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CREWS: Homosexuals in the military demand special privileges

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Toleration doesn’t cut both ways

The American armed forces exist to defend our nation, not to conduct social science lab experiments in which our troops serve as human subjects. Try telling that to this administration.

The first anniversary of the repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” Sept. 20, has come and gone. Now, there is mounting evidence that proves our warnings were not idle chatter. The threat to freedom posed by this radical sexual experiment on our military is real: It is grave and it is growing.

Activists inside and outside our government who pushed the repeal have deployed a smoke screen around the fact that once the military was forced to exalt homosexuality in the ranks, the all-too-foreseen consequence reared its ugly head.

Senior military officials have allowed personnel in favor of repeal to speak to media while those who have concerns have been ordered to be silent. Two airmen were publicly harassed in a Post Exchange food court as they were privately discussing their concerns about the impact of repeal. A chaplain was encouraged by military officials to resign his commission unless he could “get in line with the new policy,” demonstrating no tolerance for that chaplain’s religious viewpoint. Another chaplain was threatened with early retirement, and then reassigned to be more “closely supervised” because he had expressed concerns with the policy change, again demonstrating no tolerance for that chaplain’s religious viewpoint.

At an officer training service school, a male serviceman sexually harassed another male serviceman through text messages, emails, phone calls and in-person confrontations. The harassing male insisted the two would “make a great couple.” The harassed serviceman reported the harassment, but the command failed to take disciplinary action.

Service members engaged in homosexual behavior protested a service school’s open-door policy for all students that prohibited the closing of room doors for the purpose of hiding sexual behavior. The protesters claimed that they had a right to participate in sexual behavior with their same-sex roommates.

A senior chaplain was stripped of his authority over the chapel under his charge because, in accordance with federal law, he proclaimed the chapel to be a “sacred space” where marriage ceremonies would only be between one man and one woman.

The Navy has allowed sailors openly engaged in homosexual behavior to choose their bunkmates. Imagine in this new age of “tolerance” if a sailor asked to be moved from a close-quarters berthing area because of his concern about another sailor’s sexual appetites. We already know what would happen, because tolerance has never been a two-way street.

Obviously, the recent “study” (aka propaganda) claiming that the repeal went off without a hitch should be shredded post-haste. It has no connection to reality.

This is just the first wave in the first year of the assault on the constitutionally protected freedom of our service members. Remember, the groups that forced their sexual experiment on the armed forces represent the lesbian, homosexual, bisexual and transgender community. It’s only a matter of time before a man who claims to be transgender demands to be placed with women during training, in the showers and in the barracks. The women in the units will have no recourse, especially if their objection to living, changing, bathing and bunking with a man is based on sincerely held religious beliefs. They would have two choices: Either accept this outrageous imposition silently or be charged with bigotry, hatred, intolerance and every other name the advocates of this agenda can throw at them. Neither choice is acceptable. When “sensitivity training” is in full force, these women just might face discipline and punitive separation merely for speaking up and requesting a reasonable measure of privacy and protection of their religious freedom.

This outrageous social science lab experiment could have been easily prevented. The Chaplain Alliance for Religious Liberty has worked closely with members of Congress to enact legislation, which has already passed the House, to protect freedom of conscience for chaplains and those they serve.

Even more outrageous is that we have to ask Congress to protect freedom of conscience for chaplains and those who serve in the military. The fact that Congress excluded a religious freedom protection amendment (authored in partnership with Alliance Defending Freedom), to the repeal sends a clear message that our current leadership does not consider, much less respect, the constitutional implications of their actions while they bow in allegiance to the powerful and aggressive lobby of those who supported the repeal.

Col. Ron Crews, a retired Army chaplain, is executive director for Chaplain Alliance for Religious Liberty.

by on Oct. 2, 2012 at 7:04 AM
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SilverSterling
by MrsSilverusSnape on Oct. 2, 2012 at 8:35 AM

To the bold and underlined the answer to that is as more and more states are accepting of Gays and Lesbians marrying those same states will give the rights and privileges marriage does.. The Military itself needs to revamp survivor benefits to acknowledge the same sex marriages but i think that is the hope and the point to permitting the clergy to marry everyone equally. Now most of this is an opinion and based on what i know.

