Dude, We Don't Care

[Friday]

I see so many people bringing up the Bible in the marriage equality debate and I have news for you.....we don't care. If your Bible/Torah/Quran or other holy book, condemns same sex couples and marriage, fine. Live by your book and enjoy. But PLEASE stop pushing for laws based upon your holy book that everyone doesn't share.

I respect your right to believe as you wish and live as you like, as long as you don't infringe on the rights of others, but you inexplicable need to legislate that belief and force others who don't follow your book, or have a different interpretation of said book, to live by it's words is wrong and we will not sit down while you force your religion on the rest of us.

No one wants to force you to approve, condone or participate in same sex marriage or make your church perform them so please, PLEASE allow us the same courtesy and stop.

Why do y'all feel the need to impose your religion on the rest of us by rule of law?

[cammibear]

I think your missing my point. Many don't see marriage as a civil right. Many see it as an institution that they believe should be protected for the good of society.

Quoting autodidact:

I'm not talking about sex, I'm talking about marriage, a civil right. 

there is not a single definition for normal and acceptable, I find homosexuality to be both.  

I find it unacceptable that anyone thinks they have a right to base others' marriage right on their own religion. I find it unacceptable to characterize the fight for people's rights as "stirring trouble" 

how does anyone else's marriage effect yours? YOURS will stil be a church union of a man and woman, just like always.   

Quoting cammibear:

I'm not pushing anything on anybody. I didn't write the laws; I didn't decide what's considered normal and acceptable.



Live your life. When I see someone legislating laws that would make what you do in the privacy of your bedroom illegal, I will be backing you.

Quoting autodidact:

yes. and those stirring trouble. are the people who just, for whatever reason, cannot let people live thier own lives. 

trouble? how is it trouble to you what two people do, what their relationship is? this is stupid, people like you act as though you can banish homosexualty by interfering in the personal lives of others.

and you do NOT speak for "societal norms", I guarantee you mine are not the same as yours.

YOU are pushing YOUR ideas on other people, no one's making you attend gay weddings or marry a woman, but those who think like you seek to control others lives with YOUR morality.  

you have the concept of "legislating morality" turned completely backwards.  

Quoting cammibear:

What about those trying to change societal norms by legislating their morality? One is already established. One is stirring trouble because they want change in a society that is obviously not open to that change. I think it is less about religion that is personal and more about what has and hasn't been acceptable in this country since it's founding. Who's pushing what on who?


Playing devils advocate here. :)

[autodidact]

Quoting cammibear:

Marriage IS a civil right. SCOTUS defines it as such in Loving v. Virginia !1967

Religion is a single facet of SOME marriages, others are entirely secular, but both are a civil and societal contract. To bar two consenting adults from entering into such a contract on the basis of the partners' gender isn't legally defensible.

Also, it's no single church's place to deny the use of the term marriage because to do so would be to dictate other churches' practices. There are a growing number of congregations that welcome gays people and happily perform SSM.


Yov've already lost, now it's just a question of how long before marriage equality is nationwide.

[muslimah]

 You are exactly right. Although I see it as a sin what others do with their life is their choice and their business. So far I have not seen myself or any other Muslims out there protesting. It's white, American , red necks who feel they must judge what is supposed to be between the individuals and God.

[momtoscott]

 ECM is on record in another post in the past few days as wishing that gays had no rights at all.  She has major mental problems, I think, at least regarding this part of our society.  Maybe her meds need adjusting. 

Quoting evensmummy:

How far are we talking? Would you like to see gays not get to vote as well? And why do you feel it is your right to decide this? If it is seriously just your religion, would you like it if those of the Scientology religion started pushing what they believe into law? Can you not see that this is why it is so important for no religion to have the upper hand on law making?

Quoting EastCoastMom78:

The same reason you think Gays should have equal rights. You believe they should I don't. I will  never vote  for gays to have equal rights. Equal rights goes to a married man and a married woman not two woman and two men.

 

[momtoscott]

 What about those trying to participate in societal norms?  Marriage is a societal norm in the US and most everywhere else.  All I see is a set of consenting adults that is trying to be allowed to have the same "normal" as other consenting adults do, and I don't see that as stirring trouble or pushing things on people.   

Quoting cammibear:

What about those trying to change societal norms by legislating their morality? One is already established. One is stirring trouble because they want change in a society that is obviously not open to that change. I think it is less about religion that is personal and more about what has and hasn't been acceptable in this country since it's founding. Who's pushing what on who?
Playing devils advocate here. :)

 

[iamcafemom83]

I've neer understood how a religious book undermines the rights of millions. I just don't get it.

[SuperChicken]

Quoting cammibear:

I think your missing my point. Many don't see marriage as a civil right. Many see it as an institution that they believe should be protected for the good of society.

Quoting autodidact:

I'm not talking about sex, I'm talking about marriage, a civil right. 

there is not a single definition for normal and acceptable, I find homosexuality to be both.  

I find it unacceptable that anyone thinks they have a right to base others' marriage right on their own religion. I find it unacceptable to characterize the fight for people's rights as "stirring trouble" 

how does anyone else's marriage effect yours? YOURS will stil be a church union of a man and woman, just like always.   

Quoting cammibear:

I'm not pushing anything on anybody. I didn't write the laws; I didn't decide what's considered normal and acceptable.



