive.  

At least that is how I read it.


Alrighty then.  Since you seem to think you know the individual circumstances of every person and PA and have no problem lowering them to a level that makes you feel better about  yourself, you have fun with that.

"A bird doesn't sing because it has an answer, it sings because it has a song." ~ Maya Angelou

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