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CREWS: Homosexuals in the military demand special privileges

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Toleration doesn’t cut both ways

The American armed forces exist to defend our nation, not to conduct social science lab experiments in which our troops serve as human subjects. Try telling that to this administration.

The first anniversary of the repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” Sept. 20, has come and gone. Now, there is mounting evidence that proves our warnings were not idle chatter. The threat to freedom posed by this radical sexual experiment on our military is real: It is grave and it is growing.

Activists inside and outside our government who pushed the repeal have deployed a smoke screen around the fact that once the military was forced to exalt homosexuality in the ranks, the all-too-foreseen consequence reared its ugly head.

Senior military officials have allowed personnel in favor of repeal to speak to media while those who have concerns have been ordered to be silent. Two airmen were publicly harassed in a Post Exchange food court as they were privately discussing their concerns about the impact of repeal. A chaplain was encouraged by military officials to resign his commission unless he could “get in line with the new policy,” demonstrating no tolerance for that chaplain’s religious viewpoint. Another chaplain was threatened with early retirement, and then reassigned to be more “closely supervised” because he had expressed concerns with the policy change, again demonstrating no tolerance for that chaplain’s religious viewpoint.

At an officer training service school, a male serviceman sexually harassed another male serviceman through text messages, emails, phone calls and in-person confrontations. The harassing male insisted the two would “make a great couple.” The harassed serviceman reported the harassment, but the command failed to take disciplinary action.

Service members engaged in homosexual behavior protested a service school’s open-door policy for all students that prohibited the closing of room doors for the purpose of hiding sexual behavior. The protesters claimed that they had a right to participate in sexual behavior with their same-sex roommates.

A senior chaplain was stripped of his authority over the chapel under his charge because, in accordance with federal law, he proclaimed the chapel to be a “sacred space” where marriage ceremonies would only be between one man and one woman.

The Navy has allowed sailors openly engaged in homosexual behavior to choose their bunkmates. Imagine in this new age of “tolerance” if a sailor asked to be moved from a close-quarters berthing area because of his concern about another sailor’s sexual appetites. We already know what would happen, because tolerance has never been a two-way street.

Obviously, the recent “study” (aka propaganda) claiming that the repeal went off without a hitch should be shredded post-haste. It has no connection to reality.

This is just the first wave in the first year of the assault on the constitutionally protected freedom of our service members. Remember, the groups that forced their sexual experiment on the armed forces represent the lesbian, homosexual, bisexual and transgender community. It’s only a matter of time before a man who claims to be transgender demands to be placed with women during training, in the showers and in the barracks. The women in the units will have no recourse, especially if their objection to living, changing, bathing and bunking with a man is based on sincerely held religious beliefs. They would have two choices: Either accept this outrageous imposition silently or be charged with bigotry, hatred, intolerance and every other name the advocates of this agenda can throw at them. Neither choice is acceptable. When “sensitivity training” is in full force, these women just might face discipline and punitive separation merely for speaking up and requesting a reasonable measure of privacy and protection of their religious freedom.

This outrageous social science lab experiment could have been easily prevented. The Chaplain Alliance for Religious Liberty has worked closely with members of Congress to enact legislation, which has already passed the House, to protect freedom of conscience for chaplains and those they serve.

Even more outrageous is that we have to ask Congress to protect freedom of conscience for chaplains and those who serve in the military. The fact that Congress excluded a religious freedom protection amendment (authored in partnership with Alliance Defending Freedom), to the repeal sends a clear message that our current leadership does not consider, much less respect, the constitutional implications of their actions while they bow in allegiance to the powerful and aggressive lobby of those who supported the repeal.

Col. Ron Crews, a retired Army chaplain, is executive director for Chaplain Alliance for Religious Liberty.

by on Oct. 2, 2012 at 7:04 AM
Replies (151-158):
Simmeringhearts
by on Oct. 3, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Making a comment about something doesn't mean I need to debate anything. It is my opinion and frankly, none of anyone's damn business.

Quoting TheStepMonster:

LOL I'm not debating this because I have my own opinion - makes sense to me ;0)

Quoting weezer_cookie:

Ok... Super vague answer.

Quoting Simmeringhearts:

Because I have my own opinion on this subject.


Quoting weezer_cookie:

Why?



Quoting Simmeringhearts:

I am so thankful that my oldest son decided not to go into the Air Force!




Aislinn
by Silver Member on Oct. 3, 2012 at 1:08 PM


Quoting colins_mom:

Sounds like that guy from M*A*S*H

Quoting Aislinn:



Quoting yourspecialkid:

 My dh has a friend who is a base commander.  He has a gay transvestite in his wing.  The guy wanted to wear female uniforms, was denied..then threatened to sue.  They just gave in to avoid the publicity.  The guy is no longer deployable.  IMO, if you aren't deployable..unless it is for a short term thing..you should be discharged.


We knew there would be lots of issues.  No one was listening to those trying to resolve them before the repeal.