Live your life. When I see someone legislating laws that would make what you do in the privacy of your bedroom illegal, I will be backing you.

Quoting autodidact:

yes. and those stirring trouble. are the people who just, for whatever reason, cannot let people live thier own lives. 

trouble? how is it trouble to you what two people do, what their relationship is? this is stupid, people like you act as though you can banish homosexualty by interfering in the personal lives of others.

and you do NOT speak for "societal norms", I guarantee you mine are not the same as yours.

YOU are pushing YOUR ideas on other people, no one's making you attend gay weddings or marry a woman, but those who think like you seek to control others lives with YOUR morality.  

you have the concept of "legislating morality" turned completely backwards.  

Quoting cammibear:

What about those trying to change societal norms by legislating their morality? One is already established. One is stirring trouble because they want change in a society that is obviously not open to that change. I think it is less about religion that is personal and more about what has and hasn't been acceptable in this country since it's founding. Who's pushing what on who?


Playing devils advocate here. :)

 

 

Bullpoop.  If they truly thought that, then they would be lobbying to make divorce illegal.   They would protest the Kardashians and unwed parents would still be shunned by society.

[asfriend]

Quoting SuperChicken:

 

Quoting cammibear:

I think your missing my point. Many don't see marriage as a civil right. Many see it as an institution that they believe should be protected for the good of society.

Quoting autodidact:

I'm not talking about sex, I'm talking about marriage, a civil right. 

there is not a single definition for normal and acceptable, I find homosexuality to be both.  

I find it unacceptable that anyone thinks they have a right to base others' marriage right on their own religion. I find it unacceptable to characterize the fight for people's rights as "stirring trouble" 

how does anyone else's marriage effect yours? YOURS will stil be a church union of a man and woman, just like always.   

Quoting cammibear:

I'm not pushing anything on anybody. I didn't write the laws; I didn't decide what's considered normal and acceptable.



Live your life. When I see someone legislating laws that would make what you do in the privacy of your bedroom illegal, I will be backing you.

Quoting autodidact:

yes. and those stirring trouble. are the people who just, for whatever reason, cannot let people live thier own lives. 

trouble? how is it trouble to you what two people do, what their relationship is? this is stupid, people like you act as though you can banish homosexualty by interfering in the personal lives of others.

and you do NOT speak for "societal norms", I guarantee you mine are not the same as yours.

YOU are pushing YOUR ideas on other people, no one's making you attend gay weddings or marry a woman, but those who think like you seek to control others lives with YOUR morality.  

you have the concept of "legislating morality" turned completely backwards.  

Quoting cammibear:

What about those trying to change societal norms by legislating their morality? One is already established. One is stirring trouble because they want change in a society that is obviously not open to that change. I think it is less about religion that is personal and more about what has and hasn't been acceptable in this country since it's founding. Who's pushing what on who?


Playing devils advocate here. :)

 

 

Bullpoop.  If they truly thought that, then they would be lobbying to make divorce illegal.   They would protest the Kardashians and unwed parents would still be shunned by society.

Before the progressives took over - getting a divorce was a lot harder, you couldn't get one just on a whim, and unwed parents were shunned.

Most decent people couldn't tell you who the Kardashians are.

[Friday]

Quoting toomanypoodles:

 

Quoting Friday:

Quoting toomanypoodles:

 AMEN!  Preach it, sister!  ;)

Sincere or sarcasm? I'm still learning your sense of humor.

 No, honey, I'm sincere.  I have learned in my years here that what I believe is not going to be the world's belief.  And that's okay.  Not everyone is going to accept the life path I have chosen and that IS okay. 

I am in full agreement with you.  It's time for the zealous Christians to back off those that do not want to hear their message.  And love them regardless. 

I love and accept my friends as they are and I don't care what religion they are, what political side they are on or if they are gay...or pot smokers.  ;)  I look at these women's hearts, their love for their kids,. their treatment towards their fellow (wo)man and don't judge their lifestyle. 

I still hold my own beliefs and convictions but I'm not going to chew someone for holding to something different than me. 

I can't 'like' this enough. Awesome. You're not too bad for a poodle = )

[Friday]

Quoting cammibear:

I think your missing my point. Many don't see marriage as a civil right. Many see it as an institution that they believe should be protected for the good of society.

I believe it is a civil right but let's put that aside for a minute and look at it your way. How does it affect that institution if same sex couples are allowed to enter it? Does it change or affect the opposite sex marriages in any way? Wouldn't it offer more stability and protect them and their families, thus families in general? I know same sex couples can't reproduce w/o some help but let's face it many come from straight relationships and already have kids. Isn't it better for those kids to have a more stable home with committed parents? Wouldn't foster kids be better off in a stable, loving home with same sex parents than shuffled around in foster care? I know there are wonderful foster homes, met some but there are also many horror stories of people who only want the income and either slave labor or kids to prey on. I have friends who came from such homes.

Is it right or just for same sex partners and the kids involved to be denied access to a sick or dying partner/parent, even tho all the legal hoops have been jumped thru? Because it happens all too often.

I believe it would be better for society to let same sex couples marry legally. Not to mention the economic impact of all those weddings of couples who tend to have lots of disposable income = ).

I don't know anyone who wants to force churches that don't believe in it to partake but some churches do approve and would be happy to officiate. Yes, I've read of some extremists who want to push for that but I don't give them any more credibility than those WBC nutters.

Just some food for thought.