Some people think they know me. NOPE. you only Know what I want you to Know.
You either just told Kailu she doesn't know what she's talking about, or you just told her how you want her to think. Which is it?
She's right; I have a pretty good memory when I'm given stimulus.
Quoting Radarma:Nah, she really does not have a good memory; what she does is spin shit to suit her own mental schemas. SO MANY have been lost in her shuffle.
Want a towel for that vomit? lol
Quoting kailu1835:
I may vomit in my mouth just a little when I say this, but if what she says about you is true (she's got a pretty good memory) then I have to say she's right about the bf. You should put more value on yourself.
And don't move to Texas. There is a HUGE racist "community" there. Your daughter will be the brunt of endless bullying. A couple of years ago, a black man was drug with a truck until his limbs started falling off... they REALLY don't like black people very much there.
Quoting Angelanscalf89:
You seem very racist like you have a stick up your ass against white people (im thinking your black but cant see on mobile) if you would like to discuss this you can message me i am not discussing this in here.
Quoting JonJon:
Quoting Angelanscalf89:
Actually unless you know me dont talk shit.
So the people who know you can talk shit? I'll get back to you on that in a minute.
He 3 wayed his mom to tell her I was pregnant and I heard what she said.
That's why we are admonished not to eavesdrop; you might hear something you didn't want to know. So you were both deceitful. His risking your feelings getting hurt and risking his mom saying something she wouldn't have said to your face out of politeness was thoughtless, inconsiderate and selfish; you should have seen a red flag.
I used to have to force him to see her he never even tried.
In what ways did you force him? I wouldn't force MY child on someone who didn't want her; that's how little kids wind up bashed against a wall. If you weren't worried about her being abused, you should have had some pride in not begging or forcing someone to show you some respect by acknowledging your child.
You havent met his family they really and truly are racist.
All we blacks know each other; didn't you know that? What's their family name? I'm thinking there's about five different definitions of "racist" floating around CM; what do YOU believe it means?
and my daughter doesnt know anything about it.
I have cause to doubt that; tell you why in a minute...
Dont judge me or assume that I act a certain way because the truth is you make yourself seem like an ass because your wrong.
Oh, I had you accurately summed up from the get. You're one of those white women who can't believe you got used and then dumped by a black guy; your ego's taken quite a blow and you want some sort of satisfaction. At the beginning, you used your child as leverage and maybe hoped to get him to come back to you to be close to her but ultimatums and trying to force people to bend to your will have the opposite result; they repel the people you want to attract back to you.
And your right its not his whole family. His sister always tried to see dd and i let her but she stopped trying after her moved out of state.
And the uncle; don't forget the uncle. The fact of the matter is you probably have never spoken to anyone in her family but the the uncle and the sister who probably wanted to see for themselves if the little girl had a family resemblance and have decided, all on your own, that they are racists or they would have made your ex do what you want him to do. I don't care how racist you believe his family to be, if his mother had been convinced by his sister and her brother that your daughter was her son's child, she'd have wanted to be part of her grandchild's life. They don't believe the child is his.Have you sued him for paternity?
Now, let's see if I know enough about you to qualify to talk some shit:
You're either 22 or 23. You have a daughter aged 4; her name starts with the letter K. Your son is 3, his name starts with B. K is starting kindergarten in the fall and you need to buy her a uniform but it's not a private school; it's a public school. It's going to be quite an expense for you because neither you nor your df work. Your son is going to start head start this fall and you're hoping you will be able to find a part-time job.
You like to say you make a little money taking care of your grandmother but your df says HE's the one who takes care of her. You say your mom also pays you to take care of HER toddlers, a boy 4 and a girl 3 while she's at work. You clean her house as well as your own which you say is spotless because you clean it six times a day.
Your df is studying to become an airplane mechanic. He doesn't work. You like to say he's in school but he studies from a book two hours a day in preparation to take tests and then go into some hands-on training. You say he accuses you of doing nothing all day and doesn't appreciate how well you do your job of taking care of your family; not just your kids, your whole family including your gma and your mom's house and her kids. Your df got online and said you are a liar, that HE's the one who cleans your home, cooks the food and takes care of the kids, even the one who belongs to the other guy. He wants to know WHERE that guy is as if he believes you have never had any idea, either, much less have been in contact with his family and therefore couldn't know how they think about your daughter. Your own df called you a liar.
