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Overstepping Their Authority in NYC Banning Lrg Soda's?

Posted by on Sep. 15, 2012 at 7:28 AM
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http://www.registercitizen.com/articles/2012/09/13/news/doc5051fc4416b41631999588.txt


NEW YORK — New York City's Board of Health opened up a new, experimental front in the war on obesity Thursday, passing a rule banning sales of big sodas and other sugary drinks at restaurants, concession stands, and other eateries.

The regulation, which was proposed in the spring by Mayor Michael Bloomberg and approved by panel of health experts after several months of review, puts a 16-ounce size limit on cups and bottles of non-diet soda, sweetened teas, and other calorie-packed beverages.

The ban will apply in fast-food joints, movie houses and Broadway theaters, workplace cafeterias, and most other places selling prepared food.

It doesn't cover beverages sold in supermarkets or most convenience stores.


The restaurant and beverage industries have assailed the plan is misguided. They say the city's health experts are exaggerating the role sugary beverages have played in making Americans fat.

One board member, Dr. Sixto R. Caro, abstained from voting. The other 8 board members voted yes.

"I am still skeptical. . This is not comprehensive enough," Caro said.

Some New Yorkers have also ridiculed the rule as a gross government intrusion and tens of thousands signed a petition, circulated by the industry, voicing their opposition.

The unprecedented regulation would follow other ambitious health moves on Bloomberg's watch.

Some have proven to be national pacesetters, such as making chain restaurants post calorie counts prominently on their menus; McDonald's announced Wednesday that it would start displaying the information nationwide next week, before a federal requirement that could force all major chains to do so next year.

New York City also has barred artificial trans fats from restaurant food and taken aggressive steps to discourage smoking. Starting this month, dozens of city hospitals are asking mothers of newborns to listen to talks about why they should breast-feed instead of using formula.

Bloomberg and other advocates for the soda plan — who include a roster of doctors and such food figures as chef Jamie Oliver — see it as another pioneering step for public health.

They say the proposal strikes at a leading cause of obesity simply by giving people a built-in reason to stop at 16 ounces: 200 calories, if it's a regular Coke, compared to 240 in a 20-ounce size. For someone who drinks a soda a day, the difference amounts to 14,600 calories a year, or the equivalent of 70 Hershey bars, enough to add about four pounds of fat to a person's body.

Beyond the numbers, some doctors and nutrition experts say the proposal starts a conversation that could change attitudes toward overeating. While there are many factors in obesity, "ultimately it does come down to culture, and it comes down to taking some first steps," said Dr. Jeffrey Mechanick, a Mount Sinai School of Medicine professor who has studied the effect of government regulation on the obesity epidemic.

Soda makers and sellers say the plan unfairly singles out soft drinks as culprits for the nation's fat problem, represents an overweening government effort to regulate behavior and is so patchy as to be pointless. Because of the web of who regulates what, it would affect a belly-buster regular soda sold at a sports arena but not a 7-Eleven Big Gulp, for instance.

An average New Yorker goes to the movies about four times per year and buys concessions only twice, said Sun Dee Larson, a spokeswoman for the AMC Theatres chain.

"We firmly believe the choices made during the other 363 days have a much greater impact on public health," she said in a statement.

Thursday's vote is unlikely to be the final word on the proposal.

A soft-drink industry sponsored group called New Yorkers for Beverage Choices — which says it has gathered more than 250,000 signatures on petitions opposing the soda plan — is considering a lawsuit and exploring legislative options for challenging the plan if it passes, spokesman Eliot Hoff said. It's not clear what legislative routes there may be: City Council Speaker Christine Quinn said Wednesday she's not interested in trying to block the expected health board vote, though she has said she isn't a fan of the soda idea.

The rule wouldn't apply to lower-calorie drinks, such as water or diet soda, or to alcoholic beverages or drinks that are more than half milk or 70 percent juice.

Enforcement would be conducted by an existing corps of city restaurant inspectors. A violation would lead to a $200 fine.

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Byrd15
by Member on Sep. 15, 2012 at 7:32 AM
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Heck no!
If I want to buy a large soda it's is my right to do so! I only get to drink soda when I go out, and DH, DS and I all share one when we get a big one.
This is the STUPIDIST law I have ever heard of. Taking away our soda won't stop us from being fat, NOTHING will.
Stop taking away our food and drink like we're little kids!
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emmy526
by Member on Sep. 15, 2012 at 7:36 AM
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can't help but wonder how much revenue this will create for soda companies and what kind of kickbacks the DPH is going to get outta this deal.   People will have to buy another soda if they are still thirsty since they can't get a bigger one now, they have to resort to buying two of them, at twice the price, no less.   

kam013
by Silver Member on Sep. 15, 2012 at 8:24 AM
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First of all, the PEOPLE did not get to vote on this and that is just WRONG in my opinion.  I know we don't get to vote on everything, but this was voted in by a panel of what 9 people who are representing the entire city of New York.  Seriously??