Quoting SEEKEROFSHELLS:

 Well a senior chaplain was stripped of his authority over a chapel, and some others were encouraged to resign if they couldn't get on board with the party line.  Seems to me they were still negative towards the part of their flock that was "gay," If you are in the military you have to " echo the party line," That's the way it has always been. Look what happened to the career of General Patton. He was a great military leader, didn't echo the party line, and it affected his career.  I also respect religious men, they have different views. Who am I to come between a chaplain and his " God?" I can't tell a priest or a minister what to believe. I would hope they recognize ALL men as created from God and quit with the discrimination. Focus on the good of the men, instead of what they percieve as sins. I don't understand the issue of marrying gays. If they are not protected by a union in the states how can they expect the military to marry them? Very interesting post and it brings up a lot of questions. 


lga1965
by on Oct. 2, 2012 at 8:38 AM
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Quoting slashteddy:

Go figure. Female service members are raped, harassed, and sexually assaulted every day, but no one in the military cares; let a male harass another male and "It's all the gays' fault!"

 and are we supposed to take his word ,believe that it was "harassment" ? This whole Blog is ridiculous.

RowdyRoxyRainbw
by Gold Member on Oct. 2, 2012 at 8:39 AM
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This is a disgusting article.  We are not deviants.  We are not perverts and we demand to be treated with dignity.  This junk article is inflammatory and you should be ashamed of yourself.  

Aww it must suck having to treat other human beings equal.  Poor pitiful bigots.  I guess they will have to have hate the gay clubs form. lol

Oh wait.. they already do.. It's the conservative party.


RowdyRoxyRainbw
by Gold Member on Oct. 2, 2012 at 8:41 AM
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You are right and I have no doubts it was posted to be imflammatory.

Quoting lga1965:

 

Quoting slashteddy:

Go figure. Female service members are raped, harassed, and sexually assaulted every day, but no one in the military cares; let a male harass another male and "It's all the gays' fault!"

 and are we supposed to take his word ,believe that it was "harassment" ? This whole Blog is ridiculous.


SilverSterling
by MrsSilverusSnape on Oct. 2, 2012 at 8:42 AM

I don't think you are any of those things (however A little Perv and Devi never hurt anyone lol) I am far from perfect but i do try to treat everyone with kindness. When you give kindness you get kindness

Quoting RowdyRoxyRainbw:

This is a disgusting article.  We are not deviants.  We are not perverts and we demand to be treated with dignity.  This junk article is inflammatory and you should be ashamed of yourself.  

Aww it must suck having to treat other human beings equal.  Poor pitiful bigots.  I guess they will have to gave hate the gay clubs form. lol

Oh wait.. they already do.. It's the conservative party.



lwalker270
by Bronze Member on Oct. 2, 2012 at 8:43 AM

I find much of this very hard to believe, but then again, that's why it's an opinion piece based on obviously anecdotal evidence.  

We're supposed to believe that fraternization between men and women is prohibited, but the Navy is allowing openly gay members to choose their bunk mates and engage in sexual relations?  Sure they are.

As far as a command failing to take disciplinary action about alleged sexual harrassment, anyone remember Tailhook?  

Homosexuals have the right to be treated as straight service members are.







The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function.

~ F. Scott Fitzgerald



lga1965
by on Oct. 2, 2012 at 8:46 AM
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Ohyeah? Do you have proof?

I doubt it.

Christians,  clergymen, are usually in charge and force others to do what they want and believe what they want us to believe. We see it all the time. Such as the example from SilverSterling of the mixed race couple in Kentucky. That was due to the church's discrimination and prejudice.

Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:

But they can be forced.

That's the Bullshit.


Quoting SilverSterling:

They aren't forced too preform anything against their beliefs just like churches arent being forced to marry anyone they dont want too No matter how raciest or bigoted they might be (remember the white church that wouldnt marry a black couple who belonged there?)

They are forced to keep their bigoted thoughts to themselves and no longer permitted to voice a hateful hurtful position. They just don't like loosing control.. They bitched when the arm forces were forced (for lack of a better way of putting it) other faiths and beliefs. Some Christians have a problem with not being the center of attention. I think in some cases that is the problem in a nutshell. No one is taking away anyone Beliefs.. You can Believe what ever you want However You can not enforce or force your beliefs on anyone else nor can you act upon your beliefs.