He has no job, sleeps in until half past noon, studies two hours a day as preparation to committing his lessons to memory, you receive food stamps and live in subsidized housing in Romulus, MI and are ready to uproot your children from their gma and ggma to follow your df to either TN or TX; preferably, to TX. Now, I'd like to stop here to tell you that if your little boy is also black, you'd be smart to stay clear of TX or TN because neither of those places like black people, much, and I don't know about TN but TX has the stand your ground law and a white man shot a black man in the back who was running away from the neighbor's house even though the cops told him not to go outside and the old dude never even went to court. It's been open season on black males since the first one was brought here from Africa.
You joined CM in April and you joined CE&HT in May. You belong to 9 groups and have 6 CM friends. You like country music and heavy metal (quite ecclectic). Among your interests are: green living, holidays & seasonal fun, recipes & cooking, writing & blogging, weight loss and reading. BTW: You keep talking about going to Texas, but that's about one or two years in the future (if at all).You have a bad temper and are rude to people who question you and are plain-talking and straight-forward no-nonsense talkers but I don't blame you for the way you replied to me; I didn't expect you to like it and I didn't expect you to say anything that was dismissive but with class. I expected you to come out with the potty mouth.I am sincere when I say the following: You've had a tough life. You pin your hopes on men but the wrong men. You need to get away from your mom and let the state give your gma a home health aid. BTW: Until you distance yourself from your family, you can get the state to pay you much more than your gma does to take care of her to be her home health assistant. Gma can keep her money and be richer.Your money will go further when you get rid of that dead weight you call your df. He's never going to become an airplane mechanic. He says he's ashamed of being unemployed but is he, really? He says he's gone to great lengths to get work, but has he, REALLY? In a way, you two seem made for each other what with you being so naive and gullible and his being so slick as to get you and granny and mommy to take care of you all.One more time; if you really do want to know what racism looks and sounds like, move to Texas with your black daughter and you will find out first hand. It doesn't seem as if you are going to be able to afford to stay in a nice neighborhood and it's best to stay in MI where you know where the pitfalls are and know who to avoid. We never know how good we have it where we already are until we move somewhere else. At least your mom and your gma are a kind of support. You don't really seem to have any personal problems with either one.Dump the guy. Get a real job or get some public assistance while you take some classes to go into a career that will pay you enough money to be more choosey about the men you let into your life and don't let any of those men into your home life and don't introduce them to your kids for at least three months after meeting them. It's best to leave the guys alone if you take classes because men are too much of a distraction and they like to sabotage your efforts to improve yourself.Don't talk about your kids the first time you meet a guy because that will either chase him away or attract a predator. Don't talk to any guys who want to get to know you when you have the kids with you because either they'll think you're easy and won't expect them to wear condoms or they are really interested in your kids. Don't get involved with any other guys for a couple of years while you get yourself self-sufficient and self-reliant.You said you like to read; how did you like reading my pamphlet?
Totally a racist comment! What....there aren't other races that are racist? that's just a joke!
And if you think anytime a non-Black spits in your presence its directed at you and your race you have bigger issues then I thought. Wow, I cant even imagine what its like to be around you, people must have to be silent and walk on eggshells, lest anything they say or do be construed as racist. Wow, joni, just wow. You are an incredibly sad and messed up individual.
Quoting JonJon:
It's hard for you to understand. I suppose you would think it's was an accident to have the guy standing at the bus stop next to you spit when the wind is blowing from him to you so that you wound up with a droplet of his spittle on your face.
It happened to me. It wasn't an accident.
If people are spitting around you so often that you wonder how this could possibly be coincidence, you have to eventually figure either there's a shortage of handkerchiefs and Kleenex out there or people are spitting to indicate what they think of having to share the sidewalk with you.
