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Voting to ban same sex marriage is immoral.

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What is the definition of morality? 

Voting to ban same sex marriage actively HARMS other people by refusing to allow them to have civil rights.  Banning same sex marriage means homosexual people cannot form families.  That is one of the cruelest things one group of people can do to another group of people, because the family is the foundation of our society. 

People engaged in homosexual relationships are not doing anything immoral because they are not harming anyone.  They are consenting adults.  It is the anti-gay people who are committing immoral acts.

by on Aug. 9, 2012 at 10:24 PM
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12hellokitty
by Platinum Member on Aug. 10, 2012 at 10:00 AM
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Quoting futureshock:

What is the definition of morality? 

Voting to ban same sex marriage actively HARMS other people by refusing to allow them to have civil rights  Banning same sex marriage means homosexual people cannot form families.  That is one of the cruelest things one group of people can do to another group of people, because the family is the foundation of our society. 

People engaged in homosexual relationships are not doing anything immoral because they are not harming anyone.  They are consenting adults.  It is the anti-gay people who are committing immoral acts.

GMAB  Voting is a right.  Perhaps GLBT activist missed the overwhelming turnout of people supporting Chick fil a last week.  People are getting tired of the intimidation tact's used by GLBT activist and their supporters.   

terpmama
by Silver Member on Aug. 10, 2012 at 10:02 AM
Quoting yourspecialkid:




You can believe whatever you want but you can't force those beliefs on others through laws... (general you)...

I remember a crap ton of people who went through the roof about a group/community who wanted to use sharia law for themselves and those freaking out that the sharia law group was going to take over and force their laws on everyone.... We're already seeing the hristian right trying to do just that! And the Christian right tended to be the ones yelling the most!!
mikiemom
by Ruby Member on Aug. 10, 2012 at 10:03 AM

Done and nope nothing gives me pause, I still believe the same. Only things that cause harm should be against the law. - back in the day before Jesus Christ, it was against Jewish law to eat pork. Do you know why? It was because of something called trichinosis, parasites that live in pork flesh that make people sick. That was needed back then because they didn't have technology to know that they were cooking the meat to the point where the parasites were dead. There really is no need for such a law today as we have the ability to cook the meat thoroughly

Quoting asfriend:

Every time you start to post this type of argument, substitute the religion of Government in your head and see if there is anything that gives you pause.

Quoting mikiemom:

Each person individually decides what is and what is not right for them. Much of organized religions so called sins were introduced as ways to CONTROL the population, they aren't really sin or bad.

Quoting wenchmommy381:

If not them, then who? 

I also have a hard time with the fact that it is "the christian church"-- singular. There are hundreds if not thousands of christian denominations, and that is because they do have some significant differences.

I agree that no religious group has the right to legislate against sin. They only have to the right to choose what is without sin in making their own decisions. 

I'm not trying to convince you of anything (you obviously have your opinions set already), but I am trying to show an even-keeled difference of opinion. 

Quoting mikiemom:

But the problem is the christian church doesn't get to decide what is and what isn't a sin. I don't believe in sin, I believe in doing no harm to others period. And sorry but your god doesn't get to define sin either many people don't believe in your god.

Quoting yourspecialkid:

 I guess it all depends on your definition of morality.  I tend to go with the version where all sin is immoral.

 

 

 

 


asfriend
by on Aug. 10, 2012 at 10:03 AM

Since I have indicated that no God tells me this, I can not answer your question.

Can you rephrase the question?

Quoting mikiemom:

I am asking for a real answer from you not the bs of my god tells me it's bad so it is.

What harm will come to you if gay people are allowed to live their lives as loving families?

Quoting asfriend:

You do, or you do not understand that things do not happen in a vacuum?

You can't change parts of society without affecting the whole.

(and I repeat, I don't come from this with any particular religious perspective, other than maybe Karma, myself)

Quoting mikiemom:

But that's just it no-one is forcing you to be gat or participate in gay sexual acts. They are not foricing their morality on you. If you think something is a sin don't do it. Worry about your own soul and stop worrying about everyone else. I fear you are going to be quite surprised in the end.

I do spend time wondering what christians will be reincarnated as in the next life lol - makes me giggle but sadly I know some of my thoughts are dinging my karma.  

Quoting asfriend:

I also don't understand that.
I for one, would luv it if the left would stop doing that.

Quoting mikiemom:

 

 I also don't understand why one groups morals are foisted on the rest of us.

 

 

 

 

 


Lizard_Lina
by Silver Member on Aug. 10, 2012 at 10:03 AM
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Ok, even though I TOTALLY agree that same sex partners should have equal rights, your argument holds no water.
1. Morals are determined by individuals, there is no book of morals to follow, so to say its against morallity is not an argument because to many it is not moral to be gay.
2. They are not actually harmed. Nobody dies or has anything taken away from them by being denied marriage.
3. They can still form families without a marriage license. They can still have children and a home and a normal life without the piece of paper. Lack of marriage does not deny them the ability to live how they want to.

