I want to go back to Traditional Marriage

[Sekirei]

You  know, where the license was actually a bill of sale and the wife was the property of the husband..

and the husband could sell the wife if she did not put out, talked to much, tried to teach him...

and beating her was legal, (or beheading.. damn you Henry VIII)

or in some cultures.. the marriage of brother and sister to keep the lineage pure (or cousin to cousin, Uncle to niece...we can see how well that goes, just look at the Hapsburg line..)

As recently as at the late 1800's, early 1900's, there were still reports of men selling their wives (instead of divorce)

and no, these weren't in the Middle East or a third world country. This was in the US and England (I may have to research more though, pretty sure not all were in these two countries.)

So, yeah, I want to go back to traditional marriage!! BOOYAH!

(And before Christianity, there were pagan Sects that held homosexuality in high regard, considering these ones to hold more love and wisdom)

[zildjans_mom]

I will give you a penguin, and a llama to have one of your daughters for my son ;-)

Quoting LucyMom08:

I was going to ask which version, haha...





On that note, I'm still wondering how many farm animals I can get for my 2 daughters...and I definitely want camels...

[momtoscott]

 Uh oh.  I have a son, but we have no facilities to take care of oxen, goats, etc.  I will have to ask my husband what we should do, since obviously I cannot come up with a good idea myself. 

[punky3175]

I'll just keep my daughter with me (we'll be old maids together :-))and hope my son marries well and his wife brings lots of good stuff to the family. :-)

[lizmarie1975]

Quoting OneToughMami:

 And sex...just lay there and plan tomorrow's dinner! It better be fresh!

Quoting lizmarie1975:

That would be different from now...how?

J/P!!!

[Greenstone920]

No sluts either!!  Virgins only!!  Death to the sluts!!

[GLWerth]

I'll give that paper a look.

What you've told me is very interesting. I've read very little about the Maori, but what I have read was fascinating.

Family and marriage customs are so interesting to me, especially since here in the U.S. there are people trying to narrow the definitions so much, instead of trying to promote more stable, if different, kinds of families.

Thanks so much for sharing.

Quoting turtle68:

 Id have to have a look.  Im talking about my native culture which is Maori (native New Zealander) 

I did find this paper written about marriage and customs, it is somebody's paper and reads as such but he mostly got it right.  Here 

My mothers family is from a matriarchal tribe and my fathers tribe which is predominately patriarchal...his mother was the rangatira (chieftain / chief) of that tribe before she died.. Her father had three "wives" my grandmother was highborn as she was a direct descendant of her tribes "greatest' chief. 

My great grandmother had three families...she chose who she wanted to be with and the men helped raise the children....the families did have a hierachy, my grandmother was what was considered  lowborn, because her father was white, even though he had land his standing in the Maori community was nil.

My fathers parents were married because my grandfather was from Yugoslavia and religious...he had to contend with my grandmothers other family and "fit" into the ways of Maori. 

My mother and father married "traditionally" but because of my fathers ancestory...they had to go through some pretty stringent Maori tests.  the main one being the family tree (whakapapa)  Both trees were not allowed to touch for at least three generations...which according to my mother took 4 days to ascertain...then her standing within her tribe was taken into account everything had to be ok'ed by elders of both tribes and then my dads mother had to give her thumbs up (basically becasue of her position in the tribe if she said no...they would never of "married")

There was a lot more to be considerate about and responsible for in these ways....they didnt just boil down to love...it was a partnership that benefited the family as well as the wider community.

Quoting GLWerth:

That sounds like a lot of older cultures before the Western world and the Catholic church got involved.

You're in Australia, right?

I'd be interested in reading more about this. Any links to share? :)

Quoting turtle68:

 although I know you are mocking "traditonal" marriage....its not the same for everyone.

In my culture traditional "marriage" was polygamous.  Everyone was taken care of by the village...not once in our history was your "traditional marriage" a part of mine or my ancestors.  Men and women were equals, both sexes had leverage both bought to the partnership. 

 

 

[mikiemom]

Exactly - oh but this is what many current men want.

[mikiemom]

back in the day - virgin didn't mean never had sex, it meant not owned by a man yet.

Quoting Greenstone920:

No sluts either!!  Virgins only!!  Death to the sluts!!

[Aphrodisiac]

I don't get the point of your post. <Shrugs>

[mikiemom]

wait I have a son - do I pay or get paid - ugh, I don't own any oxen, I think we're screwed.