Quoting dustinsmom1:
And has it ever occurred to you that a White person spitting in the presence *gasp* of a Black person is not necessarily racial at all? Maybe they chew tobacco, maybe they just coughed up some phlegm, maybe they are just an individual who likes to spit a lot! Not everything is racial just because you deem it so.
Quoting JonJon:
It IS hard for white people to see racism. If you were standing at a bus stop with a black person a few feet from you and a white guy walks by you and spits on the ground as he passes the black person, would it occur to you he just made a racist statement? Or would you just be disgusted the guy spit on the sidewalk instead of using a facial tissue?
Quoting JonJon:
Actually, kittykat, I had to laugh at yet another white person stating that whites are now the minority and that the minorities are in danger of taking over the country and I tried to keep that to myself; really I did. Actually, jonnyjonny I never laughed at any POC and nowhere did I state "whites are now the minority" so brush up on your reading comprehension. Really, you do.
Your delivery has gotten rather coarse. It happens when a white person believes she has been gracious enough to treat a racial minority as an equal only to have the minority not recognize or appreciate her grand gesture. You must be confused as you are the one with the snarky comments. Re-read your own definition. BTW: thanks for posting that. Why don't you take the time to read it yourself. However, I will contiune a discourse just as long as the discourse contiunes to be mutually resepctful. I expect nothing more or less than mutual respect. It sounds like you have been deeply damaged from past inter-racial relationships and you are projecting onto me. Therapy helps with that. I won;t bother recommending a therapist as you will twist it around and view my gesture as racially provacative.
I was honest with you and tried to temper my message by being a bit droll. You decided to take it as snark and decided to start some mess. I was honest with YOU and YOU tempered your message with snark. I took your comment for what it was. YOU were the one who decided to twist my words around to make me appear the racist monster you want me to be. You make the "mess" so you get to clean it up.
My honesty and directness either brings out the best or the worst in people. Your worst is coming to the fore. Stop now before you do any more damage to the image you have of yourself. Your honesty and directness does not exist. It is a figment of your imagination. You like to bait and switch and create mess and evil where it does not exist. Stop now before YOU do any more damage to the image you have of youreself-whatever that may be. I do not need an "image of myself." I am genuine and real and honest.
And I will take the advice of a wise poster I met here. I refuse to engage you any longer. You are obviously in a very dark place inside your head. I wish you well.
Quoting Ms.KitKat:
seriously WTF is your issue?! We were having a discusion and then you come out with: "rest easy" comment. You are the one that has your panties in a twist. And yes, Now I KNOW you are being snarky. When one gives a definition and has a tone as yours. I have been respectful and open and honest with you this entire thread and yet I sense you have a major MF'ing stick up your butt.
I do not see the statement as being "straight forward" hence the reason I asked. You don't want to answer but choose to berate me- fine. Shut me down. No one will ever learn that way. Maybe that is what you want. Set the bait and spring the trap. You are looking for something in me that does not exist. I see nothing from you that is reassuring. I only see YOU chatising ME. Sounds like YOU have some "monsters" YOU need to check on.
Quoting JonJon:
Am I being snarky with you? That depends on your definition of snark:
Definition of SNARKY. 1. : crotchety, snappish. 2. : sarcastic, impertinent, or irreverent in tone or manner
snark·y (snär k ). adj. snark·i·er, snark·i·est Slang. 1. Rudely sarcastic or disrespectful; snide. 2. Irritable or short-tempered; irascible.
I like how you ask if I'm being disrespectful or snide or rude as if you're the mom and I'm some smart-aleck child.
The statement is rather straight-forward; I won't bother to explain forward because I don't care to be chastised for trying to be reassuring.
You let your monster out for a second, there. It's okay; we all have our monstrous moments.
Quoting Ms.KitKat:
"Whites are in charge for our lifetimes, rest easy."
Did you just get all snarky with me?! Please explain your "rest easy" comment specifically.
Quoting JonJon:
Whites are the biggest racial group in the country. Even if all the minorities had enough sense to band together in an effort to wrest the power away from whites, the whites would still be in the majority. Whites are in charge for our lifetimes, rest easy. ;)
Quoting Ms.KitKat:
Today, 2012, whites are not a minority group. a minority group is a group with less power (economically, socially, etc.........) Women is a minority group for example. Not in numbers mind you, but in terms of "power."