The only differance a marriage license actually makes is the legality end.
A better argument would be, same sex marriage should be allowed because your partner, who shares a life, love, home and finances should be afforded the same benefits as a straight couple doing all the same things.
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Grainia
by Member on Aug. 10, 2012 at 10:03 AM
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wenchmommy381
by Wenchy on Aug. 10, 2012 at 10:04 AM

So is it possible to make all your own decisions as to what is right and wrong, only to have a code of conduct from a particular religion match up? Or could a person be raised in a particular religion and just realize, "hey-- I like all of this!"? Or is it inherent that all religion has made arbitrary rules that no intelligent person could possibly latch on to?

Perhaps discussion-worthy examples would be helpful.

Quoting mikiemom:

Each person individually decides what is and what is not right for them. Much of organized religioun's so called sins were introduced as ways to CONTROL the population, they aren't really sin or bad.

Quoting wenchmommy381:

If not them, then who? 

I also have a hard time with the fact that it is "the christian church"-- singular. There are hundreds if not thousands of christian denominations, and that is because they do have some significant differences.

I agree that no religious group has the right to legislate against sin. They only have to the right to choose what is without sin in making their own decisions. 

I'm not trying to convince you of anything (you obviously have your opinions set already), but I am trying to show an even-keeled difference of opinion. 

Quoting mikiemom:

But the problem is the christian church doesn't get to decide what is and what isn't a sin. I don't believe in sin, I believe in doing no harm to others period. And sorry but your god doesn't get to define sin either many people don't believe in your god.

Quoting yourspecialkid:

 I guess it all depends on your definition of morality.  I tend to go with the version where all sin is immoral.





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mikiemom
by Ruby Member on Aug. 10, 2012 at 10:06 AM

What harm will come to you if gay people are allowed to live their lives as loving families?

What part of that questions has anything to do with any god?

Quoting asfriend:

Since I have indicated that no God tells me this, I can not answer your question.

Can you rephrase the question?

Quoting mikiemom:

I am asking for a real answer from you not the bs of my god tells me it's bad so it is.

What harm will come to you if gay people are allowed to live their lives as loving families?

Quoting asfriend:

You do, or you do not understand that things do not happen in a vacuum?

You can't change parts of society without affecting the whole.

(and I repeat, I don't come from this with any particular religious perspective, other than maybe Karma, myself)

Quoting mikiemom:

But that's just it no-one is forcing you to be gat or participate in gay sexual acts. They are not foricing their morality on you. If you think something is a sin don't do it. Worry about your own soul and stop worrying about everyone else. I fear you are going to be quite surprised in the end.

I do spend time wondering what christians will be reincarnated as in the next life lol - makes me giggle but sadly I know some of my thoughts are dinging my karma.  

Quoting asfriend:

I also don't understand that.
I for one, would luv it if the left would stop doing that.

Quoting mikiemom:

 

 I also don't understand why one groups morals are foisted on the rest of us.

 

 

 

 

 

 


asfriend
by on Aug. 10, 2012 at 10:07 AM
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So why do I never see you posting about over reaching Government, it is much easier to agree with people if they are consistent in their beliefs.

Quoting mikiemom:

Done and nope nothing gives me pause, I still believe the same. Only things that cause harm should be against the law. - back in the day before Jesus Christ, it was against Jewish law to eat pork. Do you know why? It was because of something called trichinosis, parasites that live in pork flesh that make people sick. That was needed back then because they didn't have technology to know that they were cooking the meat to the point where the parasites were dead. There really is no need for such a law today as we have the ability to cook the meat thoroughly

Quoting asfriend:

Every time you start to post this type of argument, substitute the religion of Government in your head and see if there is anything that gives you pause.

Quoting mikiemom:

Each person individually decides what is and what is not right for them. Much of organized religions so called sins were introduced as ways to CONTROL the population, they aren't really sin or bad.

Quoting wenchmommy381:

If not them, then who? 

I also have a hard time with the fact that it is "the christian church"-- singular. There are hundreds if not thousands of christian denominations, and that is because they do have some significant differences.

I agree that no religious group has the right to legislate against sin. They only have to the right to choose what is without sin in making their own decisions. 

I'm not trying to convince you of anything (you obviously have your opinions set already), but I am trying to show an even-keeled difference of opinion. 

Quoting mikiemom:

But the problem is the christian church doesn't get to decide what is and what isn't a sin. I don't believe in sin, I believe in doing no harm to others period. And sorry but your god doesn't get to define sin either many people don't believe in your god.

Quoting yourspecialkid:

 I guess it all depends on your definition of morality.  I tend to go with the version where all sin is immoral.

 

 

 

 

 


Veni.Vidi.Vici.
by on Aug. 10, 2012 at 10:07 AM

Are anti-gay people who aren't actively waging war on gay people immoral?

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