Second, this whole thing is a joke because it does not include COVENIENCE stores who sell one of the worst possible sugery drinks out there, the Slushie.  

So basically you cannot go to Dunkin Donuts or Starbucks and get your 20oz Coolata (or whatever they name it), which is actually where most adults get their beverages, but . . . you can go to 7-11 or Cumberland Farms and get the 20oz Slushie, slurpie or whatever you want to call it, which just happens to be where more kids would be shopping!!  Hmmm, somethings a little wrong with how that works.  

I hope the soda and restaurant industries follow thru with their threats and get this overturned.  Huge infringement on our rights.  We are capable of making our own decisions regarding what we consume and what our children consume.  

kam013
by Silver Member on Sep. 15, 2012 at 8:25 AM


Quoting emmy526:

can't help but wonder how much revenue this will create for soda companies and what kind of kickbacks the DPH is going to get outta this deal.   People will have to buy another soda if they are still thirsty since they can't get a bigger one now, they have to resort to buying two of them, at twice the price, no less.   

but even the soda industry isn't happy about this.  I don't know that it is going to really benefit them at all.  

meriana
by Gold Member on Sep. 15, 2012 at 9:03 AM
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Next will be a limit on how many soda's one can purchase...just as soon as they figure out that because they can't purchase one large soda, they're purchasing two or three small ones.

Donna6503
by Gold Member on Sep. 15, 2012 at 9:08 AM
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It's a dumb law
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NWP
by guerrilla girl on Sep. 15, 2012 at 9:09 AM
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I am sure to get slammed for this, but I am actually OK with this. Our portion sizes have become so large that no one even realizes what an actual food/drink portion actually is. I remember when a 16oz soda was a large. Now, that is the small! It is impossible to find smaller sizes and no one "needs" a 1/2 liter of soda. I don't want to pay nearly half the price of my meal for a soda because there are no options for smaller sizes. I don't want to one share w/DH. We like different drinks. And if you are still thirsty, why not just drink water? It is much better for you. Soda is the primary source of calorie intake in our country and should be a treat, not the primary source of hydration. It isn't like you CAN'T have more soda if you must have it. 

OK...let me have it:)

*Edit* Because I am getting quoted a lot on this...l wanted to add that after a few pages of this post I have altered my thinking a tad...I now think that we inforce the choice of smaller sizes, down to at least 8oz and possibly 4oz for a child,  and leave the giant size on the menu with an extra tax to help pay for health care. If you want that big gulp, help pay for your own disease.

New World Peace

Billiebeth
by on Sep. 15, 2012 at 9:10 AM
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I thought you were for choices about what happens with your body?

Quoting NWP:

I am sure to get slammed for this, but I am actually OK with this. Our portion sizes have become so large that no one even realizes what an actual food/drink portion actually is. I remember when a 16oz soda was a large. Now, that is the small! It is impossible to find smaller sizes and no one "needs" a 1/2 liter of soda. I don't want to pay nearly half the price of my meal for a soda because there are no options for smaller sizes. I don't want to one share w/DH. We like different drinks. And if you are still thirsty, why not just drink water? It is much better for you. Soda is the primary source of calorie intake in our country and should be a treat, not the primary source of hydration. It isn't like you CAN'T have more soda if you must have it. 

OK...let me have it:)



NWP
by guerrilla girl on Sep. 15, 2012 at 9:10 AM
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Water. It does a body good.

Quoting meriana:

Next will be a limit on how many soda's one can purchase...just as soon as they figure out that because they can't purchase one large soda, they're purchasing two or three small ones.


New World Peace

meriana
by Gold Member on Sep. 15, 2012 at 9:13 AM
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Quoting NWP:

Water. It does a body good.

Quoting meriana:

Next will be a limit on how many soda's one can purchase...just as soon as they figure out that because they can't purchase one large soda, they're purchasing two or three small ones.


Yep, water is good. I actually very very very rarely drink soda of any kind. (it tends to make me thirsty) Water though...all the time. Well when I'm not drinking coffee...LOL

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