Minority status has nothing to do with numbers. It has everything to do with who is in charge of the money and power. In the USA 2012, white people own the majority of the "power" even though white people may be demographically a minority in shear numbers. IDK about the demos though so I really can not say how many white vs. balck vs asian vs...........are living in the USA.
Does this answer your question?
Quoting Erimar23:
They marched on Washington to reclaim civil rights.
They complained of voter intimidation at the polls.
They called for ethnic studies programs to promote racial pride.
They are, some say, the new face of racial oppression in this nation -- and their faces are white.
"We went from being a privileged group to all of a sudden becoming whites, the new victims,'' says Charles Gallagher, a sociologist at La Salle University in Pennsylvania who researches white racial attitudes and was baffled to find that whites see themselves as a minority.
"You have this perception out there that whites are no longer in control or the majority. Whites are the new minority group."
Call it racial jujitsu: A growing number of white Americans are acting like a racially oppressed majority. They are adopting the language and protest tactics of an embattled minority group, scholars and commentators say.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/12/21/white.persecution/index.html
So do some of you white moms who say no this statement feel like this article?
angel! Don't go to PM with that one! Please! She has been baiting me and then switches it up and twists around. She has a personal agenda and if you keep reading what she posts- she becomes all too clear who she really is. She tried to get me to PM her. I refused. What can be said in private on a forum should be held in public. She will contiune to engage you for nothing more than to piss you off. Once you get angry she'll pull even more crap with you.
back away, very s...l...o...w...l....y
Quoting Angelanscalf89:
You seem very racist like you have a stick up your ass against white people (im thinking your black but cant see on mobile) if you would like to discuss this you can message me i am not discussing this in here.
Quoting JonJon:
Quoting Angelanscalf89:
Actually unless you know me dont talk shit.
So the people who know you can talk shit? I'll get back to you on that in a minute.
He 3 wayed his mom to tell her I was pregnant and I heard what she said.
That's why we are admonished not to eavesdrop; you might hear something you didn't want to know. So you were both deceitful. His risking your feelings getting hurt and risking his mom saying something she wouldn't have said to your face out of politeness was thoughtless, inconsiderate and selfish; you should have seen a red flag.
I used to have to force him to see her he never even tried.
In what ways did you force him? I wouldn't force MY child on someone who didn't want her; that's how little kids wind up bashed against a wall. If you weren't worried about her being abused, you should have had some pride in not begging or forcing someone to show you some respect by acknowledging your child.
You havent met his family they really and truly are racist.
All we blacks know each other; didn't you know that? What's their family name? I'm thinking there's about five different definitions of "racist" floating around CM; what do YOU believe it means?
and my daughter doesnt know anything about it.
I have cause to doubt that; tell you why in a minute...
Dont judge me or assume that I act a certain way because the truth is you make yourself seem like an ass because your wrong.
Oh, I had you accurately summed up from the get. You're one of those white women who can't believe you got used and then dumped by a black guy; your ego's taken quite a blow and you want some sort of satisfaction. At the beginning, you used your child as leverage and maybe hoped to get him to come back to you to be close to her but ultimatums and trying to force people to bend to your will have the opposite result; they repel the people you want to attract back to you.
And your right its not his whole family. His sister always tried to see dd and i let her but she stopped trying after her moved out of state.
And the uncle; don't forget the uncle. The fact of the matter is you probably have never spoken to anyone in her family but the the uncle and the sister who probably wanted to see for themselves if the little girl had a family resemblance and have decided, all on your own, that they are racists or they would have made your ex do what you want him to do. I don't care how racist you believe his family to be, if his mother had been convinced by his sister and her brother that your daughter was her son's child, she'd have wanted to be part of her grandchild's life. They don't believe the child is his.Have you sued him for paternity?
Now, let's see if I know enough about you to qualify to talk some shit:
You're either 22 or 23. You have a daughter aged 4; her name starts with the letter K. Your son is 3, his name starts with B. K is starting kindergarten in the fall and you need to buy her a uniform but it's not a private school; it's a public school. It's going to be quite an expense for you because neither you nor your df work. Your son is going to start head start this fall and you're hoping you will be able to find a part-time job.