Quoting sweet-a-kins:


This is Bs



Give one example of a church forced to perform or condone gay marriage




 

SEEKEROFSHELLS
by Platinum Member on Oct. 2, 2012 at 8:47 AM
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 Uh Oh! Survivors Benefits! That is SOOOOO important. My mother has been recieving survivor's benefits for years as her late husband was a Col. She has a comfortable life in her retirement. That is a huge benefit gays are not entitled to and it is wrong. They are risking their life for their country. I know more states are letting gays marry. Without protection when a gay spouse dies ( in Texas, way) they cannot claim the body or make funeral arrangements unless the family signs off first. Imagine living with your partner for 20 years and then not being able to put your partner to rest! In civilian life no social security benefits either! We have a long way to go in this country. Thanks for the survivors benefits comment. THAT IS SO IMPORTANT!

Quoting SilverSterling:

To the bold and underlined the answer to that is as more and more states are accepting of Gays and Lesbians marrying those same states will give the rights and privileges marriage does.. The Military itself needs to revamp survivor benefits to acknowledge the same sex marriages but i think that is the hope and the point to permitting the clergy to marry everyone equally. Now most of this is an opinion and based on what i know.

Quoting SEEKEROFSHELLS:

 Well a senior chaplain was stripped of his authority over a chapel, and some others were encouraged to resign if they couldn't get on board with the party line.  Seems to me they were still negative towards the part of their flock that was "gay," If you are in the military you have to " echo the party line," That's the way it has always been. Look what happened to the career of General Patton. He was a great military leader, didn't echo the party line, and it affected his career.  I also respect religious men, they have different views. Who am I to come between a chaplain and his " God?" I can't tell a priest or a minister what to believe. I would hope they recognize ALL men as created from God and quit with the discrimination. Focus on the good of the men, instead of what they percieve as sins. I don't understand the issue of marrying gays. If they are not protected by a union in the states how can they expect the military to marry them? Very interesting post and it brings up a lot of questions. 



ramita
by Member on Oct. 2, 2012 at 8:47 AM
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I agree with ur point. I dont like the way this article is worded but there are a few things in this article that are a cause for concern. If a man is sexually harrasing anyone man or woman they should be punished, and this makes it sound like they're not. And i agree with the point about the transgender thing, its one thing if they allow it but make it to where those that are uncomfortable have other options, but if they just make them shower together then i dont think thats fair to the women. It sounds to me like there are some 'kinks' that need to be straightened out to prevent further issues and problems.


Quoting rfurlongg:

Good point, especially after all the revelations of the Pentagon hiding sexual assaults. Although, women and men, gay and straight, serving in the armed forces should be treated and protected equally.



Quoting slashteddy:

Go figure. Female service members are raped, harassed, and sexually assaulted every day, but no one in the military cares; let a male harass another male and "It's all the gays' fault!"


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SilverSterling
by MrsSilverusSnape on Oct. 2, 2012 at 8:49 AM

I was hoping it would come out right. I wasnt trying to be snarky or mean I was just trying to think of reasons kwim?

Quoting SEEKEROFSHELLS:

 Uh Oh! Survivors Benefits! That is SOOOOO important. My mother has been recieving survivor's benefits for years as her late husband was a Col. She has a comfortable life in her retirement. That is a huge benefit gays are not entitled to and it is wrong. They are risking their life for their country. I know more states are letting gays marry. Without protection when a gay spouse dies ( in Texas, way) they cannot claim the body or make funeral arrangements unless the family signs off first. Imagine living with your partner for 20 years and then not being able to put your partner to rest! In civilian life no social security benefits either! We have a long way to go in this country. Thanks for the survivors benefits comment. THAT IS SO IMPORTANT!

Quoting SilverSterling:

To the bold and underlined the answer to that is as more and more states are accepting of Gays and Lesbians marrying those same states will give the rights and privileges marriage does.. The Military itself needs to revamp survivor benefits to acknowledge the same sex marriages but i think that is the hope and the point to permitting the clergy to marry everyone equally. Now most of this is an opinion and based on what i know.

Quoting SEEKEROFSHELLS:

 Well a senior chaplain was stripped of his authority over a chapel, and some others were encouraged to resign if they couldn't get on board with the party line.  Seems to me they were still negative towards the part of their flock that was "gay," If you are in the military you have to " echo the party line," That's the way it has always been. Look what happened to the career of General Patton. He was a great military leader, didn't echo the party line, and it affected his career.  I also respect religious men, they have different views. Who am I to come between a chaplain and his " God?" I can't tell a priest or a minister what to believe. I would hope they recognize ALL men as created from God and quit with the discrimination. Focus on the good of the men, instead of what they percieve as sins. I don't understand the issue of marrying gays. If they are not protected by a union in the states how can they expect the military to marry them? Very interesting post and it brings up a lot of questions. 




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