 The US Military got suckered on that one, IMO. Instead of shooting yourself to avoid deployment, dress up like a woman. Sounds fishy, that is for sure...lol

 LOL Corporal Klinger was the first thought that crossed my mind.

weezer_cookie
by Bronze Member on Oct. 3, 2012 at 3:29 PM
What's the point in responding then? I thought discussion boards were for just that, discussion. I apologize for being genuinely curious about your opinion. Thank you for your contribution.

Quoting Simmeringhearts:

Let me know when I owe you an explanation. And then, I will give you a super valid answer.


Quoting weezer_cookie:

Ok... Super vague answer.



Quoting Simmeringhearts:

Because I have my own opinion on this subject.



Quoting weezer_cookie:

Why?





Quoting Simmeringhearts:

I am so thankful that my oldest son decided not to go into the Air Force!



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weezer_cookie
by Bronze Member on Oct. 3, 2012 at 3:32 PM
If its no one's business, why even respond to the thread? You're quite confusing.

Quoting Simmeringhearts:

Making a comment about something doesn't mean I need to debate anything. It is my opinion and frankly, none of anyone's damn business.


Quoting TheStepMonster:

LOL I'm not debating this because I have my own opinion - makes sense to me ;0)

Quoting weezer_cookie:

Ok... Super vague answer.



Quoting Simmeringhearts:

Because I have my own opinion on this subject.



Quoting weezer_cookie:

Why?





Quoting Simmeringhearts:

I am so thankful that my oldest son decided not to go into the Air Force!




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afwifey4510
by on Oct. 3, 2012 at 3:40 PM
They aren't being punished for their beliefs ir concerns, they're being punished for going against the military code.

Military members DO NOT have as many freedoms as regular civilians, especially in uniform.


Quoting gsprofval:

Isn't it amazing, but still discriminatory that homosexuals can be protected (and that's ok), but people who believe it is wrong are punished? That's discrimination in the highest form.


I've worked with a military chaplain and he was truly a man of God; he should be allowed to have his beliefs and not be forced to comply with same sex marriage if it goes against his religious beliefs.


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mikiemom
by Ruby Member on Oct. 3, 2012 at 5:26 PM

lol no the story is complete and utter bullshit. A Base Commander doesn't have that kind-of power - they may have had some power back in the day but today there are too many checks and balances, one call to Army IG would stop any of the Bullshit in it's tracks. And frankly, if that is happening, I suggest someone call Army Jag or Army IG immediately and report the commander for improper behavior.

Quoting LauraKW:

Can you see someone in the military threatening their SO with a lawsuit for not allowing them to wear women's uniforms? It's just too ridiculous to believe. A base commander being too afraid of a LAWSUIT to keep his troops in line - I call Shenanigans.

Quoting mikiemom:

and I ask one of the JAG folks here at the pentagon that I see every day at Starbucks if wearing clothes of the opposite sex was protected now that it was ok to be gay in the military and he said absolutely not. This case has nothing to do with being gay and if the commander that this woman claims to know is not handling this correctly he could end up being in trouble.


Quoting LauraKW:


 Transvestite does not equal gay.  Not all transvestites are gay.  Not all gays are transvestites.  If dude wants to wear a female uniform it has nothing to do with being gay and everything to do with being a transvestite.


Quoting yourspecialkid:


 


Quoting mikiemom:


Nope, I don't believe this story, prove it. Wearing the wrong uniform is still not ok, he would still have to comply with uniform regulations for men. In addition, if you are not deployable for a psych or physical reason you are discharged from the military, he would get a general discharge that could be upgraded to an honorable in six months.   I don't care if you believe me or not.  I'm not going to say anything else about this case.  He is not deployable for his own safety..not because he has a psych or physical issue.  FTR, lots of people are not deployable...and don't get discharged.


FYI - transgender is not same as Gay - grow up do some research and learn the difference.   I didn't say he was transgender, I said he was a TRANSVESTITE.  He is gay and likes to wear womens clothing.


Quoting yourspecialkid:



 My dh has a friend who is a base commander.  He has a gay transvestite in his wing.  The guy wanted to wear female uniforms, was denied..then threatened to sue.  They just gave in to avoid the publicity.  The guy is no longer deployable.  IMO, if you aren't deployable..unless it is for a short term thing..you should be discharged.


We knew there would be lots of issues.  No one was listening to those trying to resolve them before the repeal.


 


 


 


 


jehosoba84
by Jenn on Oct. 3, 2012 at 5:35 PM

 "Service members engaged in homosexual behavior protested a service school’s open-door policy for all students that prohibited the closing of room doors for the purpose of hiding sexual behavior. The protesters claimed that they had a right to participate in sexual behavior with their same-sex roommates."

HaHaHaHa!   Someone forgot to tell this dude that you have NO rights once you sign on that dotted line. You are officially property, not a person. And for that matter, noone has any rights to have sex in a military dorm room. This rule applies to all across the board except MARRIED soldiers.

PamR
by Pam on Oct. 3, 2012 at 5:42 PM

Why doesn't he cite any specific incidents?  He's just telling us stuff "he's heard."

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