You like to say you make a little money taking care of your grandmother but your df says HE's the one who takes care of her. You say your mom also pays you to take care of HER toddlers, a boy 4 and a girl 3 while she's at work. You clean her house as well as your own which you say is spotless because you clean it six times a day.
Your df is studying to become an airplane mechanic. He doesn't work. You like to say he's in school but he studies from a book two hours a day in preparation to take tests and then go into some hands-on training. You say he accuses you of doing nothing all day and doesn't appreciate how well you do your job of taking care of your family; not just your kids, your whole family including your gma and your mom's house and her kids. Your df got online and said you are a liar, that HE's the one who cleans your home, cooks the food and takes care of the kids, even the one who belongs to the other guy. He wants to know WHERE that guy is as if he believes you have never had any idea, either, much less have been in contact with his family and therefore couldn't know how they think about your daughter. Your own df called you a liar.
He has no job, sleeps in until half past noon, studies two hours a day as preparation to committing his lessons to memory, you receive food stamps and live in subsidized housing in Romulus, MI and are ready to uproot your children from their gma and ggma to follow your df to either TN or TX; preferably, to TX. Now, I'd like to stop here to tell you that if your little boy is also black, you'd be smart to stay clear of TX or TN because neither of those places like black people, much, and I don't know about TN but TX has the stand your ground law and a white man shot a black man in the back who was running away from the neighbor's house even though the cops told him not to go outside and the old dude never even went to court. It's been open season on black males since the first one was brought here from Africa.
You joined CM in April and you joined CE&HT in May. You belong to 9 groups and have 6 CM friends. You like country music and heavy metal (quite ecclectic). Among your interests are: green living, holidays & seasonal fun, recipes & cooking, writing & blogging, weight loss and reading. BTW: You keep talking about going to Texas, but that's about one or two years in the future (if at all).You have a bad temper and are rude to people who question you and are plain-talking and straight-forward no-nonsense talkers but I don't blame you for the way you replied to me; I didn't expect you to like it and I didn't expect you to say anything that was dismissive but with class. I expected you to come out with the potty mouth.I am sincere when I say the following: You've had a tough life. You pin your hopes on men but the wrong men. You need to get away from your mom and let the state give your gma a home health aid. BTW: Until you distance yourself from your family, you can get the state to pay you much more than your gma does to take care of her to be her home health assistant. Gma can keep her money and be richer.Your money will go further when you get rid of that dead weight you call your df. He's never going to become an airplane mechanic. He says he's ashamed of being unemployed but is he, really? He says he's gone to great lengths to get work, but has he, REALLY? In a way, you two seem made for each other what with you being so naive and gullible and his being so slick as to get you and granny and mommy to take care of you all.One more time; if you really do want to know what racism looks and sounds like, move to Texas with your black daughter and you will find out first hand. It doesn't seem as if you are going to be able to afford to stay in a nice neighborhood and it's best to stay in MI where you know where the pitfalls are and know who to avoid. We never know how good we have it where we already are until we move somewhere else. At least your mom and your gma are a kind of support. You don't really seem to have any personal problems with either one.Dump the guy. Get a real job or get some public assistance while you take some classes to go into a career that will pay you enough money to be more choosey about the men you let into your life and don't let any of those men into your home life and don't introduce them to your kids for at least three months after meeting them. It's best to leave the guys alone if you take classes because men are too much of a distraction and they like to sabotage your efforts to improve yourself.Don't talk about your kids the first time you meet a guy because that will either chase him away or attract a predator. Don't talk to any guys who want to get to know you when you have the kids with you because either they'll think you're easy and won't expect them to wear condoms or they are really interested in your kids. Don't get involved with any other guys for a couple of years while you get yourself self-sufficient and self-reliant.You said you like to read; how did you like reading my pamphlet?
My, my; how easily and quickly some turn...
I said I was interested in your story and invited you to tell me in pm if you didn't want to do it in public.
So I take a genuine interest in you and corrupt it?
BTW: Too late. She's pmd me about five or six times. She says the trees are too long for her to reply in public so I chopped the tree and no public reply. Trim your bush if you want her to reply to you.
Quoting Ms.KitKat:angel! Don't go to PM with that one! Please! She has been baiting me and then switches it up and twists around. She has a personal agenda and if you keep reading what she posts- she becomes all too clear who she really is. She tried to get me to PM her. I refused. What can be said in private on a forum should be held in public. She will contiune to engage you for nothing more than to piss you off. Once you get angry she'll pull even more crap with you.
back away, very s...l...o...w...l....y
On the flip side, I had a hard time believing a coworker was experiencing discrimination based on religion at work conferences. After all, I dealt with the same people and had not experienced it....until one day I did. And it was like, ooooh, THIS is what she was talking about! I have also experienced this with other non race or religion related issues too., for example, the subtle ways working mothers are discriminated against in the work place. how could I have known before I experienced it? The fact of the matter is, by virtue of being white, there is a lot they just wont ever see. Why would they? Sometimes it is hard for people to see things like racism when they are not affected by it. And it is not their fault for not having experienced it. The problem comes in when people refuse to believe it's happening, just because it hasn't happened to them.
Don't cry for me, Argentina. Crocodile tears are so unsightly.
I feel like listening to that song. BRB.
Quoting dustinsmom1:And if you think anytime a non-Black spits in your presence its directed at you and your race you have bigger issues then I thought. Wow, I cant even imagine what its like to be around you, people must have to be silent and walk on eggshells, lest anything they say or do be construed as racist. Wow, joni, just wow. You are an incredibly sad and messed up individual.
Quoting JonJon:
It's hard for you to understand. I suppose you would think it's was an accident to have the guy standing at the bus stop next to you spit when the wind is blowing from him to you so that you wound up with a droplet of his spittle on your face.
It happened to me. It wasn't an accident.
If people are spitting around you so often that you wonder how this could possibly be coincidence, you have to eventually figure either there's a shortage of handkerchiefs and Kleenex out there or people are spitting to indicate what they think of having to share the sidewalk with you.
Quoting dustinsmom1:
And has it ever occurred to you that a White person spitting in the presence *gasp* of a Black person is not necessarily racial at all? Maybe they chew tobacco, maybe they just coughed up some phlegm, maybe they are just an individual who likes to spit a lot! Not everything is racial just because you deem it so.
Quoting JonJon:
It IS hard for white people to see racism. If you were standing at a bus stop with a black person a few feet from you and a white guy walks by you and spits on the ground as he passes the black person, would it occur to you he just made a racist statement? Or would you just be disgusted the guy spit on the sidewalk instead of using a facial tissue?
Quoting LBAY:
It is true. I think people should not jump to the defensive just because this is concerning race. The fact is out is difficult to understand and empathize with an experience you have never had. I am a biracial, my mother is white. She did not believe racism was as big of an issue until she finally experienced it herself. Another example, I had never experienced racial profiling while driving, until I did once when I was out with a group of friends, yeti of which were black males.,i was appalled. At the time I was a reporter, so I pulled out my press badge and started writing down names and what was happening. The cops went from throwing these young men, who had done nothing, on the hood of the car, to appologizing dvds damn near running back to their patrol car.
On the flip side, I had a hard time believing a coworker was experiencing discrimination based on religion at work conferences. After all, I dealt with the same people and had not experienced it....until one day I did. And it was like, ooooh, THIS is what she was talking about! I have also experienced this with other non race or religion related issues too., for example, the subtle ways working mothers are discriminated against in the work place. how could I have known before I experienced it? The fact of the matter is, by virtue of being white, there is a lot they just wont ever see. Why would they? Sometimes it is hard for people to see things like racism when they are not affected by it. And it is not their fault for not having experienced it. The problem comes in when people refuse to believe it's happening, just because it hasn't happened to them.
Quoting JonJon:
Now, let's see if I know enough about you to qualify to talk some shit:
Oh do me, do me!
Holder to investigate....Holder
- Erimar23
on Jul. 1, 2012 at 1:28 AM